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There is no old computer only bad os.
Old but gold.
To be fair you can 100% have a PC that’s too old and/or too low speced to run Linux with certain desktops. For example I personally wouldn’t use a PC with under 8gb of ram today if I wanted to run a modern desktop and Wayland compositors basically require (or soon will) Vulkan 1.0 support (for Nvidia that’s Kepler GK110 or later, AMD GCN 1.1 or later, and Intel Broadwell or later)
The thing about Linux is that you have choice. You can put Xubuntu on a laptop with a Core 2 Duo and 4GB of RAM and it will fly.
You can absolutely keep using older X11 desktops or WMs forever, that doesn’t mean you’re getting the same experience as everyone else on a modern Wayland desktop or WM
There is a world of difference between “not getting the best experience” and “the entire computer is unusable now”.
The main problem is that nowadays a lot of software is JavaScript downloaded when web browsing. And that might just be too demanding for ancient hardware if it was never tested on it.
is anything you can’t do with antix on a pentium 4 even worth doing
Kepler GPU need the 470 proprietary driver. It doesn’t work with current kernels 5.18 and newer. Even with an older kernel, I was unable to get Wayland to work.
Nouveau works with Wayland, but it does Vulkan in software, and had several noticeable visual bugs. I also was unable to get hardware acceleration for video to work even when installing the needed binary firmware. Besides that nouveau‘s feature Matrix is bit lacking.
Also if you have hybrid graphics in a laptop with Intel Iris and NVIDIA for example (OPTIMUS) there are additional issues to figure out.
Other hurdles might be wifi and bluetooth chips from Broadcom for example. You might have to install additional drivers, disable powersaving, and configure other tweaks to get Bluetooth audio and wifi to work properly.
Except if you have an old NVIDIA card. The current kernel doesn’t support the old binary drivers anymore and the nouveau drivers are slow and buggy.
I mean that’s sorta the point of DKMS?
DKMS doesn’t mean it’s supported forever. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA lists incompatibilities with kernel and CPU features.
Kepler and newer GPUs don’t work with Linux kernel 5.18 and newer.
NVIDIA also doesn’t update legacy drivers for newer versions of XOrg and Wayland after support ends.
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/
Of course nothing is supported forever, I personally wouldn’t expect support past a decade (official or unofficial)
Plenty of ten year old machines are still fast enough for most tasks. My old laptop has a quad core i7, 16 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD. It’s a shame it’s losing support.
It sucks but people are starting to realize that you cant support hardware forever, software evolves and older hardware simply doesn’t support certain features. I mean requiring Vukan 1.0 is pretty reasonable yet still it excludes a lot of people.
Will it support a 3090?
I got it working out of the box with bazzite.
Yes, that’s a new card well supported by the proprietary driver. I’m talking about cards older than 5 or 10 years.
The post specifically mentions old computers.
My 1080Ti works out of the box with the bazzite-nvidia image
Yes, Pascal GPUs are supported by the legacy driver 470 and 580.
The current 595 driver doesn’t support your GPU.
Users with hardware that‘s only supported by 470, 390, or 340 have been out luck since Linux 5.18 or earlier.
If things change enough over time, you might lose support for your card as well.
NVIDIA Support for Pascal ends in 2028. Expect things to break two years later.
You don’t need the proprietary one anymore, the open source drivers from nvidia are better
Both me and the wife have had to switch to the proprietary ones for gaming, the other ones were bugging out like hell.
I’ve had a good experience with the open source official ones on an Ampere generation GPU, sorry it didn’t work for yall. I should also say that they’re only available for Turing up if I recall. The other open source ones like nouveau, nova, and NVK are incomplete and for most cards offer a bad gaming experience, so if you have an older card it’s preferable to use the proprietary
I’ll be honest, I missed “from nvidia” in your comment. I thought you meant the “regular” open source ones. We’re both using the 590-open one, since the regular one found in driver manager was trash.
The „open“ NVIDIA drivers don’t support legacy hardware.
You’re right I misread the comment when I responded, mea culpa
you need to jump through small hoops for a 1080 and older.
cards from the 2000 series are supposed to be used with the newer kind of official driver, that’s supposed to be also more stable than the former one. this driver does not support cards before 2000
Talking from experience with a 3090 on ZorinOS (so Ubuntu family so old kernels i think, maybe it’s different on more recent ones), it mostly works. The two main problems i encountered are screen tearing across all games, and the screen sleep mode which didn’t work (but going from Zorin 17 to 18 solved this one, probably bc newer kernels worked best), and other than that it’s been smooth
That would explain some of the issues I was having with VRAM.
Windows killing Wireguard is another name in the coffin for me.
Still need it for Playit Live and Excel VBA but that’s about it now.
Use WinBoat to run 2D applications like Excel. I’m not familiar with Playit Live, but it seems to be the kind of application that WinBoat works well with.
C’est trop meugnon
rip bozo 😂