Steven Crowder’s Nick Fuentes Problem
Crowder has disgraced himself. Change my Mind!
On December 4th 2025, the Christian conservative online personality Steven Crowder live-streamed a video, titled Nick Fuentes Sits Down with Crowder (linked here). For those not in the know, Fuentes voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, defended the January 6th riot in 2021, was Trump’s dinner guest at Mara-Lago in 2022, refused to vote in 2024 (because Trump was pro-Israel and Harris was black), and responded to Trump’s victory over Harris by tweeting “you’re body, my choice. Forever.” I’ve mentioned Fuentes before on my blog, Matitya’s Many Musings on a Myriad of Matters. I’ve said that if, having heard Fuentes’s takes on Jews (and non-whites) “you don’t think that Fuentes is an anti-Semite (and racist) then you’re an idiot.” I stand by that. Because of that, I was hoping that Crowder would have actually pressed Fuentes on the matter rather than following in Tucker Carlson’s footsteps by trying to mainstream him. I was sorely disappointed. I’ll explain why by breaking down what Crowder said in the interview (which itself begins seventeen minutes into the video.) So that what I say is easily verifiable, I’ll tell you the time stamps (as YouTube would show them to you) as I make my points.
20:08, Crowder tells Fuentes he wants people to “hear your views for what they actually are” That implies that he thinks we’ve gotten Fuentes’s views wrong. For the record, we haven’t. I say that as someone who watched the full video of Fuentes (and Andrew Tate and Suleiman Ahmed) debating Destiny, George Santos, and the Krassenstein brothers. Fuentes explicitly says, in that debate, that he hates the American constitution and way of life due to regarding “Americanism” as a heresy, that he wants all non-Christians legally banned from every government office, elected or appointed, on every level, and that he loves Hitler. In that same debate, Fuentes claims that his infamous declaration that only a few thousand Jews died in the Holocaust was meant sardonically (not sincerely.) Destiny responds by asking Fuentes how many Jews he thinks died in the Holocaust and Fuentes doesn’t answer. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why. If Fuentes had said he believed millions of Jews died in the Holocaust, he’d have alienated his Holocaust denier fans and if he had said that only a few thousand Jews had died in the Holocaust, he’d have torpedoed his “I’m an irony bro” defence for his Holocaust denial.
21:42, Crowder asks “do you hate all Jewish people?” Crowder clearly knew Fuentes’s answer was going to be “no”. The real question was how to reconcile that “no” with Fuentes’s remarks about Jews. Crowder doesn’t bother to ask that question.
26:35, Fuentes complains that Ben Shapiro called him an anti-Semite. Crowder doesn’t point out Fuentes’s constant efforts to vindicate Shapiro’s judgement.
29:50, Crowder asks Fuentes if Shapiro said that before or after being harassed online by “Groypers”. Fuentes claims that it was before as the Groypers didn’t yet exist in December of 2016. That’s semantic trickery. They existed already but didn’t yet call themselves the Groypers. They called themselves the Alt-Right. By November of 2016, Shapiro was already the number one target of online anti-Semitic death threats amongst journalists in the United States and those threats disproportionately came from the Alt-Right. Crowder interviewed Shapiro about it at the time such that he should know. Crowder interestingly doesn’t bring this up.
31:50–33:41, Crowder and Fuentes criticise Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire together. Crowder misrepresents the non-binding term sheet the Daily Wire sent him to use as the basis for contract negotiations (and on which he refused to red line anything) as a binding contract.
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38:12, Crowder praises Fuentes for being “America First” and asks him what he loves most about America. That’s as pathetic as asking Karl Marx ‘you love poor people. What makes you so supportive of the rights of the working class’ instead of asking him “why do you want to kill the rich?”
42:54, Crowder says he’d disagree with Fuentes’s policy proposals “if it goes towards a theocracy, which I know you’ve discussed” I’ll give Crowder some leeway here, since he said he’d disagree with it, but Fuentes hasn’t merely discussed theocracy. He has endorsed it.
1:15:37, Crowder pushes back on Fuentes for having refused to vote for Trump, in 2024. As a result, Crowder and Fuentes debate this topic. Crowder essentially posits that they should be willing to vote for whomever the Republicans nominate because the Democrats are bad. Fuentes essentially posits that that would give carte blanche to the Republicans to do whatever they wish without risk of ever being held accountable for bad policy. This is the sole thing Crowder grilled Fuentes about in the interview.
1:45:15, Crowder boasts that people will criticise him for interviewing Fuentes. For the record, the issue is less that he’s talking to Fuentes than that he’s ignoring Fuentes’s bigotry.
1:56:27, Crowder criticises Coleman Hughes and Bari Weiss for calling out Fuentes. He insinuates that Hughes and Weiss wanted to discredit Rumble (which hosts Fuentes’s shows) to discredit alternative media and create a monopoly. By questioning Hughes’s motives, Crowder creates an excuse not to take Hughes’s argument seriously. Hughes posits that Fuentes, on his own show, says what he really believes but that he presents himself to interviewers as someone with defensible heterodox ideas. For the record, Hughes is right. Fuentes explicitly admitted, during his debate with Destiny, the Krassensteins, and Santos, that he hates the American constitution due to regarding Americanism as heresy. Yet early in this Crowder interview, Fuentes claims to love the Founding Fathers for what they created. Crowder either didn’t notice that contradiction (in which case he hasn’t done enough research for the interview) or he didn’t care, (in which case he’s being intellectually dishonest).
2:15:38–2:15:40, Crowder says he doesn’t fully agree with everything Fuentes says about “juifs” (French for Jews). For the record, even though he didn’t say them in this interview, Fuentes says things like “Jews can’t be in power” and that Hitler was really cool. That deserves more than an ‘I don’t fully agree.’ If someone were to say a whole slew of reasonable (or defensible) things and then said ‘and I believe human vivisection should be a common practice’ then vivisection should become the focus. And no, I’m not accusing Fuentes of advocating vivisection, I’m using an analogy to demonstrate why Fuentes’s opinion on the “JQ” (Jewish Question) shouldn’t have been a passing afterthought.
If you think, I’m being even remotely unfair to Crowder, go to his video and put in the time stamps I gave you. He says everything I said he said and in the manner in which I said he said it. Having watched the full interview, I can say, with conviction, that Crowder spent almost the entirety of it being extremely sycophantic towards Fuentes. Crowder has utterly disgraced himself by conducting it.
My name is Matitya and this has been one of my Miscellaneous Musings.
