Another, Too Long Response
This is another response that got too long. It’s the culmination of an interaction with Brad Flutey here:
Started with this article:
I’ve only posted his responses as mine are attached to his as is Medium’s way and you can see the back and forth which culminated in the longer responnse below. I’m not sure why I got into it so far with him, it started feeling like a Twitter war, or Facebook feud, which I’m sure is not what Medium wishes it’s pages to devolve to. Hopefully, this will be the last response type story I publish, and also hopefully I won’t get kicked off the platform for it.
If you’re a fan of Crowder, that’s all I really need to know.
Maybe I’ll touch bases again with you in a few years, after you’ve grown some. Probably not, though. You should try to get out of the conspiracy echo-chamber bubble you’ve ensconced yourself in, and realize not everything happens because some dark forces conspired to visit nefarious schemes on an unsuspecting or even complicit populace. Y’know like they found out in Georgia after they did the audit you called for.
People don’t always act the way they should and will vote against their best interests a hell of a lot of the time. If they didn’t, it’d be Bernie haggling with the Trumpathon now.
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If you want to look at real voter fraud you should pay attention to the corruption that’s perpetrated by conservative Republicans (yes, that’s redundant) in broad daylight every time state legislatures convene where they have a majority. It’s called gerrymandering, and yeah, it’s a thing.
Now if you’re talking about establishment Democrat elitists rigging the primary for Smokin’ Joe, I’d have to agree with you there, but it wasn’t through voter fraud. Are you saying they rigged the General Election against Trump so the true radical left couldn’t pull off their great revolution? Cry me a river. That glorious conflict of the mind would never gain traction, as you’d have the right, the alt-right, moderates, and the sane left as well as corporatist liberals all arrayed against the violence-in-the-streets types who say they want change, but are really only the mirror image of the radical right. Lusting after and seeking the privilege, wealth, and power they think is their due from the other side of the political spectrum.
Oh, and you might want to stop being the lazy kind of debater who sloughs off calls to cite facts and evidence with it’s all there on the internet to look up, (since everything on the internet is the gods-blessed truth), and I don’t have time to educate you low-intelligence, low-inquiry individuals on the truths I’ve found.
If you have time to be trolling people like me, you have time to post links, if there are any. My guess is you don’t want to, because you’ve already had experiences of people laughing in your face at the ludicrous quality of the facts you’ve uncovered. I’m more concerned, though that people like Crowder have fed you these facts, and you’ve swallowed their bullshit — hook, line, and sinker — because they provide a comforting distraction away from the real work that needs to be done to rescue this nation and make it truly great, but not again.
News flash, there has never been a time period that this country has been in existence, where it has been great for anyone other than the majority white colonialists who formed it and populated it with their descendants. Or those who bought into that vision of success and power, only to find their were definite limits where they weren’t allowed.
And stop being disingenuous, of course you meant to be offensive, your entire interaction with me has been nothing but a series of diatribes, with veiled name-calling and specious references to my intelligence, as I’ve already pointed out.
And, yes, you do see legal citizenship as holy, otherwise you wouldn’t be defending it so vociferously. And here I’m going to be deliberately offensive, and say if you’d pull your head out of your ass, you’d realize there is nothing sacred about being legally American. All those who call themselves that conveniently forget that they reached that status through the labor and suffering of countless others, in the same colonialist, slave-holding way that their European ancestors did before them. That there is not a single Caucasian who lives here who can claim native roots. That the America that got built did so by the fraud of imposing a completely foreign system of interaction with the environment and resources on the inhabitants who already lived here, and justified it as their manifest destiny.
You also seem to forget that the reason people come here to work and live is because they so desperately want to be American, despite the pitfalls, the bigotry, and yes, the racism. They want to live that American Dream, and that’s how they’ll vote. Is that what you’re worried about? Too many will buy into the capitalist way so championed by neo-liberals, corporatists, and conservatives across the breadth of this nation? You worried that progressive voter schemes will actually backfire?
So you say it’s my consciousness that’s screwing everything up? My consciousness wasn’t exposed for the complete house of cards that legal American institutions and the societal framework they’re built upon are, by the installation of an inept, narcissistic demagogue as the national leader. Someone who, thank the goddess, really couldn’t get out of his own way if he actually did want to seize power. We have only dodged the bullet because he was so incompetent at getting himself re-elected, and still managed to convince 73 million people to vote to continue the shit-show of 2020 for four more years.
Here’s something to mull over while you start on what I want you to do before I will interact with you again. Consider that what it means to be American, the root of the greatness that should have been the status to return to, is the utter commitment to a set of great ideals. Ones that really hadn’t been tried before.
Freedom. Justice. Equality. Being American is a concept, not a matter of the ground you stand on, or hold a piece of plastic that legally attests to.
So, yeah, come back and see me in a couple of years when you’ve experienced a little more of the world, have perhaps grown a bit of empathy and compassion, and expanded enough intellectually that you can see through conspiracies for the hollow arguments they are. Maybe I’l still be alive then, since I’m getting up there in age.
If I am, as before, I’ll wait.
