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I commented on their meme about Kamala Harris being just as likely to commit war crimes as Trump with an admittedly snarky, sarcastic reply that basically said “some of us wanted to whatever we could, as little as it might be, instead of watching the world burn. Must feel real morally superior safe behind that keyboard”
They banned me from the community for it.
Kinda funny for a community that bills itself as “free from the influence of .ml”
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The community is advertised in its description as socialist. It makes no mention of anarchists. It is unreasonable to expect people to check the mods and servers ideology before commenting (not even posting…*commenting*). I’m not debating the right to kick me out. I’m calling the approach asinine for its lack of transparency and false equivalency.
The fact that you are so insistent on implying that supporting elections is antithetical to modern socialism is indicative of how disingenuous your argument is. You’re anarchists, and that’s fine. But please don’t pretend like all socialists, as a rule, reject the idea of elections, or that even most socialists are anarchists. It’s just lying with extra steps.
You seem confused. Electoralism and elections are two entirely different concepts.
Most leftists are against electoralism in general, because it only provides the illusion of democracy and hoodwinks the population into believing they live in a democracy, when in fact, the same rich assholes run the country no matter who is elected. That’s we push back against folks who seem to believe blaming leftists for the abject campaign/policy failures of the Dems is the best way to win an election. They literally lost to a pedophile rapist. That should tell you how popular their policies are.
The vast majority of leftists DO vote, but we are much more realistic about the likelihood of our votes bringing about any meaningful change to the status quo. But we 100% don’t want to be lectured by the electoralist Dems about how somehow it’s our fault Trump won, just because we aren’t on the bandwagon cheerleading for pro-genocide prosecutor Harris instead of pro-genocide Trump.
If they ever gave us a candidate who actually stands for the people, and not for CEOs, then leftists might warm to the Dems again. But the sad truth is the Dems are more unpopular then ever, because they have learned nothing from their own abject failures.
What people want is real change. All the Dems are offering is a return to the status quo. E.g., Did you know that more people were rounded up and deported under Obama’s first administration than under Trump?
Obama’s First Administration (2009-2012)
Trump’s Second Administration (January-June 2025)
I see. Then you’ve completely misunderstood me from the beginning, because I have never once promoted or supported the intentional misleading of the public into the belief that their votes are more effective than they actually are.
You may think my statements amount to that, but you’d still be misunderstanding.
My only point has been that many people believed that the Democratic candidate for president would have been less likely - not even unlikely, just less - to be involved in the kinds of war crimes Trump has been. And vilifying those people for choosing to vote and continuing to believe in the righteousness of that vote is a position of shameless moral superiority that is antithetical to socialist goals, as it places the onus on the rest of your class bretheren who tried their best in a shitty situation, instead of on the actual electoralists. By poking your fingers in the eyes of those who voted Democrat and continue to believe they did the right thing, you are doing exactly what the oligarchs hope: you’re dragging down other workers instead of doing literally anything constructive to change it. You just blame others and meme on them. The phony moral superiority is gross.
Like, for fuck sake man, I don’t even like the Democrats. I caucused for Bernie and got in huge fights with family over how that shit went down. But I still wound up voting for the Democratic candidate because I’m not gonna watch my trans friends get murdered and say “sorry, I could’ve actually voted against this, but then I’d just be supporting a broken system”
And to compare Obama’s administration to Trump’s is a joke, honestly disgusting. You cannot honestly be trying to say that what we’re seeing with ICE is not 1000x worse. You’re also falling for a well understood trap in this dataset: Bush put in place the systems that ran wild without oversight during Obama’s first term, which were then addressed (and why it went down in his second term), and the Obama administration changed how deportations were defined so as not to hide the actual numbers - they increased transparency and stopped using bullshit terms like voluntary returns to the hide the numbers. So yeah, the numbers went up when he literally exposed the problem of misreporting and then went on to make it better in his second term.
You are literally giving Obama credit for Bush’s mistakes, and giving a Trump credit for Obama and Biden’s improvements while he’s actively making it worse again. it’s fuckin gross
That’s not your only point. But regardless, that’s nothing more than conjecture. I don’t think they’d have stopped providing cash or weapons to Israel. Germany hasn’t either. Would Harris have abducted Maduro or bombed Iran? I have no idea, but probably not. Wouldn’t surprise me if she bombed some other country though, and we might be at war with Russia by now instead of Iran. So it’s pretty hard to form an opinion either way on which foreign policy would have been worse.
I really feel like every accusation is a confession with you. Leftists are constantly being excoriated by Dems for not cheerleading for law-and-order-corporate-stooge Harris, though I’d be astounded if leftists didn’t vote for her in significant numbers, despite the fact they had to hold their noses while doing so. The fact is the Dems have slowly destroyed their mainstream base by putting profits before people far too many times.
And to be clear, I don’t, as a rule, vilify people who vote. I see no harm in it. Go for it. Whatever. I vote too.
Your argument doesn’t hold any water. Obama’s numbers kept going up every single year under his first term. He had 4 years to turn that situation around. It’s simply too convenient to suggest that it took 4 years before he could make any changes, and then it was thanks to Obama that deportations under Trump actually went down? What is this, topsy turvy land?
Perhaps Obama was too busy making sure he authorized more bombings and targeted assassinations than any other president in history? Or was that Bush’s fault too?
Edit: No, he didn’t even have that excuse, because he ramped up the bombing in his second term.
You say these things as if I don’t think they’re all horrible statistics. The world we live in sucks and it can get better. I’m just not here for the meme in that OP, because it vilifies people trying their best with positive intent - the voters, not the candidates - and when I made my disagreement with it known, got banned for being rude to the anarchist mod.
We’ve gotten way off topic. I’m fully on board with a bunch of people in government being horrible leaders, including people like Obama and Harris. But that isn’t what the meme was about.
"You cannot honestly be trying to say that what we’re seeing with ICE is not 1000x worse."
it's like 3x-5x
you’re right, I was being hyperbolic