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00:00It wasn't my decision.
00:10Then whose was it?
00:11The DS.
00:12Karen?
00:13Look, Joe, we've had a series of attacks on women in Middlesbrough
00:16and there's been attacks in Hartlepool.
00:18So why are you bringing Beth Webster in?
00:20Not me, the DS.
00:23Webster's been working with the Hartlepool team.
00:25Oh, and she spotted a link.
00:27And is this OK with you?
00:28I just want the bastard caught.
00:31But why Beth Webster?
00:32Because she's a forensic psychologist.
00:35And what the bloody hell do you think I am?
00:36A brickie?
00:38The Recall Man.
00:40Stepping Out.
00:41By David Natfine.
00:43With Jeremy Swift as Dr Joe Astor.
00:47So why do you want to talk to me?
00:48Because I need to talk to someone about the case.
00:51Oh, and any port in a stall.
00:52Oh, come on, Joe.
00:54Beth Webster's a top offender profiler.
00:57Is that right?
00:58And you're a specialist in memory.
01:00You keep telling us.
01:02I want a relaxing drink with someone I like who's not involved with a case.
01:06Because I thought I was doing all right, you know.
01:09But others think different.
01:11So what's happened?
01:12Two women have been seriously assaulted and robbed on our patch.
01:17Last night there was another assault but no robbery.
01:20We're also dealing with a rape.
01:22In Hartlepool there's been a rape and two serious assaults on women.
01:25In the rape cases there's a DNA match so it's the same man but there's no DNA from the assaults.
01:31So you've got a rapist and some muggers.
01:35Webster thinks that one man's responsible for all the Hartlepool incidents.
01:39And because of the DNA match with our rape cases he may well be responsible for ours.
01:44According to Wonder Woman.
01:45We'll find out when she arrives tomorrow morning.
01:48That's something to look forward to.
01:50Do you want another?
01:51No, thanks.
01:52There was me going to ask you about my future here but there's no need to now, is there?
01:56Isn't there?
01:57I know there's going to be a review.
01:59That's the first I've heard.
02:01Next week.
02:03I only found out from the DS this afternoon.
02:05Would that be at the same time she told you about Webster?
02:08A review is standard practice.
02:10You'll get a memo.
02:11If you want your contract renewed you'd better get your files in order and be ready to talk about your cases.
02:16And this is so you can let me down gently, eh?
02:18Are you listening?
02:20I'm trying to help you.
02:22Drop what you're doing and concentrate on this.
02:25Prepare a presentation, put your case and make it good.
02:28I want you to stay.
02:30But not to work with you on this case?
02:32If I thought you could help I would have done.
02:34But it's alright to talk to me now.
02:35I may as well go.
02:37Alright Anna, I'm sorry.
02:38But you can see my point.
02:40You think you've a certain role, then someone's brought in over your head.
02:44How would you feel?
02:45The same as you, right?
02:49What's worse is the feeling that I'm missing something.
02:52What?
02:53If I knew that I wouldn't be missing it, would I?
02:56Are you sure you don't want another drink?
03:00If it's the same man, why wasn't every victim raped?
03:04Precisely.
03:05Is there any other forensic?
03:06Some, but it's like the DNA.
03:07There's no one to match it to.
03:10All this info and it means nothing.
03:12And Beth will bring in more info and more theories.
03:14She could also crack the case open for us.
03:17Come on, she's very good.
03:18I know, I've read her book.
03:20She tells you how good she is in every chapter.
03:22I'm just suspicious of patterns.
03:24You look for patterns.
03:25No, sometimes they emerge.
03:27But it's always dangerous to predict the future from the past.
03:30That's what Geoff thinks.
03:31He says we're always looking for patterns when nasty bastards are just nasty bastards.
03:36And nasty bastards are all over the place and do what they want when they want.
03:40If you want any help...
03:41You've got a review to prepare for.
03:43I know.
03:44And I'm not sure how the super would take the two of you on the case.
03:47Make it unofficial.
03:49You can't talk to victims unofficially.
03:51I don't want to talk to the victims.
03:53And who you're going to work with?
03:54You.
03:55Me?
03:55When you've got to the crime scene, you'll have taken everything in.
03:58But you can't recall everything you saw.
04:00And that gap could be the something that you think you're missing.
04:03Or it could be somewhere else.
04:05Of course it could, but it's still worth trying.
04:07We could start tomorrow.
04:08Webster's arriving tomorrow.
04:10Tomorrow night, we can give our livers a rest.
04:13Huh?
04:13Let me think about it.
04:15Well, you'll need another drink to do that.
04:18Make it a double.
04:19Will I get to meet you, Wonder Woman?
04:20I should think so.
04:22She's sharing your office.
04:25The style and speed of the attack suggests a fit young man skilled in martial arts.
04:42A hard and fast kick to the back floors the victim
04:45and is followed by kicks and punches to the front side and back of the victim.
04:49As you can see from the diagrams and reports,
04:51the victim's injuries in all cases are remarkably similar.
04:54The attacker wears clothes that will give freedom of movement to attack
04:57and leave the scene quickly and anonymously.
05:00The most obvious clothes are a tracksuit and trainers.
05:03We've visited all the martial arts clubs
05:04and there have been extensive door-to-door inquiries, yellow boards and so on.
05:08I'm sure you've been as thorough as the Hartlepool team.
05:10The profile suggests some complexity.
05:13Attacks like these run counter to the philosophy of martial arts
05:16that could indicate a personality at odds with itself.
05:19A deep-seated anger which he's concealed from those around him.
05:23He'll live locally, or at least have an extensive knowledge of the area.
05:26He'll have a criminal record, but not for offences like these.
05:30Most likely the usual juvenile escapades.
05:33A loner, but not lonely.
05:34He will have joined clubs and there may be a pattern of joining in and suddenly leaving.
05:39What if the last victim reveals different DNA?
05:41We reassess where we are.
05:44Sorry, I didn't realise there was anybody in.
05:46Joe, this is Dr Webster.
05:47Of course. Joe Aston, forensic psychologist.
05:50Oh, really?
05:51Joe specialises in recall work, Beth.
05:53Dealing with victims who've lost their memory and suspects who hope they have.
05:57A valuable member of the team.
05:58But not this team.
06:00I'm sorry, Dr Aston, but I'm not familiar with what you do.
06:03That's because I've not written a book.
06:05I'm sure you will.
06:06And thank you for sharing your office, Dr Aston.
06:08Call me Joe. Everyone else does.
06:11Hopefully I won't be here for too long.
06:13Have you nearly solved it, then?
06:14Do you need to be in here, Joe?
06:16Yes, Anne.
06:17Now I've had the memo, I need to go through the files to make sure I've spelt competencies
06:21and evaluation rights.
06:24Are we still meeting later?
06:26Of course.
06:27Good.
06:28I'll try not to disturb you again, Beth.
06:30It's your office as well.
06:32It's a shame we're not working together.
06:34Now, that would be interesting.
06:36Until later.
06:40Is Joe around a lot?
06:41He'll be discreet.
06:43And I'm sure you'll have a lot in common.
06:45You never know.
06:47We need to move fast.
06:49I want to visit each location, and you'll need to revisit the martial arts places in the
06:53light of the profile.
06:53I'll tell DC Patton.
06:55Good.
06:56Then I'll read the victim's statements, witness statements, if any.
06:58I'll read it.
06:59I'll read it.
06:59John Wakes was mugged at the bottom of that footbridge.
07:07On the other side is a pub.
07:08It seems likely that the attacker followed her across the bridge and jumped her as she
07:12reached the bottom steps.
07:13And this was the first attack?
07:15On the 23rd of January.
07:17John lives in that house there.
07:19She hasn't been out since, not even to go into town in daylight.
07:23All these houses are not one witness.
07:25When you come over that footbridge, you're not going to be seen from the houses, and it's
07:29a cul-de-sac, so there's no passing traffic.
07:31Except from the motorway.
07:33Yeah, I couldn't live with that noise.
07:35Could she give any description of the attacker?
07:36She thought it was a young Asian male.
07:39Did she mention any smell of alcohol?
07:41Because of the pub?
07:42No.
07:43And we talked to the landlord, but nothing.
07:45There's not much light.
07:48When you arrived, you parked the car here?
07:50Yeah.
07:54March 2nd, Oldham Road.
07:56Scene of the attack on Joan Wakes.
07:5822.35.
08:00Approximately the time at which Joan was attacked.
08:02I thought this was unofficial.
08:04It is, but I need to keep track of what I've recorded and what I've seen.
08:07Can you describe what you saw as the car pulled up?
08:10It's in the report.
08:11I want you to tell me.
08:13The ambulance was parked over there next to a police car.
08:16Blue lights were flashing.
08:18Another police car pulled up.
08:19There were people around.
08:20What people?
08:21You know, neighbours.
08:23People on the footbridge.
08:25They'd seen the blue lights, heard the commotion, and wanted to see.
08:28The paramedics were seen to Joan.
08:30You saw this from the car?
08:31Yeah.
08:31And them?
08:32We got out of the car and walked over to Joan.
08:35Who's we?
08:35Me and Jeff.
08:36Come on, then.
08:41Did you run or walk?
08:42I walked fast.
08:45As you were walking, what did you see?
08:47Pretty old, Joe.
08:48I was just looking where I was going.
08:49But what did you see?
08:51House lights.
08:52Garden fences.
08:53Doors open.
08:55You could hear televisions.
08:56There were people around.
08:58Where?
08:59In the gardens.
09:00Standing on the pavement.
09:01Some on the bridge.
09:05I knelt by Joan.
09:06She was conscious, but bleeding.
09:09And moaning.
09:10She'd hit her head on the railings as she fell.
09:13She kept saying she wanted a handbag, but it wasn't there.
09:16A husband limped over.
09:18He had a stick and wore carpet slippers.
09:20He was shaking.
09:22Can you remember what was on the pavement?
09:23I don't know.
09:24I don't know.
09:25Litter, cans, paper, broken glass.
09:27Did you talk to any of the onlookers?
09:29Jeff and a couple of uniforms did,
09:31to find out if they'd seen anything and send them on the way.
09:36And the ambulance has gone and the onlookers are gone.
09:39It all goes quiet.
09:40It's as if nothing has happened.
09:42All that's left is a memory.
09:44That's not a lot of use.
09:45And forensic evidence.
09:47That's not a lot of use either.
09:50Can we go?
09:52I want to take photographs.
09:53You can sit in the car if you want.
09:55I want me long.
10:09Here?
10:10Yeah.
10:11It's very different to where Joan Wex was attacked.
10:13All the locations are different.
10:15Some are comparatively well lit, others are in semi-darkness.
10:18Some are near houses, some aren't.
10:21The victim here was Kim Saunders,
10:23a 32-year-old married woman with three kids.
10:26She was raped.
10:27Here?
10:29It's a busy road.
10:30Nobody saw anything.
10:32We pulled the stops out.
10:34What does Beth say?
10:35Apart from the Bruce Lee connection, not a lot.
10:38But she's very focused.
10:39Aren't we all?
10:40March 2nd, Acklem Road.
10:42Scene of the attack on Kim Saunders, 23.38pm.
10:46Approximately the time at which Kim was raped.
10:49Where was Kim Saunders when you arrived?
10:52Yeah.
10:53You were the first officer on the scene?
10:54Yeah.
10:55Describe Kim.
10:57Bruised, shocked, clothes torn, dried blood by the mouth.
11:01She had a coat around her, a man's overcoat, dark blue.
11:04It belonged to the priest who was with her.
11:06He dialed 999.
11:08Describe the priest.
11:09Oh, come on.
11:10You're not suggesting...
11:10Describe the priest.
11:12It's all dark and handsome.
11:14I'm not joking.
11:16Well spoken.
11:18He was wearing his frock.
11:19He'd not seen anything.
11:20He was crouched beside her.
11:22Then the ambulance arrived.
11:24Did you talk to Kim?
11:25No.
11:26I radioed through to get the victim suite prepared.
11:28Describe Kim.
11:30I have.
11:30She was just staring.
11:35At what?
11:36Something we couldn't see.
11:38In which direction?
11:40Across the street.
11:42The priest described her as shot to pieces, but that means nothing.
11:45Nothing at all.
11:46Where did the rape take place?
11:48She was dragged into those bushes.
11:50Yes.
11:50Still, I'm surprised nobody saw anything.
11:53Forensic found fibres on a branch, but with no match.
11:56She felt safe walking down here.
11:59When I get that bastard...
12:00What I'd like you to do, and...
12:02Oh, I'm tired, Joe.
12:03Yeah, we'll just do this, and then we'll finish.
12:06Close your eyes, and take yourself back to that night.
12:11Slowly look around the scene.
12:14Now, what can you see?
12:17A woman and a man, leaning on a gate, just looking.
12:22Middle-aged.
12:24Smoking.
12:26Across the road, a group of lads.
12:29There were lights from the Chinese.
12:31How many lads?
12:32Don't know.
12:33They aren't all lads, they're girls.
12:35I'm thinking, if they knew what had happened, what would they say?
12:39Some of them are drinking from bottles.
12:41A uniform walks over to them, and they bugger off.
12:46Jeff's talking to the priest as Kim is taken away.
12:50A couple have come out of the Chinese.
12:52Describe them.
12:53Ordinary.
12:55Casual clothes.
12:57She's wearing a padded jacket, he's wearing a borrow football shirt.
13:01Have to be a borrow around here.
13:03They look across, then go.
13:06A man comes out.
13:07Describe him.
13:07Sporty type gear.
13:10Dark skin, dark tracksuit, dark rucksack.
13:14He looks across.
13:16He stops and looks across.
13:18He keeps looking.
13:19Now he jogs away.
13:21It's faster than a jog.
13:23He's fit, very fit.
13:24Moves like an athlete.
13:25In which direction?
13:27Towards Ayrsum.
13:28He's fast.
13:29He gets faster.
13:31Why does he stop and look across?
13:33When did he stop?
13:34He comes out the Chinese, stops, looks across for a long time.
13:38Why?
13:39Now he jogs away.
13:41He's running.
13:43You stupid cow.
13:45What?
13:45The fibres.
13:47They came from a dark tracksuit.
13:49Describe what the other people are wearing.
13:51Back in a minute.
14:10And have you always worked in this area?
14:13Forensic psychology.
14:14Middlesbrough.
14:16No.
14:17No, not at all.
14:18So where were you before?
14:20Some teaching, some research.
14:22Oh, published?
14:23Oh, yeah.
14:24So did CID invite you to join them?
14:27Someone heard me speak at a conference,
14:30and then I met the assistant chief constable,
14:32and we got chatting, and...
14:34Well, you know.
14:35Unless I grew up round here.
14:36Very cosy.
14:41I'm intrigued by arrangement of data, Dr Webster.
14:44These words on the board, they're from the witness statements.
14:46Sometimes a victim says something that they don't realise the importance of.
14:50But you colour-coded them.
14:51That's my own system.
14:53I'm fascinated.
14:54I arrange victim profiles, pictorial descriptions of the attackers, maps, etc.
14:59All sketches of a potential attacker?
15:01They're sketches that I made,
15:03based on descriptions from two of the Hartlepool victims.
15:06So which one is it, then?
15:08It's a technique I use to get into the mind of the attacker.
15:11And the photos?
15:12Of the locations.
15:14Which ones?
15:14These are Hartlepool, and these are Middlesbrough.
15:18And this one, it seems very public.
15:20It is.
15:20But here...
15:21Oldham Road.
15:22It isn't.
15:25So you think this is all the same guy?
15:28Joe, I really am very busy.
15:30Of course.
15:31Look, do you fancy a drink later?
15:32I don't when I'm working, but once we've caught him, yes.
15:35And that might be sooner rather than later, if Anne's right.
15:38About what?
15:39Oh, haven't you heard?
15:40There's been a breakthrough.
15:41I'm busy, Joe.
15:47What the bloody hell is this?
15:48We're looking for a suspect.
15:50Based on what?
15:51Five best found where Kim was raped.
15:53Beth's profile, John's description.
15:54Our recall work last night.
15:56Did Kim describe an Asian male?
15:58Did the Hartlepool victims?
15:59Have you seen them in there?
16:00They're energised because they feel they're getting something.
16:03That man is not the only thing you saw,
16:04and it won't be the only thing you remember.
16:06You've given too much credence to what I did and what Beth says.
16:09It's also forensic.
16:10A link hasn't been established.
16:12If you look at Beth's profile...
16:13It hasn't been established.
16:15You're not stupid, Joe.
16:17I'd like to read the victim's statements and listen to the interview tapes.
16:21You're not on a case.
16:23Fine.
16:24Not officially.
16:25I value your help, Joe, and your expertise, so does everyone else.
16:29Between you and me, the victims don't remain much.
16:31That would be why you don't need a memory expert.
16:38I'd just turned the corner.
16:41It was really quiet and there was no one about.
16:44The next minute, I was on the ground and being kicked.
16:48All over.
16:50Face, back, head, stomach.
16:54Sorry, I just need my head.
16:55I still feel a bruise.
16:56But the doctor said there was an outbroken.
16:59Would have been if he'd worn boots.
17:02I just lay there.
17:04I couldn't move.
17:06This woman helped us.
17:09I don't know who she was.
17:11And there were others about me.
17:12Sorry, Beth.
17:13I have to do this.
17:14I'm sure you do, but can you do it quietly?
17:16Sure, sorry.
17:19This back, head, stomach.
17:21Look, I still feel the bruises, but the doctor said there was an outbroken.
17:28Would have been if he'd worn boots.
17:31I just lay there.
17:32I couldn't move.
17:35This woman helped us.
17:37I don't know who she was.
17:39And there were others about, just standing, looking.
17:42But this woman rang the police and me husband on her mobile.
17:47And then she went.
17:48It's funny, because he had these little trainers, you know.
17:55I felt like I'd been danced on by Michael Flatley in Rigger Boots.
17:59It's funny, because he had these little trainers, you know.
18:11I felt like I'd been danced on by Michael Flatley in Rigger Boots.
18:15I felt like I'd been danced on by Michael Flatley in Rigger Boots.
18:18Coffee?
18:20No, thanks.
18:26His hands.
18:29I can smell them.
18:32They covered my face.
18:36Couldn't see.
18:37Couldn't breathe.
18:39My neck.
18:41Just let him.
18:49I can't remember.
18:56I'm sorry.
18:59It's just...
19:00We've got him.
19:01We've bloody well got him.
19:06So?
19:07What are you waiting for?
19:08A routine visit to a martial arts class, and there he was.
19:12A young Asian with a juvenile criminal record.
19:15And he's the guy I saw coming out of the Chinese.
19:16We're searching his flat now.
19:19Congratulations.
19:21Sure.
19:21Just a blur.
19:34Then hands.
19:38His hands.
19:40I can smell them.
19:44They covered my face.
19:47Couldn't see.
19:49Couldn't breathe.
19:49My neck.
19:55Just...
19:57Met him.
20:00I can't remember.
20:03The stars...
20:06Light up my life.
20:13So what happens now?
20:14We hear what he has to say.
20:16Who else could have done it?
20:17We'll find out.
20:19Come in.
20:21Sorry, I'm late.
20:22Sit down, Joe.
20:24Right.
20:28Is there a problem?
20:29Have you been listening to the victims' interview tapes?
20:32No choice, Anne, when I'm sharing an office.
20:34Oh, come on.
20:35All right, Beth.
20:36We know the tapes have been listened to without permission, Joe, because they were not how Beth
20:41left them.
20:41Look, when I overheard them, I noticed that they were...
20:43You're not on the case, Dr. Aston.
20:45It's professional misconduct.
20:46You can't interfere in other people's cases and look at confidential material.
20:49I tend to agree with you, Beth, but I should say that I did ask Joe's advice.
20:55When?
20:55Before you arrived.
20:56Anne and I talked informally as colleagues.
20:59And did you interfere in my work informally and as a colleague?
21:02I want to see these attacks...
21:03I've never come across anything like it.
21:05Never.
21:06It seriously undermines my relationship with the investigation team and my professional
21:10standing.
21:11I'm sorry if you feel that way, but that was not my intention.
21:14Then what was your intention?
21:15The same as everyone else on the team, to catch whoever's responsible.
21:19And your idea of teamwork is to operate behind each other's backs?
21:22I'll be very interested to know how you'll explain this.
21:25I take full responsibility for the decisions I make.
21:28I'll be seeing the DS a little later.
21:30So will I.
21:30I understand how you feel, and I would feel the same.
21:35I admit that I should have consulted you.
21:37But you did, Dr. Aston, didn't you?
21:39In a very underhand way.
21:42I'm sorry if that was the impression I gave, but I am fascinated by your methodology, Dr. Webster.
21:46I've read your writings, and I remember hearing you speak at the Keele University Symposium.
21:51Very stimulating.
21:54Whatever I can offer the investigation has arisen from your original insights.
21:58The profile you've constructed is very perceptive.
22:01Even though the man we brought in is not the man we want.
22:04Isn't he?
22:05He has an alibi for the night Kim was raped.
22:08Corroborated by CCTV at a petrol station on the wrong side of town.
22:13And at the same time of the other attacks, he was either giving masterclasses in taekwondo,
22:18or competing in international championships.
22:20So it could be two people.
22:21That doesn't follow.
22:23Anne made a mistake, but it could still be one person.
22:25Not if you listen to the tapes properly.
22:27I think you're conflating things that aren't linked.
22:30Kim Saunders remembers big hands covering her face,
22:33while Susan Downell remembers seeing small feet.
22:36And?
22:38Small feet and big hands make for a very unusual body shape.
22:43Maybe there's more than one attacker.
22:45And maybe it's an inaccurate memory.
22:47I know, that's why I'd like to talk to the victims.
22:50Is Dr. Astor now officially part of the team, ma'am?
22:52Because if not, then I don't feel we should be discussing the case with him.
22:55No, he is not.
22:57Then if you'll excuse me, I do feel I have to take this matter further.
23:01I know.
23:02Oh, my God, Joe.
23:09You can slaver when you want to.
23:11I heard you speak at the symposium.
23:13Very stimulating.
23:15And I wasn't even there.
23:16I can see a point, though.
23:17Oh, so what the bloody hell have we got?
23:20How many cases?
23:21One rapist and a mugger?
23:23Two muggers?
23:24Four muggers?
23:24It might be useful if we work together again.
23:27All that's done so far is make me look foolish.
23:29That's because you went arse about face.
23:32Would you like to take over this investigation?
23:34You find a pattern, you find a profile,
23:36and then assume that when you find a person that fits both, case solved.
23:40But both the pattern and the profile are based upon assumptions, prejudices and experiences.
23:45You know, we all do it.
23:46We all try and make things fit with what we already know.
23:49So are you saying that there's no pattern to these attacks?
23:52I really need to talk to the victims.
23:55You're not on the case.
23:56I could be.
23:58So you want me to tell the super that my shrink's better than hers?
24:01While explaining to her that you've been accessing confidential case material undermining the position of her profiler?
24:07I'm sorry if I've caused a problem.
24:09Oh, it's not just you.
24:11Anyway, I've got some explaining to do upstairs.
24:14Then at least take some advice.
24:16I learnt very quickly in academic life that to get above the shit, you have to stand on somebody else's head.
24:21And I always thought you lot lived lives a polite civility.
24:24Compared to Ozan, the Borgias were a knitting circle.
24:27Myself and DC Myerson attended.
24:38The victim is Linda Leslie Curtis, age 46.
24:41The attack took place at roughly 21.20 last night outside St. Christopher's Church, Hartlepool.
24:47She was returning alone from calling on her elderly mother.
24:51The MO was consistent with the profile and the injuries are consistent with a martial arts attack.
24:56There was no sexual assault, but the level of force used seemed unnecessarily high given the articles stolen.
25:02Which were?
25:03Handbag and mobile phone.
25:05Has she given a description?
25:06She's seen the doctor again this morning, then Hartlepool will be interviewing her.
25:10Maybe three or four hours?
25:12OK.
25:13We've had the lab report back on the DNA sample taken from Paula Thomason.
25:18We're looking for two different people.
25:20As from this moment, Dr Aston is joining the team.
25:23Does this mean Dr Webster's leaving us, ma'am?
25:26Dr Webster will continue her profiling work based upon these new developments, and all the information that you can give her.
25:32Dr Aston will do recall work with the victims.
25:36You'd better start in Hartlepool, Joe.
25:37Can you send me over, Graham?
25:38If that's what you want.
25:39We need further visits to martial arts clubs in Cleveland.
25:43Rod and Ian, please.
25:46I want to go door-to-door again in Thorn Tree for the Susan Downhill attack.
25:49It's been ten days already.
25:50Mina and John.
25:53Jeff, can you get on to Hartlepool and see what they need from us today?
25:56What are we looking for, ma'am?
25:58You're looking for injuries, absences, suspicious behaviour.
26:01Take the profile with you.
26:03Talk them through it.
26:03We did that.
26:04Do it again.
26:05And get your fingers out.
26:06Can I ask a question, Bob?
26:08Yes.
26:09Why are we still treating all these incidents as one case?
26:12Dr Webster.
26:14They're linked because the attackers used the same method.
26:17It's not uncommon for two people to work together.
26:19Yeah, but surely that changes the profile.
26:21Which is why you're going out there to find out what you can as quickly as you can.
26:25Now shift.
26:25Joe, Beth, a word before you go.
26:30You two need to exchange information and work out a new strategy together.
26:34I would like to have been consulted.
26:36Wouldn't we all?
26:37The DS wanted us to know that all three of us are in the shit,
26:40and I don't think I need to tell you who's standing on our heads.
26:46Is this all right?
26:47You're doing fine, Linda, but if you want to stop, just say.
26:51It's all right.
26:54What can you see?
26:55My hands.
26:59What can you hear?
27:02Cars.
27:03Voices.
27:05Describe the voices.
27:07I can't.
27:10Where are they coming from?
27:12All around.
27:14Are they near, or are they far away?
27:18Just all around.
27:21So are you looking at your hands?
27:23I'm not.
27:24I'm looking up.
27:28What's made you look up?
27:30A voice.
27:31Whose voice?
27:34I don't know.
27:36So what can you see now?
27:39Lights.
27:41Street lights.
27:42Shop lights.
27:43People.
27:43People.
27:45Faces.
27:46Describe the shop lights.
27:49They're just lights.
27:51That's all.
27:52People in the light.
27:54Tell me about the people.
27:55I'm looking at the people.
27:56I'm looking at the people.
28:03Where are the people?
28:06They're in the shop lights.
28:09They just look at me.
28:11What you've just heard is representative of how the interview with Linda Curtis went.
28:15She kept coming back to people, lights and whatever it was across the street.
28:20And?
28:21I'm going to play some of the recordings I made with Anne when we visited the location where Kim Saunders was attacked.
28:27Describe Kim.
28:29I have.
28:30She was just staring.
28:35At what?
28:36Something we couldn't see.
28:38In which direction?
28:39Across the street.
28:41Now, was Kim just staring or was she looking at something specific across the street?
28:47I don't know.
28:48They aren't all lads.
28:49They're all girls.
28:50I'm thinking if they knew what had happened, what would they say?
28:55Some of them are drinking from bottles.
28:57A uniform walks over to them and they bugger off.
29:01Jeff's talking to the priest as Kim is taken away.
29:05A couple have come out of the Chinese.
29:08Describe them.
29:09Ordinary.
29:10Casual clothes.
29:12She's wearing a padded jacket.
29:14He's wearing a borrow football shirt.
29:16Have to be borrow around here.
29:18They look across.
29:20Then go.
29:21A man comes out.
29:22Describe him.
29:23Sporty type gear.
29:25Dark skinned.
29:27Dark tracksuit.
29:28Dark rucksack.
29:30That man had a cast iron alibi and his DNA didn't match.
29:33Just because the specific of the memory was wrong doesn't mean it's all wrong.
29:37At every scene of crime you visited, Anne, there were people watching what was happening.
29:42The victims remember people watching.
29:44Kim, Susan, Linda.
29:45And in Hartlepool, DC Hamilton remarked, without prompting, that there were people hanging around.
29:50It's always the same.
29:51There's always people standing looking, but there's nothing to see.
29:54But everyone's looking at something.
29:55So, what are you seeing?
29:57I think you've seen the attackers.
29:59At the scene of the crime?
30:00You mean they came back?
30:02Why on earth would they do that?
30:04The desire to be recognised?
30:05You think it's to do with display?
30:07All right.
30:09Let's look at it.
30:11Let's put these location shots in chronological order again.
30:15Leaving aside the fact that there's been no messages, no contacts, no calling cards.
30:19He's being seen, their calling card.
30:20You'd expect the risk level to rise each time.
30:23You'd expect the crimes to increase in severity.
30:26And they don't.
30:29Rape in a public place, mugging in a secluded place.
30:32Look at the differences.
30:33Isn't it just opportunity, plain and simple?
30:35These two people choose the locations.
30:37I'm not convinced that rational choice plays a part in the locations.
30:41A man raping a woman in a fairly public place might indicate stupidity as much as intention.
30:46Your profile says this person lives locally or knows the area very well.
30:51We know they have highly developed martial arts skills.
30:53We know it's not someone with a previous record of attacks.
30:56So there must be a reason for starting now.
30:59Some form of trigger, some damage perhaps.
31:02Would you agree so far?
31:04Yes, I would.
31:05Now, we know there must be two attackers.
31:07You're suggesting that there are two people with the same skills who have experienced the same trigger.
31:11No, I'm saying there must be a relationship between them.
31:15But the profile fits both of them.
31:17Perhaps.
31:18Well, you implied as much in the briefing.
31:20But I'm not assuming it.
31:21Don't play games, Beth.
31:22You know what I mean.
31:23I don't.
31:24You've done a couple of sessions with victims, looked at some photos and, miracle of miracles, a whole new scenario.
31:29Your argument is not grounded in psychological reality.
31:31Are you questioning my methodology?
31:33Because I'm quite willing to put this off.
31:34All right, that's enough.
31:36I'm not interested in your academic padded.
31:38Neither are the victims.
31:39Give me something concrete, a piss-off.
31:41Is that clear?
31:43Good.
31:45Are these copycat crimes?
31:48No.
31:49Therefore, there must be a relationship between the attackers.
31:52Yes.
31:53Find the relationship and you find the motive.
31:55And the motive will tell us who to look for.
31:58Joe.
31:58The different feet size indicates a small person and a large person.
32:02Father and son?
32:03Given the skill and fitness, unlikely.
32:05Brothers?
32:05Possible, but not every attack has a sexual motive.
32:08Could the relationship be based upon the martial arts?
32:10All that explains is how they met.
32:12They could know each other, but not have much of a relationship.
32:15One might hear or worship the other.
32:17Which is a variation on the copycat crime.
32:19I need to process all this new information.
32:21These two rough sketches that I did, could an artist develop them in conjunction with the victims?
32:25I see to it.
32:26And your next move, Joe?
32:27Well, my priority is another recall session with you, Anne, at the place where Paula Thomason was attacked.
32:33Perhaps you and I, Beth, could meet first thing in the morning.
32:35All right.
32:36Thank you, both of you.
32:38We're getting somewhere.
32:40A couple of months ago, I went on a leadership course with the usual stuff about man management and team building.
32:46We did sessions about good teamwork and positive relationships.
32:50And not once did they recommend losing any temper.
32:53I think they're missing something, don't you?
33:02Start when you're ready.
33:03It was very windy.
33:07The litter was blowing everywhere.
33:10The ambulance was already there.
33:12Two policemen were keeping the crowd at a distance.
33:15It was a crowd.
33:18Paula had a lovely suit on.
33:20I noticed that.
33:22I remember the way she looked at me when I walked towards her.
33:27I kicked away some broken glass.
33:30Her briefcase hadn't been taken.
33:32It hadn't been opened.
33:34There was graffiti on the wall.
33:38Beautiful graffiti.
33:39Bold, vibrant.
33:41Like her injuries.
33:44I looked at the briefcase.
33:46We walked over to those watching.
33:49No one had seen anything.
33:51When the ambulance took her away, I checked where she'd been lying.
33:55Nothing.
33:56Tell me about the people.
33:58They came and went.
34:00One man was eating chips and he offered me one.
34:03Describe the man.
34:05Fat, 40, pissed.
34:07I don't think it was him.
34:08What else can you see?
34:10People.
34:12What's Paula looking at as you approach?
34:15Me.
34:16Does she look up at you?
34:18She's already looking in my direction.
34:21When you first arrived at the scene, Paula was here.
34:24Yes.
34:25And looking in which direction?
34:27Over there.
34:29What can she see?
34:31Me walking towards her.
34:34Walk back to where the car's parked and then walk towards me.
34:37Don't turn round.
34:50It's that night.
34:51You've just arrived.
34:53Now close your eyes.
34:55Turn round and tell me what you can see.
35:02Them.
35:03Them?
35:04Us.
35:07They're looking at us.
35:08Who are?
35:10The people who are watching.
35:15They're looking at me.
35:19I should have seen them.
35:21I should.
35:23I want it to be seen and I want bloody well luck.
35:29Can we stop?
35:30What time's your meeting?
35:426.30.
35:43Just trying to get my slides the right way up.
35:45Is that what you're wearing?
35:46What's wrong with it?
35:47You know this place better than me.
35:49These are all...
35:51I haven't had the time.
35:53Come in.
35:56Witness statement from Hartlepool.
35:58Thought you'd like to see a copy.
35:59Ah, thanks.
35:59Two boys, about 13, were seen running from the area.
36:02Wearing?
36:03Casual dress, sweatshirts, loose jeans, that sort of thing.
36:06Hope it's useful.
36:09Two boys?
36:10It's possible.
36:11You can get a 14-year-old rapist.
36:13Strong enough to hold down a 32-year-old woman.
36:15With martial arts, they'd have had the advantage of speed and surprise.
36:18But there's been no indication that two people made the attacks together.
36:22Maybe they took it in turns.
36:25If they're at the scene when the police arrive...
36:27Did they attack, run away and then come back?
36:30Is there a time for the sighting there?
36:31Ah, hold on.
36:32You two, I need you in the observation room.
36:35Jess brought someone in for questioning.
36:37They were trying to use Paula Thomason's credit card in Stockton.
36:39At last.
36:40Come on, now.
36:41Er, I'll have to bring these.
36:43Does he score anywhere on the profile?
36:45Her name's Nicola.
36:46Nicola?
36:47Interview with Nicola Robson, timed at 17.48, present at D.I. Reynolds and D.C. Hamilton.
37:00Nicola, could you tell us how you came to be in possession of a credit card belonging to Paula Thomason?
37:05Paula who?
37:07Thomason.
37:08Is that a real name, like?
37:09Just answer the question.
37:11What question?
37:12I'll ask the question again.
37:14Why did you have Paula Thomason's credit card?
37:17Found it.
37:18Where did you find it?
37:19In the street.
37:20Which street?
37:21They all look the same.
37:23Why were you in Stockton, Nicola?
37:25Fancy going there.
37:26Why?
37:27I like the name.
37:28I don't like people who savagely attack innocent women, do you?
37:32No.
37:33Good.
37:34Paula Thomason was savagely attacked, a handbag was stolen, a credit card was stolen.
37:39And then you tried to use that credit card.
37:41Didn't?
37:42You tried to buy a DVD player with it.
37:44I was handing the card in.
37:45Don't piss me about.
37:46I'm not.
37:47I was being honest, that's all.
37:50How old do you think she is?
37:52Hard to tell, but she's definitely not two lads from Hartlepool.
37:55She may be the mugger, I suppose.
37:58Not the rapist.
38:02She's drunk.
38:04Mina said they had to prise the Alka-Pops off her at the door.
38:08I can't hear.
38:09You shouldn't have banged into me, I was nearly finished.
38:12Didn't you have them numbered?
38:14Well, that's a good idea.
38:17Look at her face.
38:19She's enjoying this.
38:21She's playing a game with us.
38:24Joe?
38:25What?
38:26You're not watching.
38:27I'm sure you'll take it all in for both of us.
38:29Can't you do without the slides?
38:31This is important.
38:32So is this.
38:32I've not published a fancy book.
38:34You'd be better off concentrating on doing your job properly.
38:36While you sit in my office, work my case and complain about me to the boss.
38:40It was not your case.
38:42I made this case.
38:43I saw the link.
38:43What bloody link?
38:45Oh, what's the point?
38:48I can't see a bloody thing.
38:50I may as well just do a lucky dip.
38:53Solving crimes.
38:54My career.
38:55May as well toss a coin.
38:56It's the only way I've got a date with Helen.
39:00Sat in a uni bar, spinning empty bottle to decide who had to drink the cocktail or show
39:04the bum.
39:06She lost.
39:07All gang of us.
39:09Pissed in the uni bar, spinning the bottle to see who...
39:11Shh!
39:14The bottle decided what happened next.
39:21Joe?
39:21Where are you going?
39:22Why did you have Paula Thompson's credit card?
39:25D.I. Reynolds re-enters the room at 1813 with Dr. Aston.
39:33Nicola, this is Dr. Joe Aston.
39:35We'd like to ask you some questions.
39:37There's only one question, Nicola.
39:39Would you like a drink?
39:41No?
39:43What if I spin the bottle first?
39:48It's pointing at D.I. Reynolds.
39:50So what does she have to do now, Nicola?
39:55Come in.
39:59D.C. Hitchens enters the room at 1814.
40:12Just tell me what you see.
40:15Two police cars, two paramedics, the victims wrapped in a blanket and there's people watching.
40:21There, by the bus shelter.
40:26Are you sure?
40:27Calmly watching, drinking from our bottle.
40:30Enjoying every minute.
40:32You'd think that with Nicola in custody...
40:33That won't make any difference.
40:37This is Alpha 2-0.
40:39By the bus shelter.
40:40Dressed in a dark tracksuit.
40:42They're all wearing dark tracksuits, Mum.
40:44The one drinking from the bloody bottle.
40:48Let's hope this time we're right.
40:50It starts as kids, with knocking iron doors.
41:00Then jumping along garage roofs, underage drinking, to that first motorbike.
41:05Mad-miling.
41:06Oh, yeah?
41:07What did you have?
41:08Yam 400.
41:10Woo!
41:11Were you ever caught?
41:12Once.
41:13I lost control at a roundabout and ended up 20 yards from the police car.
41:17We play the games, we dare, we compete.
41:21So they're adrenaline junkies.
41:24It fits.
41:26Nicola was an at-risk kid and sent on an adventure weekend.
41:30They're encouraged to test themselves and then thrown back into their own environment.
41:34And there's no big walls and white water in Middlesbrough.
41:38But they still want the thrill.
41:39And crime is the ultimate rush.
41:42The bottle spinning dictates the attacker and place of the attack.
41:48Then they come back to watch the game and drink.
41:51For it to work, you need more than two people playing.
41:57Are you saying all six of them are in it?
41:59All right?
42:14I felt a bit sick on the last bend.
42:16I've explained why you're late.
42:18Then I put my neatest tape in at the top of the pan.
42:20The DS Texas Review, seriously, Joe.
42:22You can't behave with her, how you behave with me.
42:24She doesn't do cosy, then.
42:26What do you mean by that?
42:27Nothing.
42:30Here we are.
42:32Just be professional, Joe.
42:34I always am, man.
42:36And the best of luck.
42:37Sounds as if you want me to stay.
42:39I do.
42:40In that case, I just hope she likes my closing song.
42:43Do you want to stay?
42:45You know, Helen has a theory that the urge to return, physically or emotionally,
42:50to the place where you were brought up indicates social malaise or unconscious uncertainty.
42:55Oh, what's that supposed to mean?
42:58Well, that's Dr. Webster.
43:02Hello.
43:03Go ahead and learn it.
43:04In Stepping Out by David Napfine, Dr. Joe Aston was played by Jeremy Swift,
43:24D.I.
43:25Anne Reynolds by Janet Dibley,
43:27and Beth Webster by Tessa Peake-Jones.
43:29Linda was Sue Scott-Davison,
43:32Nicola, Susan Hethcote,
43:34and D.C. Hamilton, Andrew Harrison.
43:37The director was John Paul Panty.
43:39We're taking care of,
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