Nik Nazmi is known for openly expressing his views within his party. He stated that his loyalty lies with the mandate given to him by the people, which is to serve as part of Keadilan and PH.
As this was the platform he contested on, he intends to see his full term through to the end.
While he is currently focused on his media work and believes everyone makes their own choices, he has made it clear that he will not be leaving the party until the end of this term.
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As this was the platform he contested on, he intends to see his full term through to the end.
While he is currently focused on his media work and believes everyone makes their own choices, he has made it clear that he will not be leaving the party until the end of this term.
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00:00Hello everyone and welcome back to SINAH Daily's Top News Podcast and I'm your host Ashwin Kumar.
00:08Today we have a special guest, he's none other than former minister and Setia Bangsa MP YB Nick Nazmi.
00:15Hi YB, how are you? Good to be here.
00:19Actually I want to congratulate you, I think these days you have lesser work after whatever happened.
00:29As a joke YB, and when you had a lot of responsibilities, you travel around, you attended symposiums, conferences, you try to say Malayan tiger, but nobody cared.
00:44Environmentalist cared, Sultan of Pang, the whole family cared.
00:50We cared, media, but Rakyat I'm not sure.
00:53But whatever happened in the last one and a half month or two months.
00:58Now everybody talking about you and your colleague, Dato Sri Rafizi.
01:03So back to our topic, criticism, constructive criticism is not betrayal.
01:12That is a core essence of PKR.
01:15Let's not talk about Pakatan Harapan, PKR itself.
01:18That's the DNA.
01:20Yeah.
01:21Lahirnya PKR.
01:22Kenapa tiba-tiba macam ada jangkitan dari sesuatu parti?
01:26I don't want to mention that party.
01:28Bila something being raised with good points, somehow nanti disisihkan.
01:37Maybe you can tell maybe.
01:39Well, I think it's true.
01:42I've been being able to question and to criticize because you want to make things better.
01:48That is the essence of Kadilan, of PKR.
01:53And, you know, you, in fact, not just in 99, you know, the beginnings when we were on the streets.
02:02And, you know, the time when a lot of people were attracted to this new movement.
02:08But even when we won power in Selangor, in Penang and all that, you see that I was a back-bencher Adun for one point of time.
02:18And, you know, we at times were the ones more critical towards our own government than the opposition.
02:25I mean, in like real matters, not just petty matters or just to get people excited.
02:32Similarly, 2018, I became an MP.
02:36I remember, you know, we were loud, we were critical.
02:41And, I mean, we were, we remained supportive of even at that time, Tuan Mahathir.
02:45But we questioned when the government did not live up to its promises or, you know, did not, or were pushing things without consultation.
02:57So, this time around, well, I guess maybe, you know, you, one of the things is that we get a lot more new people.
03:09You know, and that's, I understand that and that's fine. I mean, I want us to win.
03:15And when you win, you attract new people, right? And that's fine.
03:20But the problem is, whether it's the new people and even some of those who have been in the party for some time from the difficult days,
03:28they start to look, you know, start to think differently that, oh, you know, we have to preserve stability above everything else.
03:40You know, because we are not just the government, we are the prime minister and all that.
03:45So, it's all about stability and, you know, using the right channels, which I'm not entirely against.
03:54But if I'm a minister, I'm bound by collective responsibility.
03:58In fact, in cabinet, I think Rafizi and I were a bit more, well, not critical, but we will give our view.
04:05Because I think that's our trust, our mana. But now that we are outside, and I think, you know, Rafizi has also been very clear.
04:12I've been very clear. We do not want to change the prime minister. We are here in this party, but we will speak out when we need to.
04:19Because that's what people voted us in for. So, I don't know why, you know, other than that, why people don't like this.
04:27If it's the new people, I understand, maybe they find that this culture is weird, rare, right?
04:33But if you've been in the party for a long time, you know that being critical, being vocal is what makes us special.
04:42What makes people want to join us. And as you said, I mean, other parties have different cultures.
04:47And, you know, that's in a way that's their strength. That's why some people like them.
04:52But, so for us, if then you don't like something that is pretty much the DNA of PKR, then, I don't know, I mean, people will start to question the party.
05:02Is it because, before this, all of you know, not in power, not part of government, things were fine.
05:10And now, suddenly, part of government, you know, we have camps. Is it because of that?
05:15Well, in terms of camps, I think PKR has always had camps, right? Our party election has always been exciting, to put it mightily.
05:27Well, I think the difference this time around, as you rightly say, I think having power, then the stakes are higher.
05:34Yes, I mean, previously that means, I mean, we had positions in Selangor, in Penang, in some governments, but now it's federal power, right?
05:42It's bigger, it's worth more. So, I think that that is one of the reasons why, you know, sometimes you can see the change in the culture of the party.
05:55There's a, I would say it's a myth among the public. The opinion is, PKR is a party that just cannot have power. They are born to be opposition.
06:11What is your thought on that?
06:14I disagree, in a sense that I think, you know, we have good people, we have, you know, people who I believe make good ministers.
06:25Like Hassan Karim.
06:26Yeah, I mean, yeah. But at the same time, you know, I understand why people think that way. But, yeah, I mean, we just have to get used to having power, right?
06:41And I think the difference, of course, is for us to have power is not to enrich ourselves, it's not to oppress anyone, but having power is about uplifting the people, is about making a difference in society and bringing the different races in Malaysia together.
06:58I mean, that's the DNA of PKR.
07:02Maybe it's a, this challenge, maybe PKR has to go through this challenge to become a solid party in the future. I, maybe.
07:10Maybe.
07:11Maybe.
07:12Maybe.
07:13Maybe.
07:14Recently, KJ also visited, just like you, to Karangraaf. When we asked him about whatever happened to you and your clique, to Sri Rafizi, he said, you and him now in the same boat, whatever happened.
07:27So, you at least still helping out your constituency, Chityongsa. KJ is there, DJing and everything.
07:38But do you think KJ can make a comeback? And do you think KJ might make a comeback as a senator or what under Dato Sri Anwar's government?
07:48Well, that is a question that KJ can answer. But as far as I'm concerned, I think, you know, he obviously is a very well-regarded politician, especially among the younger generation.
08:05And he has done well outside of government, you know, whatever it is, whether it's as a DJ or podcast or other things.
08:15So, yeah, I'm sure, I mean, he'll be a valuable member if Dato Sri Anwar wants and if he makes a comeback, I think he will be a valuable member of the government.
08:28And I think, I mean, I interviewed him recently and all that. I do see a slight change, like, you know, the criticisms are a bit more measured.
08:41Yeah, whether it's about the government, Dato Sri Zahid, so the rest, I mean, it's something that I don't know. I mean, he has never, you know, confided to me or whatever on that.
08:55I understand. And talking about every time when there's a political turmoil or rumours, it's always about somebody saying something, Saitros, you know, Izwardi, Morni, people like him and everything.
09:15But sometimes they're telling the truth, yes. Media saying one thing, opposition saying another thing, and the kuncu-kuncu saying something, some stuff.
09:22So all this, Rakyat wants to know, YB, what is actually happening with unity government? What is actually happening?
09:34Maybe we can get it from you.
09:37Well, I think, you know, this is the colour of society. It's a democratic society. It's an open society. So you get people with different views.
09:48You know, we are not a one-party dictatorship. I think the Rakyat, to a great extent, they form their own opinion.
10:03And, you know, they sort of, you know, they get a view from the government. They get view from the opposition. They get view from the critical members of government like myself.
10:14They get views from media, from social media. Then they will form their own view, right? And I think, but I think what the unity government needs to do better,
10:30even, I mean, I think we've done a lot of good things in the unity government. And I'm not going to, you know, belittle that or question that. But I think what, one thing we should always work on is communications.
10:45That is something we should do better. And, I mean, yeah, and then, like, you know, we tend to say that the opposition are very good at using social media and all that.
11:02We used to be very good at using social media. You can't suddenly, because I think suddenly you have a sense that some people in government are more comfortable with mainstream media.
11:14But we know that, you know, mainstream media is important, but that alone is not enough. I mean, or not, we wouldn't win in 2018.
11:20Correct. Correct.
11:21So that's one thing. And two is that, sometimes, I mean, the opposition or you have some people saying silly things and all that, we have to be more tolerant of views, of criticisms, rightly or wrongly.
11:42I mean, I don't know how often people in the previous administrations close down their comments on Facebook. But it has happened in this government, unfortunately.
11:53Exactly.
11:54We have seen, you know, the minister saying that, oh, be careful of what you say, a police car might be outside your house.
12:01And why do we have to resort to that? If anything wrong, 3R, whatever, and you need to, I mean, I'm not saying that everyone on social media is good and great.
12:11Right? But if there needs to be, you take action, but you shouldn't advertise or shouldn't rely on that again and again, because this is what we fought against.
12:22Exactly. Right? You have to be very careful. You have to give a wide room for disagreement, for criticism, you know, before taking action.
12:31And I think this is something that we have to navigate very well.
12:36Yeah.
12:37And I think PMX have repeatedly said this about this communication.
12:40Yeah.
12:41I think earlier, firstly, I think Patlina said about it as well.
12:43Mm.
12:44But, takkan tiga tahun masih problem yang sama saja.
12:49I think by now, it should fix, and the focus should be in something else already.
12:53Agreed.
12:54And, you know, time is running out. We have two more years before general election.
12:59So, we have to take action now. You know, and it's, I mean, if we know the problem, then we have to take that action.
13:08Mm-hmm.
13:09Mm-hmm.
13:10Now, let's go back to, again, our title, YB.
13:13Mm.
13:14PMX.
13:15Mm-hmm.
13:16How is he doing? Is he doing a good job?
13:19Because, from a layman perspective, my own father, he said, what did he promise?
13:27What is he doing?
13:29Mm-hmm.
13:30That's all.
13:31Yeah.
13:32That's all.
13:33But, I find it is quite sharp.
13:35Mm-hmm.
13:36Quite sharp.
13:37And, I can't answer that.
13:38Mm-hmm.
13:39Can't answer that.
13:40Yeah.
13:41Maybe, YB, maybe you can say.
13:42Well, yeah, I mean, I think the core PKR reformasi supporters, I mean, he's been there for 25 years, right?
13:53Yeah, over 25 years, waited for him to be in power. I mean, he spent, what, 10 years in prison.
13:58Um, it was a long, long journey. I mean, in fact, people were writing him off in 2022, when he became Prime Minister.
14:08Um, people understand that this is not a PH government. It's, we had to govern with BN, with GPS, GRS.
14:19So, it's quite an awkward arrangement. I think people understand that, and people don't expect us to deliver the PH manifesto, you know, in total.
14:35Yeah, that's right.
14:36People understand that.
14:37Yeah.
14:38But, I think what is crucial is about, and the priorities, what are our priorities.
14:42And obviously, there are certain reforms that we had to do, which was the right decision, but it makes things a bit difficult.
14:51I was part of the retargeting of subsidy for electricity.
14:57Um, we worked together with the opposition states to increase the water tariffs, because we felt that that was necessary.
15:04Diesel. Um, and obviously, there are some unintended consequences.
15:10Uh, whether it's real, or whether it's just perception, it's a different thing, but people feel that, oh, Benda Mahal, and all that.
15:17So, I mean, it's not easy, right? And then, uh, but I think there are things that we just, that are very central to what reformacy is about, and that you have to draw the line.
15:30Correct.
15:31So, one of the things, for example, is the judiciary. I mean, I think Dato Sri Anwar Ibrahim knows more than anyone else what it is to be, um, you know, when you have an unfair judiciary.
15:46Uh, but he, uh, what do you call that, uh, stood tall, and he managed to succeed eventually.
15:52The issue is, um, I mean, again, you know, process, I mean, sometimes you talk, oh, but we went through the process, and all that, and that's fine.
16:02But I think, again, it was the perception, right? So, that was why the nine of us spoke out.
16:08You know, we don't just speak out for the sake of it. Uh, we, we, we felt that we need to.
16:15The judges didn't have a voice, um, and, and, you know, our judiciary have been doing so well, you know, uh, I mean, since 2018.
16:24Correct.
16:25Uh, not many countries can say they're able to imprison their prime minister.
16:29Correct.
16:30We did that, right? So, when people get worried, we had to be the voice. So, I think that was one, one main thing.
16:35And I think, um, I don't know, I mean, there is also a sense that we are trying very, very hard to get the, uh, UMNO, PAS, and Bersatu Voters.
16:53And, obviously, I mean, Sarawak is another thing, and to a certain extent, I understand.
16:57Uh, but, okay, let's talk about this part. And, again, obviously, it's important. Malay voters are crucial to any government in Malaysia.
17:05Correct.
17:06Um, but, sometimes, I mean, I'm in KL. And I'm not just talking about the non-Malay voters. I'm talking about the progressive Malays.
17:13I'm talking about those who have been in Reformasi. Those who were never in any party.
17:18In 1998, they saw Dato' Sri Anwar being treated like that. They decided to join Reformasi.
17:23Uh, hmm.
17:24They feel that their views, their concerns are relegated under this, uh, PH government.
17:32And, and this is like, you know, this is our first laugh, I like to say. You know, this is our cause for this.
17:37Correct.
17:38You cannot alienate them. Correct.
17:40Um, I hope we can win over the Malay voters. I hope we can, uh, win over Sarawak voters as PH, right?
17:47But, if you can't hold on to your core voters. Correct.
17:52It's going to be very difficult. We're not going to win Glantan overnight. Correct.
17:55We're not going to win the Malay rural areas overnight. So, we need to ensure that our voters still believe in us.
18:04And, the other part is, even when we have been doing the right things, communications again. Again.
18:12Right, because if we are not talking about being saints, you do your good deeds quietly, because God knows, right?
18:20We are talking about politics where you need votes. Okay.
18:22So, if people don't know, or people get the wrong info, or the opposition has been painting what we do, rather than what we are telling, then, you know, we are in for a tough time.
18:31Okay. Is Dato Sri Anwar aware that this hardcore 1998 followers is being sidelined? Is he aware?
18:41Because I'm just worried that one day, he will become Dato Sri Najib in the sense of, remember Dato Sri Najib always thought everybody loved him, based on I love my PM and everything.
18:52I think, at the moment, the reality strike, then Dato Sri Anwar realized, oh, we actually had a problem, and people covered for me.
19:00Yeah.
19:01I don't want that to happen. Yeah.
19:02So, is he aware? Maybe?
19:04I hope he's aware. I mean, I think, you know, I mean, he's a smart man.
19:08Uh-huh.
19:09I, I, I, and, you know, we have been raising this issue, right? And, and, uh, so I, I, yeah, I think, I hope he's aware.
19:18Okay, maybe. And, another thing you mentioned earlier that, doing good deeds behind, you know, nobody knows publicity, Puteri Reformasi.
19:27Uh-huh.
19:28Uh-huh.
19:29Uh-huh.
19:30Uh-huh.
19:31Uh-huh.
19:32How important is she for PGR, maybe?
19:34She's very important. She's the deputy president. Uh-huh.
19:37She is the co-director for elections for the party. Uh-huh.
19:41Uh-huh.
19:42So, she is central. Very important for the party. I mean, uh, people look at...
19:47Uh-huh.
19:48Uh-huh.
19:49Uh-huh.
19:50Uh-huh.
19:51Uh, already in his last term as party president. Uh-huh.
19:52Uh-huh.
19:53I mean, he is 78. Uh-huh.
19:54Uh-huh.
19:55Uh-huh.
19:56So, obviously, uh, Noru-emer positivity as a number two in the party. It is, uh...
20:02Uh-huh.
20:03People will look at her as, you know, as someone who has to be ready to take over the party at any time.
20:07Uh-huh.
20:08Uh-huh.
20:09Um, and, uh, since the formation of unity government? Hmm?
20:10Uh-huh.
20:11Unstable graph when it comes to Putri Reformasi, because first remember nepotism, but a quick action was taken, but I think some loyalists affected with that one move itself.
20:27What went wrong with YB? And do you think they managed to fix it?
20:31I don't know. I mean, obviously, you know, being the going to deputy president running against the incumbent Rafizi, obviously, that reinforces that perception.
20:48But she has, I mean, she's now deputy president. And I think she is a very talented, very smart and popular young leader.
20:59So I think she should leverage on that and, you know, really focus.
21:06But, you know, this is a different ballgame because once you're deputy president, I mean, I was vice president.
21:11Vice president, there's seven of us, four elected, three appointed, right?
21:15So, you know, if you're, it's like a goalkeeper.
21:19So being a deputy president is a bit like a goalkeeper or being a president because you're the only one there.
21:24Correct.
21:24So anything goes wrong is very noticeable. No one can cover for you.
21:29But if you're a defender or if you're a midfielder, you know, you have a few layers and a lot of players that can run and cover for you.
21:37So I think so she has to, I mean, you know, step up.
21:43She's very capable. I mean, I've been working. I mean, she's a friend from a long, long time.
21:49And she's been, you know, in frontline politics for a long time.
21:53So, I mean, this is time to prove herself.
21:58Okay, YB. Another question. Farhash.
22:03Siapakah Farhash.
22:05I mean, generally we know.
22:06Why this always seems, um, Farhash ni macham YB, um, adage issue.
22:14Um, adage issue.
22:15Yeah.
22:16I'm not saying it.
22:16I didn't say it.
22:18Adage issue.
22:18Listen, you know, the Sabah scandal and everything.
22:22Is everything okay with him?
22:23Or is the media getting it wrong before this 7-11?
22:28Mm-hmm.
22:28Yeah.
22:29So, why we?
22:30Well, I don't know. I mean, I, you know, I mean, the details and all that, I'm not privy to it.
22:36What I can say is...
22:37Quite ambitious guy, right?
22:38Ambitious. I mean, yeah, ambitious. Nothing wrong with that.
22:42Mm-hmm.
22:43But I think, you know, when you are a politically exposed person with, and obviously people know that you're previously the political secretary to the prime minister,
22:57before he became prime minister, so I guess he has to be willing to be more...
23:06I mean, you know, to really understand that people will go through every single business dealings and everything that he does, right?
23:13So, he has to be prepared for that.
23:17You know, if it's above board and everything, then he just has to come clean, right?
23:21And, um, because people ask these questions, and I don't think, you know, asking questions is completely...
23:27It's completely fair.
23:28We did that on other people who were close to previous prime ministers.
23:34So, you know, if you are...
23:36Whether you like it or not, I mean, this is the challenge.
23:38I mean, there are good parts of being close to PM, but the downside is that people will really look at you,
23:43and, you know, ask all these questions.
23:47So, you know, I mean, he's...
23:50Anyone has the right to be ambitious, but has to be willing to be open and answer these questions.
23:57Is UMNO okay with him as well, maybe?
24:00I don't know that when you have to ask UMNO.
24:02Yeah, I'm still a PKR member.
24:04And, um, the netizens are saying, Rakyat is saying, Faraj is like a liability for PMX.
24:12So, I don't know if the PMX is aware of, you know, or not.
24:16Um, hopefully somebody will advise on PMX.
24:21And, uh, moving on, maybe.
24:23Um, we have one Merdeka question.
24:25Yeah.
24:25A separate question, which is...
24:28Easier lah.
24:28Recently, whatever happened, I'm sure you're aware.
24:33It has come to a point where...
24:35Um, Rakyat takut nak letak bendera.
24:39Hmm.
24:40Takut.
24:40Maybe it could be a designer's fault.
24:42Yeah.
24:42It could be the delivery guy's fault, you know.
24:45So, what approach should we take?
24:48Should we, like, educative or punishment?
24:51Because, look, now seems like punishment is the main way that we are going.
24:55What is your opinion on that right there?
24:56You know, I think, I mean, you know, we obviously, as Muslims, we treat our Quran with reverence.
25:02Because, you know, it's the word of God.
25:05And you have a certain way to deal with it and all that.
25:09But I give you an example.
25:10If you accidentally, uh, I mean, say a printer, and it happens.
25:15A printer misprints a Quran.
25:18They immediately, I mean, they consciously realize it and they rectify it.
25:24They apologize for me.
25:25I mean, even sometimes they sell and they recall, whatever, change with a reprinted proper Quran.
25:32It's not the same as someone who takes the Quran and burn it out of hatred for the religion.
25:37Correct.
25:38Right?
25:38So, similarly, I mean, this obviously on the last.
25:40I mean, that's about the holy book.
25:43If you're talking about the flag, I mean, to me, patriotism is not about waving flags alone.
25:48Correct.
25:49Right?
25:49I mean, there are various ways.
25:50I mean, if you're waving flags but you're corrupt, I don't think you're patriotic.
25:53Correct.
25:54Um, if you're waving flags but you're racist, I don't think you're patriotic.
26:00But, okay, fine.
26:01It is a way.
26:02I mean, I do distribute flags in my area and all that just to create the feeling among the public, right?
26:07And, I mean, I'm being very frank.
26:09I think there was this sense of perception or whether real or not.
26:14People like to say, oh, non-Malays did not put up flags.
26:16I mean, or, you know, they're putting up flags less now than before or whatever.
26:20I mean, I don't measure this or check who puts up.
26:23But, that's what people whisper.
26:26And then, when a non-Malays puts it wrongly, then you create this fuss as if it's the end of the world.
26:35So, again, if it is, you know, this guy goes and knowingly, you know, step on it or, you know, knowingly, like for days, put the flag upside down, that's one thing.
26:49But, if they make a mistake, they apologize for it.
26:52But, why are we making it such a big thing?
26:55Why are we expanding our energies?
26:58And, you're correct.
26:59I'm, you know, because, to be honest, right?
27:01I mean, I guess I subconsciously, I know if a flag is right or wrong.
27:07Not only you have to measure the stripes, you also have to measure the star.
27:11I mean, to count the star, to make sure it's the right number, right?
27:15But, if, I mean, what if you don't?
27:18I mean, people can make an issue if they want to, now.
27:20And, I mean, some from AI, the mistake, some other people make mistake, it was never an issue.
27:26And, rightly so, because if you realize that it was an unintended mistake, no intention, no, you know, not to insult or to, not to, you know, to send a message or anything, it was purely unintentional.
27:41You cannot equate that with someone who does it intentionally.
27:45So, I think, you know, this is, anyway, you put it at a certain race, and all that.
27:52And, then, you bring a rombongan all the way to a certain place, and that is, that is unnecessary.
27:58And, I think, it's really unhealthy for the country.
28:02And, this is 2025.
28:03The reason why I asked you, YB, because my neighbor, I have been in this particular taman seven years.
28:10He'll be the first one to put up in our taman.
28:12By 15, he already up.
28:14So, already, still now, takde.
28:16Takde.
28:17Takde.
28:17So, any message, YB, for Merdeka, and also, moving forward, now, you're not a Menteri anymore, but how are you going to engage with youngsters after this?
28:33And, what is your future plan like?
28:36Oh, well, for Merdeka, I think, just wish every Malaysian, Selamat Hari Kebangsaan, Selamat Hari Malaysia.
28:43You know, we should all cherish our independence, our freedom.
28:51And, you know, we should really, I mean, if you remember, in Wawasan 2020, which was announced in 1991,
28:59the Prime Minister at that time spoke about creating a United Bangsa Malaysia.
29:04We have to ask ourselves, do we have, in 2025, do we have that United Bangsa Malaysia or not?
29:11Right?
29:11Honestly.
29:12So, I think that, that is the most important message to take in.
29:19With regards to, yeah, I think for me, I'm trying to use social media more.
29:28I'm trying to go to the ground more, to engage with the younger generation.
29:33I know it's a challenge.
29:34They're using different apps.
29:35They're using different platforms.
29:37The language they speak, they have a shorter attention span.
29:40They're very curious, very aware about the environment.
29:43So, I'm trying to engage with them as much as possible.
29:46But, you know, it's always a learning process when you're old and, you know, you're used to certain things.
29:52As for my future plans, I mean, currently, I'm happy.
29:56I have a bit more time to myself.
29:58I'm trying to exercise more, although I haven't done it.
30:01I'm, you know, I'm focused in my constituency going down.
30:09I'm focused in parliament raising issues that are critical to the rakyat.
30:13And I also have my own media set up, Lebih Masa, where I not just do podcasts, I do documentaries and we have other exciting programs coming up.
30:24InshaAllah.
30:25So, thank you, Aibi.
30:26Thank you for participating in our podcast session.
30:30And to the audience, thank you for watching.
30:32May you all have an insightful session.
30:35Bye.
30:35Bye.
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