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Discover the UFO phenomenon like never before, with insights from NASA, CNES, Oxford, compelling firsthand witnesses, and even the possible viewpoint of extraterrestrial visitors.
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00:00Hey, Kevin?
00:25Yes, hello.
00:26Hi, come on in.
00:27All right, here's the package.
00:32So, what do you know about the history of this?
00:36I know that it is supposedly from a crash site in New Mexico from the St. Augustine Plains.
00:45It happened in 1947 within weeks of the supposed Roswell crash.
00:52If this is just debris from an airplane crash, then it's not that valuable or not that interesting.
00:57But if it turns out that it's a debris from a crashed UFO or a crashed alien spacecraft or whatever it might be, then it's invaluable.
01:05So, it's priceless.
01:07So, we have these weird handoffs, these Cloaker and Dagger style handoffs, which admittedly are fun and relatively amusing and a bit worrisome because I don't know that other people aren't tracking this,
01:25that other people wouldn't like to have it, that somebody might try to get it from you, and, you know, we don't know that that's not the case.
01:31I mean, I'm a physics professor.
01:35We don't operate this way, and I don't know how, you know, whether there are other groups or other countries that would like to get their hands on this that, you know, might go through some, you know, movie-style lengths to do it.
01:50We don't operate this way.
02:20We don't operate this way.
02:50Your most beautiful faces we find inside
03:20Most science documentaries look at an encounter with extraterrestrial civilization from our
03:46point of view but let's turn it upside down what would it be like if you were part of an
03:53advanced civilization meeting earthlings for the first time well place myself in the persona of an
04:02alien being and saying here we are we come in peace you know that's certainly something i would hope if
04:08aliens are intelligent they're also curious and that curiosity is going to force them to go out and
04:15examine everything they have access to which could include us if i'm a being i'm choosing people who
04:23can convey my message in a way that would leave very little doubt why would they need to have such
04:32extensive direct interactions with us when everything that they could possibly need from
04:38us they could take without really having to expose themselves at all we wouldn't really even need to
04:42know about their existence the fact that we do would indicate that they are whatever they are
04:47wanting us to think in a particular way probably more about ourselves than about them
05:12i'm going to show you the same thing i'm going to show you the fact that we are going to show you
05:17my name is alisa quintana i'm a nastrophysicist at nasa goddard and i'm the deputy project scientist for
05:24nasa's test mission this is the transiting exoplanet survey satellite this is a space mission looking
05:30for planets outside of our solar system including those that are small like earth ultimately we're looking
05:35for planets that are in a goldilocks zone so they're not too close to their star where it's very hot
05:41they're also not too far away where it's very cold they're in a temperate region just like earth is
05:46around the sun they're in a region that would allow liquid water on a planet's surface using this
05:51transit method we can determine the size of a planet its orbit and we can ultimately determine
05:57which planets are in the habitable zones of these stars so in the early days of searching for other
06:03planets we were really focusing on sun-like stars what we now know is that the most common type of
06:09star that has planets are these m dwarfs so these are stars that are smaller cooler and redder than
06:15the sun and they emit different light so they emit light in the infrared they're very very different
06:22from the sun planets that evolve in the habitable zones of these stars will have a very different
06:27environment i often wonder what kind of life would evolve under infrared light what is photosynthesis
06:34like we have these green plants that evolve under the sun will we have black trees or will we have
06:39some new form of life that we can't even imagine that are forming on on these stars that are the most
06:44abundant in the sky a huge goal of nasa is to find another earth-like planet that could have life
06:52even intelligent life
07:05mon nom est michel viso je suis responsable du programme d'exobiologie au cnes l'agence spatiale française
07:13dans ma carrière j'ai été impliqué d'abord dans des projets de volabilité puisque j'ai été sélectionné comme
07:18astronaute d'abord par le cnes en 1985 comment peut-on imaginer une forme de vie extraterrestre les
07:29chimistes les biochimistes les biologistes après avoir étudié beaucoup d'hypothèses sont à peu
07:36près tous d'accord que la vie sera à base de carbone d'hydrogène d'oxygène d'azote de phosphore de
07:43soufre d'une dizaine d'autres éléments mais on sera obligatoirement surpris on peut se préparer à
07:52beaucoup de choses on peut faire beaucoup d'hypothèses et dans tous les cas ça sera antinomique de tout ce à
07:59quoi on aura pensé ça sera forcément différent il se trouve que les ressorts aléatoires de l'évolution
08:07sont beaucoup plus imaginatifs entre guillemets que peuvent l'être nos petits cerveaux
08:14i think it would be fascinating if we were to find intelligent life that was very different from
08:19ours life where we could learn and really advance ourselves so what is the ultimate goal here once the
08:26generational program down the road finds that there not only is life there but there's a
08:31civilization what happens next that's a really good question everyone is so focused on building
08:39the next flagship that's going to image the earth and then what it's like so if we find life on
08:48another planet what are the next steps that nasa is going to do what are the next steps that the
08:53community is going to do should we contact and communicate with these other planets and that
08:59is a whole new discussion area that people are are actually talking about and i don't know what
09:05the next steps would be the city institute does have a procedure for if they were to find life
09:11they actually have you know a manual there's a proper procedure of writing a publication and what
09:17should we do next because i'm involved in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence people will ask
09:25do you really think there are aliens out there i mean do you think there's any life out there
09:29and of course i do i mean that's why i took the job really and why do i think that it's not because
09:34we've found it because we haven't but what we now know and something that we didn't know even 25 years
09:39ago is that the universe is just chock-a-block with planets there are roughly a trillion planets just in
09:46the milky way galaxy and we can see trillions of other galaxies so that's a lot of planet pleasure right
09:51there are so many worlds out there that to think that well no only earth has produced life or
09:57intelligent life that sounds like a lot of hubris to me turns out that the techniques used for
10:04studying galaxies which is what i used to do seti uses many of the same techniques that i was using
10:09to study galaxies in other words you know big antennas call them radio telescopes and just point
10:15them in the direction of some nearby stars hoping that there's somebody on the planet around those
10:19stars who's broadcasting a signal that we could pick up and prove that we have some company there
10:25so what if we get a signal i mean we might get a signal from deep space tomorrow next week next year
10:3010 years from now we don't know but what happens i can tell you what's really going to happen because
10:34we've had false alarms and in a false alarm you see what actually happens the media start calling up
10:40because there's no policy of secrecy everybody's sending emails or text messages or calling their mom or
10:45whatever they're doing so the news that we picked up a signal gets out within minutes and the experience
10:51that we've had is when that happens even before we've checked out whether it's for real or not
10:56the local tv stations the newspapers and the media start calling scientists have a mystery on their
11:02hands signals from outer space are being detected what's most exciting about this signal from outer
11:07space is that it repeats itself every 16 days if the signal's strong enough some believe to raise
11:13the possibility that it was sent intentionally by aliens one radio versus wavelength light was
11:18converted to sound so if i were an alien how would i find intelligent life on earth or for that
11:27matter any life on earth now finding life is kind of a simpler problem for the aliens than finding
11:33intelligent life because all they have to do is build a big telescope and analyze the atmosphere
11:39of our planet of earth and they would find g20 of that atmosphere is oxygen and normally that's not
11:45a component of the gases in the atmosphere of planets but it is of ours so if the aliens can
11:51find oxygen in our atmosphere that would be a strong clue that there's some sort of biology here
11:56at least photosynthesis that wouldn't tell them that homo sapiens is here of course but what would
12:02is if they can build big antennas and pick up our television or our radars or our fm radio because
12:09if there's been enough time for those signals to get out to them they'll pick that up and they say
12:13well we don't know what's down there but whatever it is is pretty clever because they can engineer a
12:18transmitter for a long time i banged my head against the wall looking for a theory of consciousness in
12:41purely physical terms that would work i'm david chalmers i'm a professor of philosophy at new york
12:48university i'm also co-director of the center for mind brain and consciousness i'm a philosopher so i
12:56think about foundational ideas about the mind about the world about knowledge about reality how is the
13:04human mind even possible i think about artificial minds could a computer have a mind are there non-human
13:11minds in animals or even alien minds to think about the nature of reality is the world around us
13:17real how can we ever have genuine knowledge of reality or is all this somehow an illusion or a simulation
13:27the simulation hypothesis is simply the hypothesis that we live in a computer simulation to be
13:34understood in a literal sense so not just as a metaphor we can think of atoms as bits kind no
13:40that there is some advanced civilization that constructed a physical computer and then run some
13:47kind of program on that computer and we are one of the information patterns within that the venerable
13:53philosopher rene descartes said how do you know that you're not being fooled by an evil genius who is
14:00stimulating your sensory systems to produce the sense of a world around you when none of this is real well
14:07the contemporary version of that question is just how do you know you're not in a computer simulation
14:12right now where all this would seem real but it isn't yeah the civilization hypothesis does does not
14:18mean to presuppose that the civilization doing the simulating would necessarily be our descendant like
14:27they wouldn't have to be on earth you could imagine extraterrestrial civilizations creating all kinds of
14:31simulations of other extraterrestrial civilizations of their origins or maybe just fantasy simulations
14:39for me i got into this in part because 20 odd years ago just after the matrix movie came out the
14:44wachowskis directed the matrix were into philosophy and they actually signed up a bunch of philosophers
14:50to write philosophically about the movie so i ended up writing an article called the matrix as metaphysics
14:56and the central idea was even if we are living in the matrix all this is still perfectly real so it
15:03would be unlike the matrix in the sense that the brain itself would be part of the simulation as well
15:11that would be the most cost efficient way of producing human experience not to have these
15:16biological organic brains floating in nutrient tanks and then connecting them via some cable to a virtual
15:22reality but just simulate the whole thing you could run many more simulations for the same amount of
15:28dollars at technological maturity if you did it all in silica than then if you had this wetware component
15:33in there as well the traditional idea has been that if we're in a simulation none of this is real
15:39i think i have hands i think there's a table here i think there's a sculpture here many people would
15:46say that if this is a simulation none of that is genuinely real what i want to say is even if we're
16:00in a simulation all this is real i still have hands there's still a table here there's still a sculpture
16:06here it's just that all these things are made at a more fundamental level out of bits out of processes
16:12inside a computer but digital processes are real processes too so i want to say simulation is reality
16:20we don't know that much about the motivations or the psychology of these possible simulators
16:26but we can reflect that if there are many of these civilizations out in the cosmos with the
16:31capability of running simulations it would suffice if only a few of them were still interested
16:36in doing this with even just a small fraction of their resources as soon as you start thinking
16:42about the simulation idea the question comes up who created the simulation is it a god i mean this
16:51simulator is a created reality they're all-powerful all-knowing maybe about this reality that makes
16:57them kind of godlike at the same time the simulator didn't be much like a god at all it might just be a
17:03teenage hacker in the next universe up but 26 dimensional octopus slipped from an entirely different
17:09reality no reason at all to think they're particularly godly
17:22dr michael masters i'm a professor of biological anthropology
17:26i should probably list where i do that huh yeah and author of the book identified flying objects
17:38leading up to now we've seen a lot of different theories proposed that's important to consider
17:43all of these and it's great to see that evolution of this field where it's not just blind acceptance of
17:49one idea but we're asking questions and we're really trying to dig deep into the subject matter
17:54and to figure out the origins of these individuals and their craft obviously the dominant model for
18:00a long time has been the extraterrestrial hypothesis that they come from a different planet somewhere
18:05else around a different solar system likely within our galaxy we see them coming down from the sky our
18:11first gut response would be they must come from those stars but if we look at all of their
18:16characteristics the craft themselves appear to have many qualities that would indicate that
18:21they have the capability of bending back time perhaps it's time to consider other possibilities and
18:27that they are in fact from time rather than space in quantum mechanics and in general relativity
18:34there were phenomena that we couldn't fully understand and characterize now we have the math to
18:39describe it now we have the physics and it's no longer scary to conceptualize time dilation
18:45or the double slit experiment we have math that can predict essentially what the distribution of
18:51say a particle will be like many reports of these fast moving objects is that they sort of almost
18:57pulsate or there's a fluctuation to them as they move possibly skipping through parts of time as they
19:04move through space and looking at the craft themselves and especially the inertial forces if they're
19:10as we see them rapidly shooting across the sky any sort of inertial movement like that is going to
19:17splatter any biological creature against that craft the one hint that i believe helps us in trying to
19:24figure out this mystery is that i believe at least no biological entity would be able to cross such
19:30vast distances they would at the very least require tons of food they would require bathrooms they would have
19:36to require a gravity environment that's the same as their home world there would be so many nuances there
19:42would be long distance times of hundreds of years maybe even thousands or tens of thousands the only
19:48possible way they might be able to do this to survive those forces is by controlling the passage of time and
19:54their relative reference frame inside that craft whereas we see a rapid acceleration it may be a very slow
20:01acceleration to them a great analogy is looking at how different organisms perceive time so when we try
20:08to swat a fly we see it as this fly swatter coming down at a very high rate of speed whereas that fly
20:14because it perceives time with different frames per unit time may see that fly swatter coming down very
20:21slowly and it says i've got to get out of the way of this and it moves out of the way and we feel like we
20:26just missed it and it felt like it had all day to escape so the same thing applies when you talk
20:32about the relativity of time outside of biological organisms as well it makes me think that the things
20:37that we're looking at aren't biological they could be considered life forms just because of that advance
20:43that they can build these things but they may be beyond what we describe as traditional life and how we
20:50describe what's living and what's not living there are a number of reports of close encounters that
20:58would seem to corroborate this time travel model amy rylance who was taken from her home in australia
21:05and was found a short period after but many hundreds of miles away she was taken to the hospital
21:14directly after and the doctors found that the growth of her body hair was consistent with being gone from
21:20multiple days and the lack of food in her stomach was also consistent with that this would indicate
21:27that the discrepancy between how long she was actually missing and how long she reports to have
21:33been gone is best explained in the context of time travel there's also the idea of the direction of time
21:40they could be coming from the past even but what about left in time what about right in time or up in
21:46time or down we can't even conceptualize what that physically looks like but what if this is possible
21:53and somebody has mastered that and they're coming from a time above us rather than in front of us in our future
22:01we cannot judge the intelligence of species in outer space by our yardstick we cannot assume that
22:08they're just a hundred years more advanced than us in which case yeah they can't reach us but if there
22:15are thousands of years ahead of us new laws of physics begin to open up
22:25before my experience at reynoldsham i did not believe in ufos did not believe in that type of phenomena
22:32would try to debunk anything i ever heard about that i thought anybody that would believe in such stuff
22:37it was either whacked out crazy or uh delirious but all that changed after entering the forest that night
22:48it was december 1980 it was the height of the cold war and i was assigned to the twin bases that were
22:55called raf bentwaters and raf woodbridge england and in between those two bases was renister force
23:07it was almost a perfect storm of what makes a ufo case compelling multiple witnesses witnesses were
23:16military personnel the ufo was tracked on radar this was a landing not lights in the sky and all of this
23:22is backed up not just by the say-so of the witnesses but by the government file itself
23:28the night of the incident we were working at midnight shift everything started out normally
23:33uh matter of fact it was rather mundane in the middle of getting my first cup of coffee there
23:38i get a call from central security control csc they said i need to respond to the east gate
23:44once arriving at the east gate i met with staff sergeant steffens he was a senior law enforcement
23:50patrolman and i said what's going on bud and he he seemed shook and he seemed upset he took his finger
23:58and he started pointing over toward rendelson forest and so i looked over there and i says what is that
24:04you know i could see some light like a bubble of light over the canopy of the forest in the darker
24:09part of the forest toward the ground you could see a multiple color lights going on and off while we're
24:14in the middle of that conversation sergeant coffee the senior controller comes back he says be advised he
24:20said i just checked her london radar eastern radar and bentwaters radar and we lost contact with a
24:27bogey some type of craft 15 minutes ago so we had confirmation of a possible aircraft crash but
24:34says no it didn't crash jimmy said it landed as we approach the forest edge i have airman kabanzak
24:41behind me about 150 feet he's in for control point i have airman burrows 25 to 30 feet over here to
24:48my right normally uh you would hear wind through the trees there was no sound at all actually it was
24:55eerily quiet so i couldn't hear like you know forest animals i couldn't hear my my feet on the forest
25:01floor that which had debris on it i started feeling static electricity on my face and my skin my movements
25:08were were labored comparison for that would be like walking through a pool water waist high i look over
25:14my right for about 15 feet around is like a wall of light as we approach the forest edge i'm starting to
25:22see a formation of a craft a triangular and shape i have the feeling as well this cannot be in any jane's
25:31book of aircraft it's not an aircraft that was designed by anything on this planet my emotions are
25:38all over the place they're running from the gambit from being scared to in awe i got my camera i pop it out
25:47i shot as much film as i could i started looking underneath the craft i thought i was curious i
25:54was wondering how is it sitting above the forest floor and when i looked underneath it i could see
25:58nothing but light on it like white light there was three indentions in the ground triangular they were
26:05probably inch inch and a half deep somehow this light created those inventions i thought well maybe it's
26:12still mobile or it can move and i thought i could push the craft to see if it you know if you had a
26:18car out there for example you could push it on the side and you would move you know a half inch or inch
26:23this is solid the skin of the craft it was completely smooth there was no riveting like black glass it was
26:31shiny when i was touching it it was uh warm to touch i later find out it had radiation
26:37i got a glimpse on the side of the craft it looked like writing i'm thinking oh great you know it's
26:44going to say nasa or solid union as i get closer to it it's not uh writing but more pictorial glyphs
26:51drawn on it they measured about three feet wide by five inches high and then on top of those
26:58pictorial glyphs they had a larger glyph that was a triangular one with a bigger circle around it i was
27:05completely baffled none of it's making sense i can't rationalize it it's nothing like i've ever
27:10seen before or even today this craft with radiation expelled all the film on my camera
27:21the craft starts generating more white blue light and i see the craft start going up and it goes up to
27:27the canopy of the forest and it's just sort of momentary how it was there and then makes the right
27:32turn and in a blink of eye it's gone when it took off it didn't have no air displacement it had no
27:39sound it had no sonic boom none of those there's void of those two one of the thoughts i never released
27:45in it not even in the book is i thought that there was a strong possibility the craft was organic the
27:51craft skin itself was metal and all that but it seems organic even the look of it seems organic because
27:57of the structure of the craft itself from their perspective it was definitely non-hostile freely
28:05let me walk around examine it allowed me to take notes allows me to touch it it allows me to have
28:10an exchange with it i think its intentions was to communicate that's why it was there
28:17the u.s navy has finally acknowledged that video is appearing to show ufos flying through the air
28:30are genuine they do in fact show aerial phenomenon the navy cannot explain and then in fact our
28:36understanding of physics cannot explain these are navy pilots this isn't like a farmer who may have no
28:42idea how how a plane is constructed right these are experts baffle on aviation you're right this
28:50is massive news that could shatter our entire conception of the universe and our place in it
28:56the u.s navy has confirmed the existence of unidentified flying objects
29:05my name is kevin day i'm a former operations specialist senior chief my job during the tic-tac
29:10encounter i was the air defense expert assisting the captain of the ship
29:17on or about the 10th of november i went up to combat i noticed these really bizarre radar contacts
29:23on my radar display the reason why i say they were weird is because they were in a group of uh between
29:28five or six at that particular day they were 28 000 feet going 100 knots normally something that high
29:35going that slow is gonna fall out of this guy so i started coordinating with the bridge team because
29:39i wanted them to actually go on the what we call the big eye binoculars and try to find them in the
29:43sky because i wanted some sort of visual information on these things kevin was very adamant about having
29:47me go back and forth uh from the bridge wings talking to my lookouts and and scanning the sky for air
29:53contacts it just wasn't really a job that i needed to be doing i needed to be managing the whole bridge that
29:58night it was really curious to me that kevin was so concerned that the chief on the bridge find the air
30:05contacts i saw a constellation of stars hanging in the sky that just didn't seem to fit they were in
30:10a constellation of five to seven stars hanging approximately 45 degrees in the air and about
30:152 000 feet up off the port bow of the ship and as i lifted the binoculars up to look at them all of the
30:20stars at once began to move counterclockwise and in towards the center these were definitely not
30:27conventional aircraft every single thing that was in that battle space was managed everything was tracked
30:34everything had a name a number and had someone watching it on a scope or making sure that either
30:38got home safe or got disposed of properly it was pretty simple to me that what i was seeing was
30:43unlike anything i'd ever seen before i turned to the lookout to my left and i said did you see that
30:49and he nodded at me with his mouth open and we just looked at each other for a minute and looked back
30:53up at the sky one point sean calls me down to combat he says hey kevin i gotta talk to you man
31:00i'm getting kind of scared up here because this is like an oh shit moment because no one on the
31:04bridge knows what these things are and why aren't you guys doing anything about this i went over to
31:10the aic and i said hey i want you to go ahead and intercept with one of those contacts which just
31:14happened to be commander fravor's flight he says hey sir we've seen these objects they've been
31:22for two weeks they've been coming down and he's given us the whole story he says we need you to go
31:26investigate we want to know what these are water is perfectly calm no white caps i mean it's literally
31:33a perfect san diego california day it's a pretty boring intercept because we have the comms up in
31:38the overhead speaker until it gets to the merge point we hear on the radio is uh charlie i think
31:43we might have a downed aircraft i'm seeing a disturbance of the water down here i'm gonna check
31:47it out it's about the size of a 737 it actually kind of has a shape of like a cross it draws our eyes
31:53we're like oh that's kind of odd the wizzo in the other airplane comes up and says hey skipper
32:00do you and that's about what he gets out of his mouth what we see is this white tic-tac looking
32:05object just above the surface of the water it's about 40 feet long didn't have any markings on it
32:10and it didn't have any wings and it didn't have any rotors and it's just radically moving forward
32:14back left right at will so i said i'm gonna go check it out so i start driving around and it's still
32:18doing its forward back left right we get to about the 12 o'clock position i'm just in a nice easy
32:22descent the tic-tac just kind of rapidly goes and turns so now it mirrors us we're up high we're
32:28coming down it starts coming up we hear on the overhead speaker oh my god oh my god i'm engaged
32:32i'm engaged this is getting interesting so we kind of drive all the way around the circle i'm
32:37descending it's coming up and i get over to about the eight o'clock position of the clock and it's over
32:41at about the two o'clock position and i just kind of drop my nose aggressively and i cut across the
32:45circle because i'm trying to fly to where it's going to be because i want to join on it i want to see how
32:49close i can get and as i'm pulling up it's kind of starting to cross my nose
32:57as i start to pull nose onto it just goes poof and it's gone
33:03i say hey let's turn around and let's go back to see what was
33:06in the water it's gone water's perfectly there's no white water nothing it's just blue
33:11my air intercept controller says uh sir you're not going to believe this but that object
33:16is back at your cap station that was our original point where we were going to hold 40 miles south
33:20of the ship this thing has went from wherever we were at to 60 miles in 30 40 seconds it's already
33:25over there and it just and they didn't track it it just appeared whatever it was was not newtonian
33:31physics it was not classical physics it had to be something else commander fravor's flight's getting
33:38low on fuel so he has to return to the carrier next flight was getting ready to launch so he goes
33:42out on the flight deck and he waves them down he says hey definitely take an airplane with an
33:46at fleer plot on record video that pilot was name was chad underwood the other flights launch off the
33:53nimitz and before i know it i've got all these intercepts going and these contacts are falling
33:57out of the sky at one point it seemed to me that it was raining ufos
34:04he goes to lock it up and immediately the radar can tell it gets signals back that it's being jammed
34:09so and technically jamming is an act of war well he's smart enough to castle to his targeting pod
34:15and he takes a passive track and that's the video that you see of the tic tac where it's just sitting
34:19in the middle of the screen real quiet so as you look at it now in this case you would actually start
34:22to see stuff going on and even in tv mode because you get exhaust you know the black exhaust that comes
34:27out you'll usually be able to see kind of some of that coming out the back and you don't see anything
34:30this thing's just sitting there it's just kind of sitting and all of a sudden off it goes to the left
34:35for something to leave the field of view that fast with the pod just staring it's pretty fast
34:39i mean it just it's like out of here the best airplane in the world right now f-22 raptor
34:44it can't take off like that especially if it's a hover i mean you're talking something that's just
34:49sitting in space in the wind and then it just all of a sudden accelerates airplanes don't work that way
34:53so that's where i say well it's it was observing us it was could have been communicating with whatever
34:58was there my questions are where'd it come from that's that's the biggest one of where'd it come
35:04from what was it doing i don't know if it shifted my perspective but it was more of a
35:10it's a validation you know i've always like oh god there's a lot of stars and then you see something
35:14like this and go well maybe we're not because that pushes you to the next point to go one lands in
35:19my front yard then i'll be 100 sure that we are not alone because it's sitting in my front yard but
35:24i got within a half mile of this thing um which is people go a half mile is pretty far away again
35:30not when you're flying an airplane a half mile is like really tight when the tic-tac footage and
35:34the gimbal footage and the go fast footage were all released they really changed the game for
35:37everybody and listening to the narration of the pilots during the gimbal footage it's even more
35:42astonishing because you can hear the sheer incredulity in their voices
35:46some people have said that maybe these videotapes are hoaxes they're doctored they're not really
36:00real at all well the military itself has finally owned up to the fact that no these videotapes are
36:07real there is something there that seems to be pushing the envelope with regards to the aerodynamics
36:14of these objects in my own mind at least i'm i'm pretty convinced that we had just intercepted a ufo
36:21and oh by the way i was pretty senior i was getting ready to retire and it was my last intercept
36:25my last real world intercept what a hell of a way to end your career right intercept a ufo who does that
36:37the article that i wrote with two colleagues on the front page of the new york times in december
36:45of 2017 was a really big deal it was a had a big impact and that came about because i was called
36:54by some colleagues to meet with lou elizondo who was the former head of a secret government program
37:00a pentagon program studying ufos which nobody knew about and so uh when i'm i met with him
37:07and was given shown a lot of information including some videos took those to the new york times with
37:13my colleague ralph blumenthal and that's how the story started since we exposed the fact that the
37:19department of defense had actually had their own program we're looking into this and had been studying
37:24cases for 10 years it makes it a lot harder for government officials to give really crazy
37:31explanations for cases like they used to do in the day of project blue book now we have the navy proactively
37:37volunteering that not only is this video and these two other videos are they legitimate but by the way
37:44hey we see hundreds of these things all the time and we need help reporting them this is a sea
37:50change in the ufo phenomenon when i saw these videotapes i realized that we were watching actually
37:57something historic it used to be that the burden of proof was on the flying saucer people you saw
38:03something prove it now it shifted now the burden of proof is on the military to prove that these objects
38:11are not something bizarre and strange or perhaps from another planet
38:20that's not something that's not something that's not something that's not something that's not
38:40i started my career in los angeles working on a movie called to the moon and beyond for the new
38:45york world's fair which opened in 1964 and 65 and that film was animated and visual effects and this
38:54film was seen by stanley kubrick and arthur clark who were developing a movie project called journey
39:01beyond the stars which later became titled 2001 a space odyssey and that led to me getting a job
39:07working on some preliminary design for the movie and then actually working on the movie with stanley kubrick
39:12because i worked on 2001 a space odyssey which was about alien contact that led later to working
39:19with steven spielberg to do the visual effects for close encounters of the third kind and i didn't
39:24know when i was working on close encounters that jay allen hynek was who he was i didn't know that
39:31steven spielberg had read a lot of jacques valet's books which led to his writing the screenplay for
39:37close encounters and so in retrospect looking back now with what i do know many of the events
39:43depicted in close encounters might have actually occurred and so i i started thinking of close
39:48encounters as an expensive documentary film when i moved here to the berkshires and started rethinking
39:54my life one of the projects that came to the forefront for me was really starting out as kind of an amateur
40:00astronomer and talking about would it be possible to professionally photograph and validate the
40:07existence of flying aerial phenomena and i started this little project to explore that possibility
40:15and i called it uphotog which meant ufo photography so doug reviewed the uphotog system with me it was a
40:22humvee that had a system inside of it with multiple telescopes multiple instruments that would raise up
40:27on a hydraulic lift out of the roof very dramatic i looked at it and i said to him what he was already
40:33thinking it's a very expensive unit to have it can't get every place there's inaccessible areas that a
40:39large vehicle can't reach and i said why don't we make smaller platters and just distribute those
40:45if you're looking up in the sky with these cameras your first thought is okay was that an insect
40:49was that a bird one way to narrow it down right away is to have more than one of these platters
40:55looking up into the sky and if you have one of these looking up in the sky over here then you
40:59have one view but if you have another one looking up in the sky half a mile away right and it sees
41:04the same thing it's not a localized event it's something farther away because both see it at the
41:10same time and then we can triangulate we can get the speed the course the altitude that's something
41:15that's very important and because each platter will have multiple sensors we'll be able to see for
41:22instance if it emits some gamma rays if the thing shows up only in the infrared or if it only shows
41:28up in the ultraviolet fire off into the blue end of the spectrum that you can't see with your eyes and
41:33depending on the method that they use for propulsion they're going to give off different types of
41:38radiation and extract an image that tells us exactly what it's made out of what materials it's
41:44made out of they can see every rivet they can say well part of its teflon part of its carbon fiber
41:49part of its aluminum part of its mylar they can actually give you a complete inventory of what
41:54it's made out of so i thought well maybe we're going to see something that we've never seen before
41:58maybe it's unanalyzable and maybe it's something else that's right that's what we're going to find
42:03out that's right and that's the golden nugget that that you've photographed as in the aerial anomaly
42:08detection system is all about and we're going to make that data available to everybody this is stuff
42:13that belongs to humanity we've said this over and over again this data belongs to humanity and it goes to
42:18humanity what am i as a physicist supposed to do when someone says they saw something in the night
42:29sky maybe they did maybe they didn't in other words we need something tangible we need a takeaway
42:37we need something that we can say aha here is the smoking gun
42:43to have a real smoking gun where we like maybe even know what the phenomenon is it would have to
42:53be something like we've never seen before something retrieved by our government or even is stashed away
42:59in a private company or crash craft or part of a craft or it could be something the phenomenon does
43:06by itself and i think either one of those things would obviously change everything and and would
43:13probably allow a determination to be made as to what they actually are
43:20part of a craft
43:24i know that it is supposedly from a crash site in new mexico from the saint augustine plains
43:32uh happened in 1947 within weeks of the um supposed roswell crash my team was lucky over the recent four
43:42weeks we were able to acquire materials that i deem exotic
43:56so yeah you have three completely different alloys at least one of these samples shows an extremely
44:15high probability of having carbon nanotubes inside of them and none of the isotopic ratios belong to any
44:22element on earth based on the first lab that looked at this we can say objectively with scientific
44:29certainty that this wasn't created in our solar system
44:35we are literally villagers right now trying to pick apart an iphone in the 16th century
44:42so we know there's more stuff going down at the lower levels the isotopic ratios
44:47we aren't able to see it yet which is what we're hoping to change with the help of caltech
44:52and again if we prove that the isotopes we verify those isotopes this will immediately become an
44:58international treasure a cultural artifact
45:12so
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