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00:00.
00:29Wow.
00:30Thank you so much.
00:32Wow.
00:33You're very kind.
00:35Thank you very much for being here.
00:36Our guest tonight, moments ago, while you were down here waiting patiently, by God, thanks,
00:42I inadvertently pissed him off.
00:43So I just burst into his dressing room.
00:46Bad manners, by the way.
00:48And the guy is there.
00:49He's not wearing a shirt.
00:51And I'm going to have to apologize when the man comes out here because I thought I was
00:55joking.
00:55And this, by the way, is the story of my life.
00:57My mother, David, that's not funny.
01:02Ladies and gentlemen, do me a favor.
01:03Please welcome Michael B. Jordan.
01:06Michael.
01:11How are you doing, man?
01:12Good to see you.
01:21He is so muscular.
01:25Michael, how are you, sir?
01:26Doing good.
01:27How are you?
01:27Well, I'm great now.
01:28And I'm so sorry.
01:29I just got overwhelmed.
01:31I wanted to get this thing going.
01:32And I burst into your room.
01:34No, it was good.
01:34I liked it, man.
01:35Are you sure?
01:35Of course.
01:36Of course.
01:36No, you knew it was me and took your shirt off, right?
01:38No, no, exactly.
01:39I heard you were coming.
01:40I said, you know what?
01:41I got to show him what's what.
01:42You know what I mean?
01:44How are you?
01:44And thank you again.
01:45I'm doing good.
01:46I'm doing great, man.
01:47I love this place.
01:48London has been really good to me.
01:49How long have you been here?
01:50About a year.
01:51A year?
01:52About a year.
01:52I've been in a pre-production on this movie that I'm shooting now.
01:56And so I like to go to a city, go to a country or wherever I'm going to be spending time
02:01and actually live there for a while and kind of take into place.
02:04And I find that helps me inform the story a little bit more in different environments,
02:09different locations and sets and stuff that I want to do.
02:11This seems to be part of what you do as an actor, as a director, and also a producer.
02:15Because I've heard this about other of your projects where you're physically invested
02:19in what's going on.
02:20Yeah.
02:21I'm not a just, you know, punch in, punch out type of guy.
02:24So this particular project I've been developing for about a little over a decade.
02:29And it's really, really personal.
02:30A decade?
02:31Yes, a decade.
02:32Yeah, a long time, man.
02:33About 13 years.
02:34And yeah, yeah, so a long time.
02:36Whoa, okay, we'll come back to this in a minute.
02:38And I'll just, in all honesty, I am kind of a punch in, punch out guy.
02:41Okay, yeah, I mean.
02:43Forgive me, I know this is something you've probably talked about endlessly.
02:47Michael B. Jordan.
02:49Yes, sir.
02:49And the B is?
02:51Bakari.
02:52Bakari.
02:52Yeah.
02:53What is the origin of that name?
02:55Swahili.
02:56Swahili.
02:56Swahili, yeah, it's of Yoruba religion.
03:00And again, it means?
03:02Of noble promise.
03:03Of noble promise.
03:04Wow.
03:04Well, that's perfect for a brand new kid at birth.
03:07I mean, what child doesn't isn't blessed with noble promise?
03:11I think, you know, I think names are important.
03:13You know, I like to live up to that.
03:14That's something that kind of reminds me of my purpose a little bit.
03:17Wow, that already is delightful.
03:20And the B was to distinguish you from?
03:23Michael Jordan, the other guy.
03:24Did somebody say to you, you've got to put a B, you've got to use your B to get it?
03:27Yeah, sad, because they were tired of switching up the checks and all that other stuff.
03:32It was a little tough.
03:33So now, uh, I kind of put you in business.
03:36Yeah, yeah, way back when.
03:39I used to have a nightly talk show, and he was, he was part of a skit or something?
03:44It was a segment, a skit that you did.
03:46They were Litterman's kids, and I was just one of the kids.
03:48When you're first starting out, you know, you get these kind of odd, uh, you know, auditions
04:05or appearances and just opportunities, right?
04:07Odd.
04:08Odd.
04:09You know what I'm saying?
04:09Odd.
04:10It's just something to put on the resume.
04:11You know, you think, you know, you're getting around the right, your right company at the
04:15day.
04:15Something to put on the resume.
04:16Wow.
04:17I mean, at 12, you don't really know exactly.
04:18You don't really know exactly what you're doing, you know?
04:19So how did you get to be 12 and going out and appearing on shows of any variety?
04:24So my mom has, has lupus, right?
04:27I would go with her to her doctor's appointments all the time, and there was this receptionist
04:30that was there who had two boys around, around my age, and, you know, the receptionist
04:34of my mom got friendly.
04:35She was like, you know what, Donna, you should bring, bring your son to these go-sees and
04:39these auditions.
04:40It's easy to, you know, make some extra money.
04:42You know, he gets a chance to kind of get his, you know, see if it's a hobby that he likes,
04:45et cetera, et cetera.
04:46So I go to these go-sees.
04:47Now, had you expressed any interest in this previous to your mom?
04:51Zero.
04:51None.
04:52None whatsoever.
04:53So at this point, what were you, just like a regular kid and sports and school and girls?
04:58All the stuff, you know what I mean?
05:00Cartoons and just regular, regular kid.
05:02And it was just an opportunity for me to try something different.
05:05And I went and didn't have an agent, didn't have any formal representation, didn't have
05:10a clue of what I was doing.
05:11And I pretty much crashed a couple of auditions.
05:16And when you say crashed, you mean you overwhelmed the people hiring you?
05:19No, I mean, I just showed up.
05:21Oh, I see.
05:22Without an appointment.
05:24You're the kid in the lobby.
05:25Exactly.
05:26And I just kind of like broke my name down on the list and they would call me in.
05:28And then they found out afterwards I didn't have any, I wasn't really supposed to be
05:31there, but luckily for me, the first three auditions that I went to, I ended up booking.
05:39As a kid, did you enjoy it?
05:41Yeah, it was fun.
05:42And then once I started to realize, okay, I'm getting paid for this.
05:45Oh, this is a job.
05:46Okay, me booking this job, I get money, I get a chance to, you know, get a toy or at
05:52a young age, understand that I'm helping the house too.
05:55But once you're a child actor, the people say, he'll be fine, let him act.
05:59Uh, no, I mean, my mom was all for it.
06:03My dad wasn't really convinced.
06:05I didn't think he understood or really saw the longevity of entertainment.
06:11You know, it was so far away from, I think, his experience that it was tough for him to
06:14get at a young age.
06:16But once he saw how I conducted myself, I think that was one of the things that kind
06:19of won him over.
06:20That's great.
06:20And what does your dad do?
06:22What did he do then in those days?
06:23My dad's an ex-marine, you know, once a Marine, always a Marine.
06:26But he ran a food bank in New Jersey, in Newark, and right now he's retired.
06:31He lives in Ghana, he's retired.
06:32Tough guy?
06:33Tough guy.
06:34He's a, you always tell him, you know, you always be serious about something.
06:37You know, you got to find something and be serious about it.
06:39And tell me about growing up in Newark.
06:42It's a tough place.
06:42You know, it was and still is, you know, in certain areas, late 90s, early 2000s, you
06:48know what I mean?
06:48It was the car thief capital of the world, you know.
06:50Car thief capital of the world.
06:52Yeah.
06:52Ah, yes, I remember the conventions they would have there.
06:55Yeah, man.
06:56But, I mean, Newark is, I mean, it's a beautiful place, man.
06:58It shaped and molded me for who I was.
07:00And, yeah, it was tough, but it kind of, it gave you that, you know, it gave you a thick
07:03skin and it made you, you know, be able to adapt and kind of survive in your environment
07:09a little bit.
07:09And, you know, you understand what those winters were like when, you know, you slept in the
07:12kitchen with the oven open, you know what I'm saying?
07:14And one of those, you know, it was very extreme, you know, conditions at times.
07:19But I think having amazing parents, they hide the circumstances really well.
07:23I think as a kid, you're not supposed to know, you know, that things are tough, you
07:26know?
07:26And I think my mom and dad did a great job at that.
07:29It's a beautiful place, too, man.
07:31Tons of parks, you know, my teachers, my schools.
07:33I think, like, growing up in Newark and being able to see the skyline of New York was a big
07:37motivator for me.
07:39Now, here's something I understand, but it sounds different than the understanding of it.
07:44You lived in the home with your parents until you were 32, but not the one in New Jersey.
07:52I mean, the way you word that sounds weird, but when I moved to L.A., I bought a home
07:58and my parents moved in.
08:00So we lived together for quite some time.
08:03And then I moved out.
08:05Oh, then you moved out.
08:06But there's no judgment here.
08:07I think that's delightful because I have a son, and I would wish that he would live
08:13with me till I leave.
08:16Leave the house?
08:17Yeah, leave the house.
08:19Leave the big house.
08:21The big house.
08:21Okay.
08:25Okay, let's go here.
08:26Let's go ahead.
08:27I used to do this when I was drunk.
08:29Oh, that's not a good start.
08:31Now, wait a minute.
08:31Let's enjoy that moment.
08:33Mr. Big Shot bounced one off the wall.
08:35Yeah, I'm glad to get a little bored back there.
08:38Okay, go ahead, sir.
08:39We're going to overlook that.
08:39That didn't count?
08:40No.
08:42No, oddly enough, that was...
08:43Holy shit!
08:44See?
08:45God dang.
08:46I come back.
08:47Come back strong.
08:48Oh, my God.
08:48Yeah, nice going.
08:50Do you have any free time here?
08:52Not so much.
08:53I'm usually just prepping for the next day.
08:54My life is pretty boring outside of this movie.
08:57It keeps me busy.
08:59Yeah, you think it's boring.
09:00You ought to follow me around.
09:01Oh, come on, man.
09:02It sounds like you get out and about.
09:04Yeah, me and the wife are on errands.
09:07You're not married, are you?
09:08No, man.
09:09Here's a day at my house.
09:10Honey?
09:11Yeah, what is it?
09:12We're out of celery.
09:15Okay, then we go buy celery.
09:17No pets?
09:18I am on the edge.
09:19No pets?
09:20Oh, oh, two of the best dogs ever gone.
09:25Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
09:26Pets for you?
09:27Nah.
09:27I wanted to start off small.
09:29I want children.
09:30I wanted kids one day.
09:32But I figured I'd start off with, like, plants and dogs to see if I can, like, you know.
09:36I see.
09:37Plants, dogs, humans.
09:39Humans, that is.
09:39You know what I'm saying?
09:40If I can take care of a plant, I should be able to get a dog.
09:42Yeah, let's take care of the dog.
09:43If the dog's cool, then, you know, I have a shot.
09:45You will love it.
09:46And I'll be wondering what took me so long, right?
09:49No, you're right on schedule.
09:50If I waited too long, you know, I'm 100.
09:54Man, I enjoy kicking it with you, man.
09:56I could have a meal and a drink with you any day.
09:58So, if I were to come to your house, I know there's not a chance in hell that's going to happen.
10:02But if you did.
10:04Yeah, if I did.
10:04I would definitely cook you a meal.
10:06Oh, cool.
10:06Yeah, for sure.
10:07Well, that's darn nice of you.
10:07I mean, that's a love language, you know?
10:09It's a, you know, when people come over, you cook them a meal.
10:12Boy, when you get it right, it's thrilling, isn't it?
10:14I've been on sauces lately.
10:16Vodka sauces or pestos, marinara, spicy marinara.
10:20Yeah, I mean, I met me.
10:21I went through a phase when I cooked, and I loved it.
10:23Yeah.
10:23And I was pretty good at it, and I got the Marcello Hazan, his Italian cookbooks.
10:27It's just, it's A, B, C, bang.
10:29You're sitting down, getting fat.
10:31When somebody tastes your food, and they love it, and they love the way it tastes, it's
10:34like, it's a, it's therapeutic.
10:39Going back to the beginning, what was the first significant turning point?
10:44Once you got beyond being on my show.
10:47Once I got past yours, it was, I was out of here.
10:51That lit the fire.
10:52That was it.
10:53I did this movie called Hardball in Chicago in 2001 with Keanu Reeves.
10:57Listen, they know that you changed your birth certificate.
10:59I can't let you play.
11:01Well, my mom said it was okay.
11:02They just want to play.
11:04After I did Hardball and this show called The Wire.
11:08Where's your book bag?
11:09Cheech ain't getting no homework.
11:10All the right people watched that show.
11:12You know, I think all the producers and the executives in Hollywood really, you know, loved
11:17the show.
11:18It didn't get a lot of love while it was on the air.
11:20But afterwards, it became, it became a fan favorite and an industry favorite for quite
11:24some time.
11:24And I think that was the thing that really pushed me to like, okay, maybe I could do
11:32something.
11:32You know, and a lot of the other actors too, Idris and Dominic West, pulled me to decide,
11:36Mike, if you really focus on this thing and you kind of, you know, you take this thing
11:40seriously, you can have a career.
11:42And I think just remembering those conversations when I was young kind of motivated me to keep
11:46it going a little bit.
11:47Are you still pals with these people?
11:49Big time.
11:50We're really tight.
11:50We feel like we're part of a fraternity for sure.
11:52And how old were you when you were on that show?
11:54Uh, I was 15.
11:58I mean, I, and I'm speaking to this because I've recently seen it.
12:00Mm.
12:01Uh, and I was just, uh, jaw dropping stunned.
12:05Uh, and I thought this kid had a lot of acting classes.
12:10Did you have any acting classes?
12:11No, I never, I never went to acting school.
12:13No, no, no, never went to acting school.
12:14No, I went to a high school.
12:15I went to a performing arts high school, but, um, where I would take drama, drama classes,
12:20like, uh, but I never went to like acting classes.
12:23You hear actors talk about, uh, I, I work from experience.
12:27I've experienced, I've seen, I've done, I've been there.
12:29But at 15, you've really, you, you had done nothing.
12:33You were a 15 year old kid.
12:35I'm imitating my environment at that point.
12:36It's Baltimore, inner cities, Newark, you know, inner cities.
12:40It's like, I mean, they're, they're all, you know, similar in their own ways, different
12:42for sure.
12:43But, but I think, I think understanding, you know, that culture wasn't, you know, foreign
12:49by any means.
12:50Well, then that answers the question.
12:52This comes to you.
12:53This is of you naturally.
12:56Uh, so I'm, I'm watching the end of your run on, uh, The Wire.
13:00Okay.
13:00And you were, you were on, was it the first year?
13:02First, first season, yeah.
13:03So it's time for you to leave the show.
13:05Yeah.
13:06Did you, do you have an understanding of what the, your plot line, what your character
13:09and such?
13:10You must have, right?
13:10I mean, I think every week you would get a new episode.
13:13So, so, you know, once, once you realized that people were dying, characters would get
13:18killed off every week, you would just get the script and just skim through to make sure
13:22your, your, your name, your name was still in there, you know?
13:25And then once you saw your name at the end, you didn't die, you're like, okay, cool.
13:27Now I can go back and like, and like read it.
13:30And I remember, you know, David Simon came and knocked on my trailer door and was like,
13:33listen, we love you.
13:34Everybody loves you.
13:35The fans love you.
13:36And that's why we got to kill you.
13:38You know?
13:38Uh, I had to leave the room.
13:42Yeah.
13:42It's so difficult to watch.
13:44You put this on yourself.
13:46Ain't gotta be like this, huh?
13:49Yeah, it was, it was, uh, difficult.
13:51That was, that was a tough episode.
13:52We shot that scene for about, man, it's like, it had to be like nine hours, man.
13:57We, you know, the sun was coming up.
13:58They ended up having to black out the windows because we were shooting it for so long.
14:02Is that right?
14:02Yeah, more than that.
14:03We ran out of squibs for the shirt, you know, we were out, you know, they had to put on the
14:07old squibs.
14:08Don't you hate it when they run out of squibs?
14:10I hate it.
14:10You folks have plenty of squibs?
14:13So squibs is basically like the blood packs that are hooked up to a small explosive.
14:17So when the gunshots assimilates to, you know, the blood in the shirt and, and, you know.
14:21How do you like that?
14:23I mean, I think there's a, I mean, listen, I play video games and watch action movies and
14:28stuff like that.
14:29So I think there's a part of it that's a bit fun.
14:31And, and, and, and, and, and then there's a, you know, there's a, a sadness in a, in
14:40a, an emotional weight.
14:43Because of the symbolism, the physical and emotional.
14:47You, it was the first project where I think the lines were blurred for me in a performance.
14:54Um, my mom was on set, funny story, she was on set.
14:57And, uh, in the middle of the scene, I just hear sobbing, I hear crying, you know what
15:03I'm saying?
15:03And my, my, my mom is like bawling and I'm just like, and at the time, I'm just like,
15:07mom, please, please, please, get her, get her out of here, get her out of here.
15:13So yeah, I was sad to go.
15:14I was crying when I, when I left because I, I didn't think I was going to act anymore.
15:18I was like, I'm never going to do this again.
15:20You know, we were doing big family stuff.
15:20Now that was, that would have been something.
15:22Yeah.
15:22If you do that performance and you're done.
15:25That's it.
15:25Oh man.
15:26It was, uh, it was, that was a real fear at the time.
15:29But, um, I knew, I knew, um, and then I went to All My Children.
15:32I did a soap opera after that.
15:33Yes, why not?
15:34All My Children.
15:35Right?
15:35And what did you do on All My Children?
15:36I was, uh, um, Susan Lucci's, uh, son.
15:40I was Reggie Montgomery.
15:41Find a Reggie.
15:43Bring my baby home.
15:44I would, I would like to say that's probably, that was probably my acting class.
15:51We would do a hundred plus pages a day.
15:55Oh my goodness.
15:55Five, five days a week.
15:57And, and it, just the amount of material and dialogue and professionalism and having to
16:03know your shit.
16:04Was that all live or was that a tape?
16:07It was tape, but it would air the next day.
16:09The next day.
16:09You know what I'm saying?
16:10So it was, it was like, you know, one after another.
16:13And the first, I don't know, the first time maybe not being prepared and not what, knowing
16:18my stuff as, as well as I should have and seeing that on television the next day and
16:24being like, oh, that's what I look like?
16:25That's crazy.
16:26And I think that fear of, of, of not being on point kind of drove me to always have my
16:34stuff together.
16:35This is ridiculous, but I'm going to do it anyway.
16:37Anyway, was, was there a comparable scene to what you did on The Wire?
16:42Uh, no, I mean, maybe.
16:46No, really?
16:47Maybe.
16:48Only because like Reggie was like a troubled youth.
16:50I mean, he was a typical black, you know, thug kid, you know what I'm saying?
16:53That had a heart on like a soap opera at the time.
16:55Listen, my, you're a big, big, all right?
16:57You're in there sobbing your eyes out to your father and making them think you're sorry
17:01when you know you're not.
17:02Listen, you know, those characters, um, you know.
17:07Were very one dimensional, you know, at that time.
17:12And, and I think for me taking stereotypical characters on the page and giving a certain
17:19empathy to them allowed me to not be typecast and like locked into, you know, you know, what,
17:28what was on the page all the time.
17:30And I, and I think making a lot out of a little was something that, that, that took things
17:35to the next level for me.
17:36Hey, I'm going to tell a story from my experience.
17:39Yeah, yeah.
17:40The nascent part of show business for me.
17:42Okay.
17:43Um, I went to California.
17:44I was 27 years old.
17:46And in those days you wanted to get on the tonight show, uh, for five or six minutes.
17:51And then the hope beyond that was you get cast in a situation comedy.
17:55Okay.
17:56So long before I'd been on the tonight show, my manager at the time said, okay, we have
18:02a part.
18:02They, they would like you to go out and read for this part.
18:05And I, I said, uh, okay, I don't, don't really act, but okay.
18:10And it was for, um, uh, Saturday Night Fever.
18:13Okay.
18:13Yeah.
18:14They were going to make it into a television show.
18:16Okay.
18:16So I look at it and it's, it's me and I'm, I'm playing the, uh, the, the, the main role,
18:22the, you know, the, uh, uh, you know, and, uh, I'm getting ready to go out on a, on a date.
18:27Okay.
18:28And so they want me combing my hair in front of the mirror, shaving and whatever else.
18:33And the whole time I'm dancing.
18:36Okay.
18:37Yeah.
18:37Okay.
18:38So I read this and I just, uh, I, I folded the script up and I went back up to the, the
18:44audition director, producer, and I said, you know what?
18:47Uh, I just forgot my car is still running.
18:51You never auditioned for it?
18:52No, this was the John Travolta was the TV part that I was on.
18:56No, of course I didn't audition.
18:57Listen, let me tell you something.
18:59If I had auditioned for it, I would have nailed it.
19:01That's what I'm talking about.
19:02Oh, boy.
19:04That's the confidence you got to have when you walk in there.
19:06But yeah, but the, the, the example is you do say yes to everything.
19:10And I thought, okay, I'll try it.
19:12But oh, for the love of God.
19:15It's tough, man.
19:16It's tough, man.
19:17That's another like misconception.
19:19You know, when you're, you're, you're first starting out in acting and that you have a lot
19:24of choices, you know, I think you have the, you always have the power of no.
19:27The power of no is great.
19:29I think that comes later.
19:30You do what you got to do until you do what you want to do, you know, for, you know,
19:32Oh, that's wise.
19:33Very wise.
19:34A little bit.
19:35And, and, uh, fortunately enough, the things that I, that I did and the roles that I got
19:39always kind of pushed me to the next level.
19:41Yeah.
19:41I'll say that.
19:42Uh, now, uh, so Friday Night Lights then comes after Days of Our Lives.
19:46Is that the way?
19:46All My Children.
19:47Yep.
19:47Right after that.
19:47Oh, I'm sorry.
19:48Oh, my children.
19:48No, it's all good.
19:49Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:49I simply asked you to keep your mouth shut.
19:52I, I tried, but.
19:56I'm sorry.
20:00I'm gonna, I'm gonna run.
20:01Okay.
20:01So you have The Wire on your resume.
20:03Yeah.
20:03And now you have Friday Night Lights.
20:05These are two of the high, most highly regarded television efforts in the, in the last 20 years.
20:10They're up there.
20:11That's right.
20:11They're up there.
20:12Yeah, they're up there big time.
20:13At some point, I read that you were quoted as saying, do I want to be a television actor?
20:18Do I want to be a film actor?
20:19I do perceive a difference in stage acting.
20:22Television, depending on the, the story and the project, to film acting, not certain.
20:27I know that the difference is there.
20:29Yeah, there's, there's a, there's a difference for sure.
20:32TV is, people get a chance to tune in every week and see you.
20:37You know, they get to grow with you.
20:38Um, so there's a, there's an attachment to, to a character, to an actor.
20:42Right.
20:42Um, that you, that you have.
20:44And, and then when it comes to film, I feel like we're asking people to get a babysitter,
20:48get dressed, get in the car, drive to a theater, sit down and, and watch you in a shared space.
20:54Um, that, that on a big screen.
20:56We see examples from time to time.
20:58People see somebody who has a breakout career on television.
21:01Bang, zoom, we can hardly wait to put them on the big screen and it doesn't work.
21:04What, is that just bad luck or is that chemistry or something more thoughtful?
21:08I'm, I'm, I'm not quite sure.
21:10I think it's whatever that thing is, whatever it is, um, that some people have.
21:15Well, you and I both have it.
21:16We have to think.
21:17We have to think, you know?
21:18Something else I remember reading about you.
21:19You didn't know if you would be capable of carrying a film.
21:23You were concerned that you wouldn't have that heft to actually do that.
21:26I've only done ensemble movies up until that point, you know, and, and, and being on television.
21:30That self-confidence, that imposter syndrome, that, that, that self-doubt, that, that whatever
21:36it is of, uh, can I, can I do this thing?
21:39And that fear and that, that, that motivation and that, that healthy fear, I think, and, and
21:44that I think evolved and fortified and cured into confidence and, and like walking your
21:50path, you know?
21:50So, and it's a job and profession that your success depends on what other people think
21:57of you.
21:58It's not always how good you are or how talented you are.
22:03It's, it's the opportunity and it's the, you know, it's a lot of things that's outside
22:08of your control.
22:09And that's, that's the, that's the.
22:10That's right.
22:11The variables are infinite.
22:12Big time.
22:12Uh, let's talk a little bit about Fruitvale Station.
22:15It's a true story.
22:19True story.
22:20True story.
22:21Uh, Oscar Grant, uh, gunned down in a subway or the BART station.
22:26BART train station, yeah.
22:27Okay.
22:28So you, I don't know if you still are in touch or part of that family, but you became part
22:33of that experience.
22:34Big time.
22:35In what form?
22:36It was, uh, I had to get to know a guy through, that's no longer with us, through his family
22:43and his friends and they, they blessed me and even portraying him because they were
22:48big fans of the wire, you know?
22:50So, so that, that, that.
22:50Oh, so they knew, they knew your work.
22:52They did.
22:52They knew Wallace.
22:54And then you became a surrogate?
22:56Yeah, a little bit, man.
22:57I mean, you know, I took it seriously and, um, and they did too, you know, and it wasn't
23:02like some filmmaker coming from some other place trying to tell the story.
23:06You know, Ryan Coogler was from their own backyard.
23:08Does this go through your mind as you're doing your job daily that I don't want to
23:12betray the relationship that I've created with these people?
23:16Oh, 100%.
23:16So you keep it as honest as possible?
23:19100%.
23:20And I have a director that's always going to keep, make sure I'm, I'm, I'm in that
23:23pocket.
23:24He was the first director that wrote a, a, a part for me, that wrote a movie specifically
23:30for me, you know?
23:31So we kind of locked arms in, in, in partnership around that project.
23:35Like, and I didn't know I was getting a brother, you know, as well.
23:38And at the same time, a lot of pride went into that, you know, to shine lights on, on
23:43these stories like Oscar Grant that, you know, seem to happen, you know, too often, too
23:48frequently and for too long.
23:50I mean, that's the power of cinema, you know, is, is to help provoke thought, change thought,
23:55um, change perspective on things.
23:58And, you know, I'd like to think that Fruitvale Station was a part of that conversation early
24:03on.
24:03And an authentic document.
24:04Big time.
24:05Yeah.
24:05Uh, and, and, and the, the, the scene, the final scene is so faithful to the actual video.
24:11It is.
24:12Talk about another difficult day at work.
24:14You want to do it, you feel me?
24:15We need to try and get home.
24:16We need to try and get home.
24:16We need to try and get home.
24:16We need to try and get home.
24:17We shot that scene at the same train station over the same tile brick that he got, that he
24:27got shot and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and murdered, you know, um, over.
24:32So it was, it was definitely a, a very, you know, spiritual and, and, and, and heavy, you
24:39know, moment.
24:40You know, many takes for that?
24:41No, we only did like two, I think.
24:42Wow.
24:43You know, it was, you could still, at the time, you could still see the indentation
24:48of the bullet mark on the, on the, on the brick.
24:50So it was like literally the exact same spot.
24:53It was heavy, you know, it was a heavy, heavy situation, you know, and, and, um, something
24:58I'm really, really proud that I got a chance to, to tell that story.
25:01Um, let's talk about, uh, Creed, Sylvester Stallone.
25:05Come on, Creed.
25:06Come on.
25:07Come on.
25:08Come on.
25:09Creed spins.
25:10Puts the champ in the corner.
25:11Body, body.
25:12Throwing body shots like he's Rocky Balboa.
25:15Go upstairs like he's Apollo Creed.
25:17I love you there.
25:19Closing seconds of the fight.
25:21The information I had was, uh, Ryan Coogler, your director said, you're not ready to fight.
25:27Go find a gym in Philadelphia.
25:29Move to Philadelphia, go to work each day in a, in a gym and become a fighter.
25:34Is, is any of that true or is that just publicity for the film?
25:37Uh, that's true.
25:39You know, he's buddies with Andre Ward, champion, retired now.
25:43A, a fighter.
25:44A fighter.
25:45Yeah, yeah.
25:46And, um, I worked out with him a bunch to kind of get.
25:48What is a workout with a guy like that?
25:50I mean, you spend a lot of time looking at the ceiling because you keep getting punched
25:54in your face.
25:55So, I remember vividly what the top of that gym looks like.
25:59But, you know, movie stars are supposed to have fun.
26:01You're not supposed to be hit.
26:02Yeah, but, but I wanted, you know, I'm a glutton for punishment.
26:05I like to do things, you know, I like to, I like to experience it because I, I wanted
26:10the confidence knowing that I got in that ring that, you know, I mean, I got broken knuckles.
26:14I got, I mean, I've, I've, I mean, my hands are permanently swollen sometimes.
26:17It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, uh, you know, I, I, when I stepped on, on set, I wanted to
26:24know within myself that I did the work.
26:29So, were you ever in a fist fight in your life?
26:32Yeah.
26:33Yeah.
26:34So, this was not.
26:35Lost, lost a few too, you know.
26:36I was in three fights and I lost all three.
26:38Okay.
26:39I know by looking at me, you don't believe it.
26:41Again, I don't want to dwell on having seen you without your shirt.
26:45What, have you looked like that all your life?
26:50No.
26:52Was it the boxing films that put you in this kind of shape?
26:54Yeah.
26:55Creed was the first time I kind of transformed my body, you know, and I got the opportunity
26:58to really like be seen, you know, as a young man.
27:01Right.
27:02You know, I think a lot of roles has been, you know, teenage, high school, stuff like
27:05that.
27:06But let's just say a guy like me wanted to look like that.
27:08Where would that guy start?
27:10Start by, I would say eat more.
27:12Eat more.
27:13Okay, good.
27:14Uh.
27:15Heavy bag or the speed bag?
27:17For you?
27:18Yeah.
27:19Speed bag?
27:20Start with the speed bag.
27:21Were you able to get that thing like that?
27:23That's fantastic.
27:24Yeah, yeah, that's fun.
27:25That's fun.
27:26It looks like great fun, but there, it's like-
27:27It's frustrating.
27:28Yes, I would think so.
27:29You see people work the speed bag and they're very good.
27:31You seldom see that in the ring.
27:34Yeah, I don't think that technique will work in the ring.
27:38No, no, not at all.
27:39And this is what you alluded to earlier, you've been in preparation pre-production for this movie
27:43here that you're shooting in London, which is Thomas Crown Affair.
27:46Correct.
27:47Steve McQueen, the original Thomas Crown Affair.
27:49Correct.
27:50Pierce Brosnan, a remake of the Crown Affair.
27:52Correct.
27:53Why now a third version of the Thomas Crown Affair?
27:55I saw Brosnan's version back when I was 14, 15, and I kind of fell in love with the movie
28:02as a whole.
28:03Updated?
28:04Updated?
28:05Yeah.
28:06Mine's more of a re-imagining.
28:07Did you rewrite the screenplay?
28:08I did.
28:09I did.
28:10Me and a few other writers, we kind of trying to find the right stakes.
28:14I think the other two films, and I love them.
28:18You know, a guy that was a little bored, you know, stealing for fun, and wanted to add
28:24a little bit more weight to it, a little more stakes.
28:26First of all, why do actors want to direct?
28:29Because I think they're getting tired of being told what to do.
28:33Here's what I understand about directing from people who are directors.
28:37You're responsible for everything, including where you park and what we're having for lunch.
28:42Yeah.
28:43Doesn't that weary a person?
28:45A little bit.
28:46I think for me, I had a point of view.
28:49I've been on enough sets where, you know, you start to see things, oh man, what if the
28:54shot started over here, that would be a cool shot, that's something I would want to see.
28:58And then you know the character so well, to have somebody else come in and tell you how
29:05this character should be, or think, or walk, or talk, that, you know, that could be a bit
29:11difficult at times.
29:12Uh, so when will we see the Thomas Crown Affair?
29:14Uh, March 2027.
29:15Okay, I'll be there.
29:17Your first directorial effort was Creed III.
29:19Creed III, yeah, yeah, the last installment.
29:28When you're the director and the star, do you ever fight with yourself?
29:31All the time.
29:33All the time.
29:34All the time.
29:35Yeah, it's difficult and it's a challenge, but I love it.
29:38And when it comes to directing yourself, at times it could be a cheat code because I can
29:44direct with my performance and save time.
29:47You know, if I need to get a performance out of you or a reaction that I know I need,
29:52I'm going to say a certain thing.
29:54I'm going to do something in the scene to get that reaction out of you.
29:58If I know, you know, where your camera is set up, because I know the shot, for whatever
30:03reason, if you're not in the best light, I can just simply walk up stage and you're
30:09going to naturally, you know, turn your face into the light that I need.
30:14So there's certain elements, instead of me having to cut, go back to the monitors,
30:19look at it, break momentum.
30:21I can just make subtle adjustments with my performance that gives me exactly what I need.
30:26And I'm looking at it, like I'm listening to the performance.
30:29But when you're directing Creed III, and you're fighting in the film, you're boxing in the
30:36film, who's...
30:38That's the most fun.
30:40Really?
30:41Yeah, that's the most fun.
30:42I've heard it described as, it's like rehearsing a dance.
30:45Is it that?
30:46Big time.
30:47Accurate?
30:48Yeah, it is, for sure.
30:49And you know the dance moves, and you know the right moves.
30:50But then there's also moments in boxing where there's improv.
30:54Oh, that's where people get hurt.
30:57Definitely.
30:58You know what I'm saying?
30:59I was having to see this delightful footage, and the setup of the footage, you go ahead
31:04and set it up.
31:05When did this happen?
31:06What film?
31:07This is Creed I.
31:08This is Creed I, and it gets to the part of the fight where Creed's getting knocked
31:14out.
31:15It's a super slow-mo shot.
31:16And in slow-mo, it can't be a miss.
31:19You know, you can't fake it with camera angles, you know?
31:22That used to be the way it was.
31:23Yeah.
31:24You get close, and you're like four inches from a guy.
31:26Yeah, exactly.
31:27And it sells, and you sell, you know, sound effects.
31:29And you know, and we tried it a couple times with Tony, who Tony Bellew, who's the actual
31:36pro fighter.
31:37And he's a pro fighter.
31:38And Sly's in the corner, just kind of shaking his head like, mm-mm, mm-mm, mm-mm.
31:42And everybody's like, what?
31:43You know, he's like, kid's gotta take it.
31:45He's like, what do you mean, kid's gotta take it?
31:46I'm like, what?
31:47He's gotta take a real punch.
31:49And to hear him say that, you know, you gotta step up to the challenge.
31:53So we set up the camera, and I was like, look, Tony, just give me 60%.
31:59Just take a little bit off it.
32:01And he ends up giving me a real punch.
32:03Where did he land?
32:04Yeah, right here.
32:05Background watching, and action.
32:09The first time he hit me, everybody, because I'm supposed to get knocked out, and then
32:18I'm supposed to be down for, like, a little bit of time.
32:23Then I'm supposed to, like, snap out of it.
32:25Sure.
32:26Just shake it off.
32:27Yeah, right?
32:28And then, you know, the Rocky music starts playing, and, you know, he pops up, the whole
32:32shit.
32:33And then I get hit.
32:34I'm out.
32:35I'm acting out.
32:36I'm a little woozy, but I'm out.
32:37So you're not really unconscious.
32:39I'm not really unconscious, but the way I landed, everybody thought I was.
32:43And I can hear them, but I'm supposed to be knocked out, right?
32:46So if I can hear everybody whispering and shit, like, oh shit, oh shit, is he good?
32:49They're like, should we cut?
32:50Should we cut?
32:51And in the back of my head, I was like, don't fucking cut.
32:53Don't fucking cut.
32:54Right?
32:55And then they ended up cutting, because they thought I was really hurt.
32:57You know what I'm saying?
32:58So then I was like, I'm like, damn, I'm good.
33:00I was fine.
33:01Then it was like, okay, we gotta do it again.
33:04So we ran it back, and we did it again.
33:07And the next day, I felt like I was in a car accident.
33:10Yeah.
33:11It was, yeah, it was some pretty bad work.
33:13When I watched this, I loved it, because it's perfect comedy.
33:18Why do you say that?
33:19Without respect to the setup, it connects.
33:23Boom.
33:24I'm out.
33:25You are down.
33:26Down.
33:27Like a tree in the forest.
33:28Down.
33:29Bam.
33:30And it's, I'm sorry, but it's hilarious.
33:31No, no, no.
33:32When I look at it, I laugh too, because the sound, and then like, you know, the next night,
33:36the spit's going everywhere.
33:38It was, it was, yeah, it was a moment.
33:42Do you have any fun?
33:43Do you have any time off?
33:44Or the fun is the work?
33:45The fun, the fun is the work on this one.
33:47You know what I mean?
33:48I watch anime.
33:49I watch anime.
33:50Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:51This is a big part of your life.
33:52Anime is.
33:53Now guess what?
33:54I have no idea what that is.
33:55It was animation.
33:57Like animated movies and television shows and stuff like that.
34:00And I associate this with Japan?
34:01Is it mostly Japanese?
34:02You do.
34:03Most Japanese, but you got like a lot of, you know, Korean, Japanese that are coming up.
34:06Chinese anime.
34:07And why is that a part of your life?
34:09As a kid, you know, it started out like, you know, the Marvel comics and comic books.
34:13Yeah.
34:14Saturday morning cartoons, and that kind of evolved into Japanese animation.
34:18And you carry it with you in the creative process?
34:20Big time.
34:21Really?
34:22What is the movie in the movie?
34:23And then our scene in the movie.
34:24And then our scene in the movie was inspired by moments in anime.
34:36Now, I'm under the impression that you have something to do with a soccer team?
34:39Yes.
34:40Bournemouth Cherries, I invested in a team out here.
34:43All right.
34:44And we've actually been doing really, really well the last few seasons.
34:47You know, I'm part owner on an IndyCar team.
34:50Nice.
34:51600 horsepower.
34:52No, no, I'm not as stupid as I look.
34:54No, come on.
34:55But you like to drive for fun, right?
34:56No?
34:57I do like to drive for fun.
34:59Yeah, but no, I know better than to do that.
35:01Have you ever been in a race car?
35:02I have.
35:03Scared the crap out of yourself?
35:041,000%.
35:05Lewis Hamilton drove me around Silverstone.
35:08Oh, that must be special.
35:09And reassembled my skeletal structure.
35:12But at one point, we're in a section of the track,
35:14and Lewis is doubled over in laughter.
35:16So he stops on the track.
35:18Yeah.
35:18We get out, and he's like a kid jumping up and down.
35:20The brakes are on fire.
35:22You've cooked the brakes.
35:24Yes.
35:25Yes.
35:26They're on fire.
35:28Oh, crap.
35:29They're on fire.
35:29Yeah, you can't duplicate life experiences like that.
35:32Lewis is a special driver, man.
35:34He's incredible.
35:35Have you spent time with a kid?
35:36I have.
35:36I have.
35:37We actually play Call of Duty every once in a while
35:40when we're online together.
35:40Oh, is that right?
35:41Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:42Whoa.
35:43Pretty cool.
35:44That's one of those things where, like,
35:45you have friends that are doing a lot of different things,
35:48and you're never in the same place, like video games,
35:50weirdly enough, brings people together.
35:54You know, I've never played a video game in my life.
35:56Pac-Man?
35:57Okay, Pac-Man.
35:58See, I knew I was going to catch you on something.
36:00I knew I was going to catch you on something.
36:01That's right.
36:01I was probably 20 years old.
36:05Let's talk about Black Panther.
36:07Only reason I don't kill you how you stand
36:09and it's because I know who you are.
36:12Now what do you want?
36:15I want the throne.
36:18Chad was a huge, huge impact on me
36:25and something that, you know,
36:28I wish I cherished more of when he was here.
36:32Funny story was,
36:34and I didn't really realize this until years later,
36:37it kind of hit me and dawned on me
36:38that on All My Children,
36:40he played Reggie Montgomery before me.
36:43No kidding?
36:44No kidding.
36:44Damn right.
36:45I can take care of myself.
36:46Yeah, we can all see that.
36:47But I don't need your charity.
36:48I remember the first day on set,
36:52you know, he was leaving
36:54and I was walking in
36:56and actually had the same dressing room at him.
37:01And I didn't realize that until years later.
37:04And that's just a weird thing that we had.
37:08I always wonder about things like that.
37:11You know, because how does that happen?
37:13Why does it happen?
37:14It can't all just be pointless coincidence, can it?
37:18I don't believe so.
37:20Yeah.
37:20We're tied together, you know, forever.
37:23Yeah.
37:24You know, and I think, I think, um,
37:27you know, even back then when you didn't know it,
37:31those threads were intertwined.
37:33It's fascinating.
37:34Yeah, it's one of the things that made me smile.
37:36You know, thinking back at it,
37:37it was like, wow, it was crazy.
37:38And, and, you know, you wish you had more time,
37:40you know, with someone and more opportunities.
37:43And the one that really spoke to me
37:45was Jackie Robinson, 42.
37:47Give me something I can hit.
37:49You want it?
37:50What are you afraid of?
37:51What a role, what a part.
37:53Uh, talk, talk about a document.
37:56Yeah, that, that's so funny.
37:57It's another, another, another, another moment
37:59between the two of us because, you know,
38:01I was, I auditioned for that one as well,
38:04you know, and, I mean, that speaks to a bigger thing,
38:06you know, of, there's not a lot of roles
38:09that come around for the amount of talent
38:12that exists, you know, um, of, of, uh, black actors.
38:16And usually, you know, when the,
38:19when a good role comes out or around,
38:21everybody's gunning for it.
38:22And it creates a competition
38:24that at times could be, you know, unhealthy.
38:27But during those years,
38:28when there's not as, as many rich characters to play,
38:31you know, it could create a, I don't know, a tension.
38:34And that was something that, you know,
38:37I always was aware of, but always tried to water down,
38:43which also sparked the need of creation
38:46and, and entrepreneurship and build,
38:48and building more of the things that,
38:50and opportunities.
38:51I, my sense from you,
38:52the craft is the thing that drives you.
38:55Yes.
38:55I enjoy having an idea and bringing that to life,
38:59no matter what that is.
39:00Yeah.
39:00Whether it's in form of a business
39:02or a role or a product, whatever it may be.
39:06I like making something out of nothing.
39:09Yeah.
39:09I, I am now at a point
39:10that I've been looking forward to for months.
39:12Okay.
39:13A discussion of sinners.
39:14Okay.
39:15Oh, my goodness.
39:18You and Ryan have unleashed quite something here.
39:29It's the kind of thing where you enjoy it
39:32and it's frightening,
39:33but yet you, like me, I'm still thinking about it
39:35because I want to make sure
39:36I understand everything I need to understand
39:38about the movie.
39:39And I can't believe the,
39:41the glorious, vivid depiction
39:42of, of life in the 1930s
39:45in the Southern part of, in Mississippi.
39:50Hey, Cumbria!
39:52Stats!
39:53Boy, a long time no see.
39:55But there was always the specter of evil.
39:58Definitely.
39:58Everything that we, you know,
40:00in that, in that film,
40:01historically, we tried to be as accurate as,
40:04as possible,
40:05maybe outside of the vampires.
40:07But...
40:07There was no shortage of blood
40:09in that film.
40:10No, no.
40:11And I, I'm not, I'm not a blood guy.
40:12I don't...
40:13You're not a blood guy.
40:13Nah, nah.
40:15It's the, it's so uncomfortable
40:17and it's, and it's sticky
40:18and it's like, it's, it's just,
40:21ah, it's like having a,
40:22like a wet t-shirt but with syrup
40:24and it's just, it's, it's,
40:26I, I, yeah.
40:27I've had a wet t-shirt with syrup.
40:28Yeah? Yeah, I do?
40:29Years ago on spring break.
40:31Spring break, huh?
40:32First of all, you play twins.
40:33Correct.
40:34Uh, shoe and sock.
40:36No, it's a stack and smoke.
40:37Smoke, smoke and stack.
40:38Smoke and stack.
40:39Yeah.
40:39Shoe and sock.
40:40Yeah, I'm gonna use that.
40:41I'm gonna use that somewhere.
40:42That's great.
40:43You, you studied twins.
40:44You, you went to work.
40:46You wore different shoes for one
40:48so there would be
40:49a physiological difference
40:50from the other.
40:51The two of you
40:52are in, in a fight scene.
40:54And, and so I'm thinking,
40:56do you get two paychecks?
40:58That's a good question.
40:59I gotta, I gotta ask Ryan that.
41:00I think you know
41:01the answer to that.
41:01No, no, no, no, no, no.
41:03I wish.
41:04Now, how do you,
41:05how do you act with yourself
41:06when you're not there?
41:07You're, you're there.
41:08I, I don't know, what,
41:09how often were you,
41:11were you the same amount of time
41:12one or the other?
41:14It was very technical.
41:16So sometimes I had a,
41:17a twin double
41:18that I would, um,
41:20have to kind of direct
41:22in the performance
41:23that I was going to do.
41:25Depending on the day
41:26would determine
41:27what twin I would start.
41:29See, that's something
41:30I didn't consider.
41:31I'll bet it is draining
41:32having to do a great job
41:33of one version
41:35and then do
41:35a similarly great job
41:37of a different version.
41:39Yeah, it's, it's, uh,
41:40it's, it's, it's,
41:41it was tough.
41:42It was tough.
41:42I think, you know,
41:43Smoke was the older one.
41:45Well, by a little bit.
41:46And, but felt older
41:48in responsibility.
41:49He was more of the guy
41:49that was always
41:50cleaning up after Stack's mess.
41:52Stack was a little bit
41:53of the entrepreneur,
41:54the daydreamer,
41:55the, the more, more.
41:56And that is sort of typical
41:58with siblings
41:58or perhaps even more so
42:00with twins.
42:00I don't, I don't know.
42:01What I found
42:02with identical twins
42:03is that one's usually
42:05really, really good
42:06at something
42:07and the other one
42:07is not
42:08because they're always
42:09around their identical twin
42:10who usually does the thing.
42:12So they really
42:13are codependent.
42:14Now, now you
42:15and your brother,
42:16the story is,
42:17they're big shots.
42:17They're coming back
42:18to their, their community
42:19of origin.
42:20Yeah.
42:20I think they were,
42:21they were just looking for,
42:22you know, they're,
42:22they're looking for,
42:23um, independence
42:24and freedom, you know,
42:25and, and safety.
42:26But I want to know more
42:27about what they were
42:28up to in Chicago.
42:29Now that's going to be
42:30another movie, right?
42:31Please tell me it is.
42:32It's not up to me.
42:34You got to talk to Coog, man.
42:36You got to talk to Coog.
42:37But I think Coog,
42:38Coog looks at this
42:38as a, as a,
42:39as a whole thing.
42:40I think after Fruitvale,
42:42he jumped into
42:42two franchises,
42:44you know,
42:45when it came to Creed
42:46and Black Panther.
42:47I think for him,
42:48he wanted something
42:49to be just
42:51a one singular thing.
42:53When the idea
42:54was pitched to you,
42:55when you read the script,
42:56when you and Ryan
42:57would talk about it,
42:57did you get
42:58exactly what it was?
43:00Yeah.
43:01You know, I think,
43:02I think me and Ryan,
43:02I mean, listen,
43:03he's one of the few people
43:04that can call my phone
43:05and I'll say yes
43:07to pretty much
43:08whatever he's asking me to do.
43:09Well, that'll be me now,
43:10too, right?
43:11Got it, got it.
43:11Yes, yes, yes.
43:12Got you.
43:13Well, it's one of those things
43:14where it's a quilt of stuff
43:16and you want to see it
43:17more than once
43:17and it's been
43:18tremendously successful.
43:19It has been.
43:20Yeah, I'm extremely lucky
43:21to be a part of this one.
43:23And by the way,
43:24I'm desperate to be
43:26an extra
43:26in one of these movies.
43:27Hey, you know what?
43:28I'm going to try
43:29to find something.
43:30Well, make it happen.
43:32Okay.
43:32I don't want this.
43:33I'm going to try
43:33to find something
43:34because look at me.
43:36I'm ready to go.
43:37I'm camera ready.
43:38I'm going to try
43:39to figure something out.
43:40Jeez, I've had a good time here.
43:41I hope you have.
43:42Same, man.
43:42Thanks for having me.
43:43Yes, sir.
43:44Michael B. Jordan,
43:45ladies and gentlemen.
43:47What do you think?
43:48You all right here?
43:49I appreciate it, man.
43:50I loved it.
43:51Nice job.
43:53Okay, you got two more.
43:55Let's see.
43:56We got, uh...
44:00Ow!
44:02That almost hit me.
44:05Jiminy.
44:05God, that was close.
44:07Woo!
44:12This must be the hat store.
44:14Whenever I come to London,
44:16I like to come in here.
44:17This is like the oldest
44:18hat store in the world.
44:20Yes, so we're actually
44:21the oldest shop in London.
44:22Oldest shop in London.
44:23Indeed, yeah.
44:23So I want to try on
44:24every hat in the place.
44:26This makes me want
44:28to play Monopoly.
44:30You want to put
44:30a little bit of mustard on it.
44:31Of course you do.
44:32There you go.
44:33Put mustard on your hat.
44:35Call me later.
44:36And do I have it on correctly
44:38or should it be like that?
44:39You can wear it either way.
44:40Or maybe it's this way.
44:42Did you get this
44:43out of Pee Wee Herman's closet?
44:48I'm really...
44:49I would love to try your hat.
44:50Go for it.
44:55So let's try a bowler.
44:56If you want to try
44:57a bowler on...
44:57Yes.
44:58It won't be comfortable
44:59unless we fit it for you.
45:01My head is in your hands.
45:04Oh, Jesus Christ, Max.
45:07Wow.
45:07That's the fit of your head.
45:09This is my head.
45:11It's badly misshapen.
45:13I should call my parents.
45:15Okay, there you go.
45:16Turn that into a hat.
45:17Right, okay.
45:19There you go.
45:19The simple insert.
45:23There you go.
45:24Max, the fit is perfect.
45:25Now, do I look stupid
45:26in this one?
45:26No, you look great.
45:28Yeah.
45:29Yeah.
45:29See, I look like a regular guy.
45:31The other is just
45:32I look like a dork
45:32try out on hats.
45:38Oh, my goodness.
45:39Look at this.
45:4021 years ago,
45:41I had my...
45:42her son,
45:43and I was still smoking cigars
45:44all the time.
45:45So my wife said,
45:46all right,
45:47you can't come near the infant
45:48because you smell like cigars.
45:51So that's when I quit.
45:52It's 21 years
45:53since I've had one of these.
45:54But I still love the idea of it.
45:56You know,
45:57a lot of people say
45:57they come here to London
45:59just to visit this door.
46:00Yep, I believe it.
46:01And see Churchill's chair.
46:03Oh, you have Churchill's chair here.
46:04We have Winston Churchill's
46:05smoking chair
46:06where he would actually come
46:07and sit,
46:07smoke his cigars.
46:09Now, what do you know
46:09about the American state
46:10of Connecticut?
46:11They apparently grow
46:12great cigar wrappers.
46:14Yes, so in Connecticut
46:15they grow a wrapper
46:16which is called
46:17a Connecticut wrapper
46:18obviously because it's in Connecticut,
46:19but it's grown under shade.
46:20Speaking of wrappers,
46:21what about that Kanye West?
46:25We should be away
46:26in a second.
46:28Now we're going to go downstairs
46:30and look at where Churchill
46:31would sit and have a cigar.
46:34I don't know,
46:35do I do this or not?
46:36I should do it, right?
46:37Yeah.
46:41Still fits.
46:42Bringing back memories?
46:50It's not memories,
46:51it's a visceral transformation
46:54of my neuroelectric system.
46:58Whoa!
46:59Hi!
47:00Suddenly I have a personality.
47:02This is great.
47:03Throw it in the screen.
47:04Okay.
47:05Ow!
47:07God!
47:09Oh my God!
47:10Okay, now the cutaway?
47:12Yeah, yeah.
47:12Okay, where do you want me?
47:13Oh, somewhere here.
47:14I'm getting my coconut.
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