The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City - Season 6 Episode 04- Petty Little Liars
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00:00Previously on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
00:03I want my money back for this trip.
00:09How's Robert doing?
00:10Robert Jr.
00:11Some days he's good, some days he's not.
00:14I'm still beating myself up because I'm not completely off and perfect.
00:18We have to take life day by day.
00:21Bronwyn had been doing all this research on your businesses and your lawsuits.
00:25Five lawsuits against Lisa Barlow.
00:27Lisa and John?
00:28Yeah.
00:28Yes, it's everywhere.
00:30Oh my gosh.
00:32Take a look.
00:34Dismiss, dismiss, dismiss.
00:35Dismiss because you paid them back or dismiss because they were fake?
00:38No, dismiss because it's none of your f***ing business.
00:40This doesn't prove anything, Lisa.
00:42How are you unwinding your business?
00:44I'm fighting for Wild Rose Beauty.
00:46And as a woman in the business, you should f***ing care.
00:49I'm not being accused of owing people money because I'm paying for it.
00:53Bye, bye, bye.
00:56Women?
00:57She asked you a question and you're hurling insults at her.
01:13No, you always hurl insults.
01:17If Lisa wants to clear up these allegations, then she should be listening to our questions
01:22and answering them instead of just jumping down our throats.
01:26She's acting like an irrational toddler.
01:28But I'm not going to stoop to her level.
01:31I'm removing myself until she tuckers herself out.
01:33You said the nastiest thing about me.
01:37And she compared you to Jen Shaw.
01:39She did not.
01:40No, she really did.
01:42But you only own one and a half of lunatic franchises.
01:45Who told you I own one and a half?
01:46That's not true.
01:47The rest are franchises.
01:48I own.
01:48They're franchises.
01:49Let me let you count.
01:49They're franchises.
01:50Help you count my cash.
01:51I have three salons that I own.
01:55And we, the rest are franchises.
01:57It's a model I'm proud of.
01:58Be honest about what you own.
02:00You're always like, I own ten salons.
02:01You own one and a half.
02:02And I know I need to specify.
02:03One and a half.
02:03Hey everyone, my name's Angie Kaye.
02:05I own seven salons and my friend says to me, three of them, there's no one and a half.
02:11You lie and you throw out there and to insult me.
02:14I finally figured Lisa's tactic out.
02:17She lies to deflect and make someone else the target.
02:21And everyone's tired of it.
02:22I didn't lie.
02:23I didn't do it to insult you.
02:24You took it as an insult.
02:26You have no idea what I own.
02:28Angie, Angie, Angie.
02:28You don't know the facts about my business.
02:30You do french fries.
02:31I do franchise.
02:32You should stick to it.
02:34French fries?
02:35Everybody loves it.
02:37She said, you do french fries.
02:39I do franchise.
02:41That was good.
02:42Just like you, I'm super proud of what I created.
02:45Good for you.
02:45And I'm super proud of all the things I created.
02:47Good for you.
02:48Because it's not just this.
02:49Well, so let me ask you this.
02:53I invested in your son's line, put on my shelf to support Jack and you and your family.
02:59But you're doing nothing to help market it.
03:02But you're out trying to peddle yourself to get a partnership with Kerastos.
03:06Someone that I've been partners with for 26 years.
03:09I didn't peddle it.
03:10They love my shiny, pretty hair.
03:11Why are you promoting another product and leaving Fresh Wolf product on my shelf without following up?
03:20Without marketing?
03:22Promote your own son's Fresh Wolf product.
03:24It's a C line.
03:25It didn't really belong on my shelves.
03:26Kerastos belongs on my shelves.
03:27It's actually a luxury men's grooming line.
03:29Yes, it is.
03:30It belongs in Walmart.
03:31You are a very jealous human being.
03:34No, bitch, you are.
03:35You questioned every single thing I have.
03:40Stop.
03:42This is ridiculous at this point.
03:45Like, now you're talking about my kid's brand and whether it's an A-list or C-list.
03:48And the fact that you're going this low yet again, like, we're at a point of no return.
03:54No one wants to hear the business being called a C-level business.
03:57Can we just accept that that was not a nice thing to say?
04:04I would like a word.
04:08I felt like you were absolutely, totally unfairly attacked when we went camping.
04:13You weren't there to defend yourself.
04:15And I understand your desire to clear your name.
04:17But for you to go low and count her franchises, count her money.
04:24And then, Angie, you just flipped it right back and you're telling her the business line
04:28that she developed with her sons is a C-line.
04:35And that's like some diss.
04:37It's not a diss.
04:38It is a diss.
04:39You're doing it to be a diss.
04:41That's a diss.
04:42And I'm not afraid to say to you, you don't need to go low.
04:44You don't need to go lower.
04:45I didn't go low with her.
04:47I feel like she asked me to be honest.
04:48I want to be clear.
04:49Like, I want to be able to talk to you honestly.
04:51This was horrible.
04:52I'm not friends with you because of your legal filings or because of your tequila or because
05:03of, I'm not friends with you because of your sponsorship.
05:06But I am friends with you because I have a great time with you.
05:08And this has not been a great time.
05:15I think you could probably say the same.
05:17Everyone at this table could say the same.
05:19That you are a fearless, strong person.
05:26And when you're on someone's side, you feel invincible.
05:32But when you're against somebody, you feel completely vulnerable.
05:36And I have felt vulnerable.
05:37Like, there was times where I feel vulnerable, too.
05:40But you don't show it.
05:41I love it.
05:41You never show it.
05:42I grew up so different than everybody.
05:45So it looks differently to you guys.
05:50But I am very vulnerable.
05:55Angie Castanavis, you.
05:56I love you.
06:01And I'm very sensitive when it comes to you.
06:04Vulnerability.
06:04I'm being extremely vulnerable.
06:08Because when you love someone hard, when they do something to you, it hurts way harder.
06:14And you know what?
06:24I have thought we were in a good place.
06:26And then this conversation happens at camp.
06:30And it's really, really f***ing hurtful.
06:32I apologize.
06:33I accept your apology.
06:36You're welcome.
06:36And I have all those same feelings about you.
06:38And even when I want to wring your little neck, I do love you, too.
06:41And that's why I do get emotional.
06:43And that's why I fight back as hard as I do.
06:48And you, Heather, I am your biggest champion.
06:53And, like, I really love you, Heather.
06:56You are still extremely honest with me.
06:59Extremely hard on me when you need to be hard on me.
07:02I feel like you're only as good as the people you're around.
07:05And if you guys aren't thriving like it, you know, it's not good.
07:08I want everyone to thrive.
07:10And it's from my heart.
07:12I don't ever say, I think you guys know I don't say things I don't mean.
07:18Bronwyn and I have work to do.
07:20But even when I am irritated with Bronwyn and can say, I don't like you,
07:26there's things I see in you, I acknowledge in you,
07:30I understand about you, even if you don't think I see it.
07:38I want to say it clearly in front of everybody.
07:43I did not take any pride in hearing about this stuff.
07:49I just wanted you to stop talking about me.
07:51I know that I hurt you.
07:56I know you hurt me.
07:57And when you're ready to say that, I think that's when we move forward.
08:01Can we raise a glass to friends that love hard and hurt hard?
08:11But I love each and every single one of you.
08:13Even when I'm mad at you, I still love you.
08:15We love you.
08:17Cheers.
08:17Cheers, everybody.
08:19Say so.
08:34So here's what I'm thinking.
08:35The front part of this side, I think, should be like this super tiny, chic, little jewelry store
08:44that people walk into and they go through the back into this speakeasy caviar lounge.
08:50In theory, we could go up a level and back 20 feet.
08:53What's up here?
08:53It's like an attic.
08:54Here, get on my shoulders.
08:56No, no, no, no, no.
08:58See what's up there.
08:59Oh, my gosh.
09:00Touch!
09:00No!
09:01It's easy.
09:01Watch her head.
09:02Watch her head.
09:03Watch her head.
09:08There are lights.
09:09This is a bad idea.
09:12Get me off!
09:18I'm parched.
09:20I over drank yesterday.
09:21What was me drinking?
09:22I took your tequila and then I took Angie's tequila drink.
09:26I don't drink tequila.
09:27I just taste medicine.
09:29You didn't taste the alcohol in it?
09:30A little bit of a hospital taste.
09:33No.
09:35You smell like hospital.
09:38So it's not only a smell, it's also a taste?
09:41All smells have a taste.
09:43That's very true.
09:43Just like when you pass gas, you can almost say, oh, my mouth was open.
09:47And then you can, okay, never mind.
09:50All right, I'm so excited to do this.
09:58But it has been a minute, so.
10:00Do you remember how to do it?
10:02Trying to figure out how to, like, extend this thing.
10:05Well, usually you just give it a good rub and it goes right up.
10:08A little rub.
10:08Okay, so this.
10:11I'm excited to get back into it.
10:13It's been a while, babe.
10:14I haven't climbed a pole in a long time.
10:17I mean, you have to be excited.
10:19You have my complete support.
10:21Hold that down.
10:22Put it down.
10:24I'm going to just.
10:26Like that.
10:27Like that?
10:28Yeah, just like that.
10:30Perfect.
10:30I miss the days when people would be like, Whitney Rose has a pole in her house.
10:39I'm losing my mind.
10:42And everyone would, like, thought it was the juiciest tea.
10:45And, like, moms would gossip about it in carpool.
10:47And I could, like.
10:47I remember.
10:48It was, like, the word around town.
10:49And I didn't care.
10:50It'd make me want to, like, do it even bigger and more and louder.
10:54And it's, like, I stuffed that away.
10:56Then I became a CEO.
10:57And, like, the failure of this business has, like, really taken a toll on me.
11:02I finally see it as an abrupt sign from the universe and God of, like, get back on your course.
11:08Yeah.
11:08Like, you know those flowers that close in and open up?
11:10It's like I, like, had to close off.
11:12And now that I'm coming out the other side, like, it's like my.
11:17Your flower is opening up.
11:21I love it.
11:26Oh, my gosh.
11:54We were almost in the same jeans.
11:55I'm not joking.
11:56When did you guys start this?
11:58We launched it last June.
12:01Yeah, we had great parties in here during Sundance.
12:03Sure.
12:04Okay.
12:04And, like, fun people on stage, which we love.
12:07That's your favorite.
12:12Um.
12:14Um.
12:15So what's going on?
12:16You know, I felt like there were so many voices yesterday.
12:20It was hard to hear anything.
12:23Yeah.
12:24So I thought it'd be good if we chatted and kind of, like, figured things out.
12:28Okay.
12:31I have to talk to Bronwyn alone because there are things that are private and personal with her feelings in mind.
12:39And if I don't talk to her one-on-one, I don't think we're going to have resolution.
12:42And I think we owe it to each other to figure this out.
12:45Damaging things were said.
12:47Uh-huh.
12:47And, um, you know, I'm sorry about those.
12:51And I think it really stemmed from you feeling hurt about our friendship and me feeling hurt about our friendship.
12:58And I don't want to sit in that space anymore.
13:01What's going on between you and I has been, we can be honest, it's been on purpose.
13:06It's been hurtful.
13:06I think, um, what happened was I said things that I didn't realize were, like, a big deal for you guys, which I take accountability for.
13:16You said that you had spoken to his mother.
13:18I did.
13:19And she told you that I faked a miscarriage.
13:22And you have been on the show long enough to know what saying that would do.
13:25I'm sorry that that hurt you guys.
13:28I'm sorry that that happened.
13:30My intentions were never that.
13:32Like, I would, I don't think it was that way.
13:34I don't think it was your intention.
13:35It was just what happened.
13:37And I think it was unclear between you and I for a long time.
13:40So I want to be really overly clear with you that the beginning of what happened had, I had nothing but, like, appreciation and gratitude.
13:49I felt that from you.
13:50Between you and I.
13:51You thanked me in text.
13:55You said, I can't imagine it being anyone else but you.
14:00You know, I would have only shared that with you.
14:03I'm having a hard time reconciling this wonderful family that you know with the family that has not made time in 18 years to ever get to know my child.
14:13My heart breaks for all of you.
14:15I never felt any way other than appreciative you put your time and effort and your friendship with them in, like, a weird place by going to talk to them for me.
14:24I always felt great about that.
14:26It's over.
14:27I've handled it with the most important person, which is Gwen.
14:29And we're in a good place about it.
14:31That's good.
14:32Well, I think it's just a race to the bottom where we are right now.
14:35And it's just not who I want to be.
14:37I don't feel like I need to defend myself or my life.
14:42If there's a mistake I've made, then I need to be accountable for that.
14:45I need to be remorseful for that.
14:47I'm accountable for doing the same thing, you know?
14:49I feel like I'm defensive.
14:51Like, John is, like, my everything.
14:53A biggest trigger for me is when somebody brings his name up.
14:56Like, unless you're, like, in his business and, like, in his bank account, in his day-to-day, it's hard for me to hear anything, you know, nasty about him.
15:05And I think at Amy's house, that kind of set me off to, like, another level.
15:10But me saying maybe John is stressed isn't the same as you saying I suck dick for clothes.
15:15That's what I'm saying about a race to the bottom.
15:17Okay, a low comment is never okay.
15:18It needs to just stop.
15:18I don't want a race to the bottom.
15:19I don't want to make low comments.
15:20When I make a joke to somebody I think is a friend and four years later you say you suck dick for clothes, that's not repeating it the same way I said it.
15:29I feel like people...
15:29That's twisting it to make it dark and say I don't respect my husband and I'm a whore.
15:34It is different.
15:34I don't think you're a whore.
15:35I've never said that.
15:36I would never...
15:36That's what the insinuation is.
15:37I would never call you a whore.
15:39You're not a whore.
15:39Okay, so here's what I want to do.
15:41Here's what I want to do.
15:42I don't want to go back and parcel out every single thing.
15:44You've been really hurt by the things that were directed at you because they were directed at you and I've been really hurt by the things that were directed at me.
15:50So I'm very sorry.
15:52There were times that I said things accidentally that hurt you and I'm going to admit there were times that I said things to be hurtful and I'm sorry for both.
16:01I will not be doing it going forward and that's all I can offer you.
16:05Okay, thank you very much.
16:06I hear everything you said.
16:08Sorry for the things I've said to hurt you.
16:10I'd like to be neutral with you.
16:12I'd like to make it easy for everybody else to be friends with the two of us.
16:18But I don't want any more being said about Todd.
16:22Todd's off limits and so is John.
16:24Full stop.
16:25And kids.
16:26I've never said anything about the kids.
16:28I've never said anything about the boys.
16:29I haven't.
16:30I don't know what's going on with Jack.
16:31I hope he's on his way home soon and it's good.
16:33Jack comes home in like less than two months.
16:35Oh, so soon.
16:36His mission flew by.
16:38Gwen is still at home.
16:39She didn't, she graduated and she has not left.
16:41Oh my gosh.
16:42So how was that?
16:43My mom's also living with me right now.
16:45Wow.
16:45You have a house full.
16:46She was really upset the other day.
16:48Gwen and I had like a disagreement and she was like, I am sick to my stomach.
16:51Do you think it triggered her?
16:52That's what she said to me.
16:53She was like, I think we should be grandparents before we're parents.
16:56She was like, I am so much softer and more open-minded with Gwen.
16:59And it was really an important moment for me with my mom for her to acknowledge she'd been
17:04really hard on me.
17:05And I've noticed as I get older that there are things about myself that I hold really rigidly.
17:10I like to control how people feel about me and I like to speak for myself.
17:13I don't like anybody else to speak for me and I want to correct words and I'm really trying
17:17to let go of that.
17:19I know I'm rigid and I make it very difficult for people to feel like I accept them and I'm
17:24trying not to be.
17:25Mostly because I know it doesn't serve me and because I don't want to be.
17:29Because I don't want to be like that, like my mom was.
17:35Is that awful to say?
17:36I'm just glad we can have this conversation and like, no voices were raised.
17:41No voices were raised?
17:42There was no yelling.
17:43That might be more impressive for you than me.
17:45Probably more for me.
17:46I'm more cutting and you're more loud.
17:48I hugged you yesterday.
17:49You want another one to steal this?
17:51Yes, another one.
17:52Bring it in.
17:53Bring it in.
17:59Look at this car.
18:06Is it going to stop?
18:07Right.
18:08Jeez.
18:09Are you nervous?
18:11Don't be nervous.
18:12I'm rolling out.
18:18Here we are.
18:23Rigety Royal Purple.
18:24We're back.
18:25Yes, ma'am.
18:26We're going to walk into a new place.
18:29Oh, my gosh.
18:36Mama looking like you.
18:38That's inspiring.
18:39Yeah.
18:40Ooh, Joel looks nice in here.
18:42Oh, my gosh.
18:43They got all the chairs done.
18:45Oh, yes, ma'am.
18:45I love it.
18:46Wait, though.
18:47I feel like the blinds, the top should be the same color.
18:51Yes, ma'am.
18:51Did the benches get done?
18:53Some of them did.
18:54Yeah, well, you can see the ones that didn't.
18:56Those are like nails or studs or something.
18:57Oh, it sure is.
18:58See, that can't be.
19:00That would stab somebody.
19:01Well, you don't miss nothing.
19:02That's dangerous.
19:04I'm excited to reopen my church.
19:06But why is there a nail sticking out?
19:08Like, you did all this renovation and forgot that?
19:12Been a long time.
19:13I know.
19:14Trying to think how long it's been.
19:15It's been two years.
19:17Big Joe is my cousin.
19:18And he is a general contractor.
19:20He took one year to just give us wood floors upstairs.
19:23I mean, he's family, and he milks it.
19:26He definitely milks it.
19:28It will be cool to come back.
19:30When the church opens back?
19:31Mm-hmm.
19:31Oh, yeah.
19:32And Robert is excited.
19:33Oh, that's good.
19:35You remember his first time walking was right across there?
19:38He did walk.
19:39And all the church went, oh!
19:41How's he doing, man?
19:42He's good.
19:43I mean, we're probably 100 times closer now.
19:46Really, man?
19:47Yeah, which is even more hurtful, because now I know when he's falling off, especially
19:53now that I'm fully aware of what's going on, I'm not, no.
19:56Yeah.
19:57Yeah.
19:58Are you crying?
19:59I'm just having a moment.
20:01That boy's tough, and his mind is, he's smart.
20:05He is smart.
20:06Like, he's...
20:07He's smart.
20:08I know.
20:09He's got a good heart.
20:10He does.
20:12I'm excited for us to come back to church.
20:15Church is always good to help.
20:16Absolutely.
20:17Bring him to church and have some prayer, that'll help anyone.
20:20Yes, ma'am.
20:21You know?
20:22Because that's what happened to me.
20:23Even when I was younger, I remember mama called me, and she was like, Mary, I think
20:27it's time for you to come back and be saved and get in church.
20:31And I was like, okay.
20:36And because of her, I am everything I am.
20:39And we're here today still because of you holding things together.
20:43Really?
20:43Thank you, Joe.
20:44You batted a storm.
20:46Yeah.
20:47Yeah.
20:49For some reason, my mom thought she was supposed to take everything over.
20:54Yeah.
20:55How?
20:56I don't know.
20:58You know, you think, marry the grand...
21:02That was odd to both of us.
21:04Like, marry me?
21:06He obeyed what mama wanted.
21:08That's all he did.
21:09He wasn't trying to do anything extra.
21:11My grandmother told her.
21:13So we were all clear of what my grandmother wanted.
21:17But once my grandmother passed, my mom just started trying to take over everything.
21:22And things got bad.
21:24My mom, she wanted her way, and she couldn't get her way.
21:27She wanted that power.
21:29She came in with a crew.
21:31Regular church was going on.
21:32They had like a dark cloud.
21:33They had a plan.
21:34She got up like she was going to direct the choir and said that she was pretty much leaving.
21:39But the police was called.
21:41And they asked them who he want out.
21:43And...
21:44Someone was escorted out.
21:45Somebody that thought they weren't going nowhere was escorted out.
21:50And the fact that it's full circle now and she's gone.
21:55Yeah.
21:58I don't know how I feel about that.
22:00It's like a roller coaster.
22:01It hurts.
22:02Yeah.
22:03But it's also a chapter that's closed.
22:08Wow.
22:09That I feel like it was a storm or a battle that I had been in for all those years.
22:15And it was.
22:16Because, I mean, she put articles in the paper about me.
22:19She put lies out there about us.
22:21I mean, it was always something.
22:23A lot of hurt.
22:23Something.
22:25Hurtful.
22:26Hurtful stuff.
22:29When my mom walked out of my life, I felt that absence.
22:34But my mom didn't want to speak to me.
22:36And so I gave her what she wanted.
22:38And when she left the earth a few months ago, it almost felt like it was actually official.
22:46Because it became a whole bigger, real, hurtful reality.
22:59Sorry, I have to use this.
23:00No, you're good, man.
23:02It's a Kleenex.
23:03Even though it's...
23:04It's a...
23:06I think it's a Kleenex.
23:08Oh, my God.
23:09It's a movie.
23:11Oh, we've been talking about something.
23:13Oh, goodness.
23:15Oh, Jesus.
23:16Can I have you grab a little champagne?
23:36Just getting my clients tipsy so they'll let me do perms on them.
23:39Hi, guys.
23:45Is Angie here?
23:48This is so weird to come down.
23:49Where's your station?
23:51I don't even want to touch your hair.
23:53Oh, my God.
23:53You're going to love what's happening.
23:55You're getting a perm today.
23:57Nothing permanent.
23:59You said nothing permanent.
24:00It won't be permanent.
24:01But we're just practicing.
24:03My cosmetology license lapsed a while ago.
24:06I have not done a perm in, like, 30 years.
24:09So I have to retake tests on mannequin heads.
24:12And do you know the last perm I did was, like, on a little old lady in beauty school?
24:17I started out as a hairdresser.
24:19And it's really important to me that that is my legacy.
24:22I do want you to be able to breathe.
24:24And you never know when you're going to have to step behind the chair again.
24:27Look how cute you look.
24:28You look like someone's grandmother.
24:30Thank you for that.
24:31So you'll never believe what happened.
24:33What?
24:33I'm sitting in here with Sean the other day.
24:36And this really cute little gal walks in.
24:39Hi.
24:40Hi.
24:41I thought she had a hair appointment.
24:43And she said, hi, I'm Lisa's assistant.
24:46Oh, um, she wanted me to pick up the Fresh Wolf products today.
24:51Like her product that's on the shelf?
24:54Well, it was on the shelf.
24:55It was no longer on the shelf.
24:57And at first I was like, is this a joke?
24:59Is she trying to be funny?
25:00But she wasn't trying to be funny.
25:02Lisa sent her in here.
25:03She was dead serious.
25:05Got to go down in the storage room.
25:07I find the product.
25:08It's just Dusty been sitting there.
25:10I pack it up.
25:12This is heavy.
25:13And then she said, Lisa Venmo'd you some money for the product.
25:18I don't want her money.
25:20But she apparently had already Venmo'd me.
25:22I'm standing up there at the desk.
25:24And I have a text from Lisa that says, $600 Venmo sent.
25:30I can send my cleaners to help you too.
25:32Sorry your salon is so dusty.
25:34Sorry your salon is so...
25:38My salon's not dusty.
25:40What did you respond with?
25:41So I just said, you should probably have sent the $600 to other people that are claiming
25:46that you owe them money.
25:48I didn't say you owed me any money.
25:50And my salon is not dusty.
25:53Your products are though, because they've been sitting here for two years.
25:56So there's that.
25:57And then she throws her grenade back.
26:00Well, at least I don't have to borrow money to take vacations and pay it back after using
26:05a card I should have never used to begin with.
26:09What could that possibly be about?
26:11I have no f***ing idea.
26:12I have my own credit card in my own name.
26:15So at that point, I just stopped responding.
26:17It's like, I'm not going to engage with her craziness.
26:21I thought we left on a great note.
26:24I thought you guys left great.
26:25Like, it was love and tears and hugging.
26:28I'm sick of her throwing out grenades because she feels like, well, I'm going to deflect.
26:32And you talked about my kids.
26:33I didn't talk about your kids.
26:34You talked about her kids' product line.
26:36You talked about Fresh Wolf.
26:37And it would have never come up had she not said, you're just jealous.
26:40You're jealous of me.
26:41You're jealous of my shiny hair.
26:43I'm like, everybody has nice hair in this room.
26:45Your hair is no better than anyone else's.
26:47It's dyed bowling ball black.
26:49Like, it's great, but it's not shiny.
26:51When you go that dark, you don't have shiny.
26:53That's what makes it hard to support you is because, like, amidst all the good and all
26:57the hurt, you, like, come in with some really horrible slams.
27:01But Heather, saying that I'm using someone's credit card to go on vacation, she's taking
27:06everything that is being slung at her and just slinging it back at me.
27:10And then now I've got to respond with something low or walk away.
27:13No, do you?
27:14I'm f***ing pissed.
27:15But, like, you're definitely going to see her again.
27:18And I don't think you should come in hot.
27:20I want to be in a good place with her, but I don't know how I'm going to react when I
27:23see her.
27:25Look how curly your hair got with no solution.
27:29You know, I'm just in my pretty girl era, really.
27:33That snapped me.
27:35Oh, oh, sorry.
27:35Where do I fill out a comment card?
27:36It's been 30 years.
27:37How are you doing?
27:58Good.
27:59Thank you so much.
28:01Hello.
28:01I love this place.
28:03Yeah, if you have questions, let us know.
28:04Okay, thank you.
28:06You know this place?
28:07Yeah, I've actually never been in the store, but they've done my entire house plants.
28:11You're kidding me.
28:12Yeah, really good prices, too.
28:14I need some plants that I can't kill.
28:16Well.
28:17Like, ones that can endure cold, my bedroom might keep it super cold.
28:21You know what?
28:22I have one of these from here, and I have halfway killed it, but it still looks pretty good.
28:26Thanks for meeting me.
28:29I just wanted to...
28:30Yeah, thanks for inviting me.
28:32I've been wanting to talk to you.
28:33Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:35I just feel like we got off on a wrong start.
28:40After the RV trip, Whitney's and my relationship has been pretty tense.
28:45Yes, but when Lisa went after Whitney's business at her luncheon, I realized that I had done
28:52the exact same thing.
28:54Your business is getting drab like crazy right now.
28:56Are you kidding me, Whitney?
28:58No, I'm not kidding.
28:59What do you do for work, Whitney?
29:00How do you make money?
29:03Sucking dick?
29:05Oh, my God.
29:06I feel badly about it.
29:09I went low, and I apologize for that.
29:12I really appreciate that.
29:14And I really feel bad for what I said about you and Jared.
29:18That's not me.
29:19I don't really go to that level.
29:21I know.
29:21I have to say, I was a little shocked.
29:23I'm sorry.
29:24I appreciate that.
29:26Oh.
29:28Wow.
29:30Oh, I love the smell.
29:31Looking at all their green walls.
29:33I want them to come build me a green wall.
29:35Oh, I love that.
29:36I've never seen your house.
29:38No, I've never seen your house either.
29:39There's a lot of stuff I want to do to it still.
29:42Jared's been helping me.
29:44Are you and Jared even together?
29:45I thought you broke off the engagement.
29:47We did, but we're together.
29:48What does that mean?
29:50That means that we're working toward getting engaged again.
29:53Brittany.
29:54He's really good to me.
29:56Like, we really are trying to take things slow in the name of our kids.
30:01Do you know what Olivia wants from you?
30:03Has she expressed that?
30:04I think that she just wants to see me being consistent with not choosing a man over her.
30:13But it's super hard because Jared and I are in a really good space.
30:16Is that her hard, like, boundary?
30:18Like, she wants you to stop dating for a minute?
30:20I'm not sure.
30:21Maybe you should ask her because think about the grand scheme of life.
30:26Is it really that hard to stop for a short period of time to prove to her that she's worth it?
30:33Oh, that would be a big ask if that's what she would need, you know?
30:40No offense.
30:41She should come first, even as an adult.
30:44You know, I've had my own ups and downs with my parents, especially my mom.
30:48We were estranged for a very long time.
30:51You know, I understand that mother-daughter relationship.
30:53It's so hard.
30:54But even when I, like, wasn't talking to my mom, I never stopped loving her.
30:59I never stopped needing her, wanting her.
31:01Especially as I've gone through these hard times with my business failing.
31:06I need my mom.
31:07So don't give up.
31:09I really want to be there for Olivia.
31:11I want to be that rock for her like my mom was for me.
31:14But that's kind of impossible because she doesn't make space for me.
31:17Like, am I just supposed to sit home?
31:19Just give it 30 days and see what happens with Olivia.
31:22Think about your ups and downs with Jared, your dating life.
31:26It's been messy.
31:28And you could use a break.
31:30And if Olivia, if that's what she needs to see from you, and that's all, it should be a no-brainer.
31:36Like, put the cactus down.
31:38Like, Brittany.
31:39Yes.
31:40Literally.
31:40Yeah.
31:41It's your daughter.
31:42I know.
31:43You should feel instinctually like I'll do anything for her.
31:47Yeah.
31:48Anything.
31:48Even not dating.
31:50Yeah.
31:50Do you feel that?
31:52Yeah, I do.
31:53I do.
31:54Because standing here with you questioning it is making me feel like a certain way.
31:58Yeah, yeah.
31:58It's your daughter.
31:59That she's opened up the pathway to move forward.
32:02And she's given you an opportunity.
32:03Take it.
32:05Because she might not again.
32:06What are you doing right there?
32:32Stop looking for stuff to do around my house.
32:34You do not.
32:35I'm trying to get this put away.
32:37You don't need to do this.
32:38This loft is ridiculous, Mepi.
32:39You know, I just put it in a plastic.
32:41We're leaving.
32:42Yeah.
32:42Roll them up.
32:43What?
32:43We're going bowling.
32:44You are not going to bowling.
32:47We are.
32:47Yes, we got our league today.
32:49Wait, are you in the league?
32:50They're not in a bowling league.
32:51They always say this to me.
32:53Who knows where they go every Wednesday.
32:56Bye.
32:56They had me going for a couple of weeks.
33:01They kept saying, oh, we're in a bowling league.
33:02And I was asking them all these questions.
33:04Where did you hear about it?
33:05Private time.
33:05Yeah.
33:08Okay, well, that's got to freak you out.
33:10They don't have enough in the East Wing.
33:11Can you imagine if I had said to you, I'd like my boyfriend to live with me at our house?
33:17Wouldn't happen.
33:18Never would have happened.
33:19Gwen is the same age or very close to the age that I got pregnant with her at.
33:24And so having my mom not only here, but judging how I try to parent Gwen is really bringing
33:31up for me just how much shame I felt then and how much maybe shame I still feel.
33:37I'm old generation.
33:39She has this idea of what a perfect Mormon family looks like, and I'm never going to fit
33:45into that for her.
33:47You know what, Lizzie?
33:48It doesn't bother me.
33:50Yeah, I know it doesn't bother you.
33:51That's why it doesn't bother her.
33:54She's following your example.
33:56Okay, doke.
33:57Let's be really careful how we say that.
34:00Whatever example you're doing, she is copying.
34:03Well, okay, let's not say whatever example.
34:05Like, I'm out in the streets, Muzzy.
34:07I just set out to be very different with her.
34:09I don't want any sneaking of stuff.
34:11Just openly tell me you're doing it.
34:12And I like that, but it's parenting that I've never seen work.
34:17Okay, but did the way you parented me work?
34:24Because you did not want me having sex.
34:26And newsflash, I had a baby by myself, Muzzy.
34:29So it didn't stop me from doing it.
34:32BYU was trying to make sure I wasn't having sex.
34:34You were trying to make sure I wasn't having sex.
34:35And guess what?
34:36It was happening no matter what.
34:38I never once was thinking about that.
34:40Because I knew that all along, you were taught you don't smoke, you don't drink, and you do not have premarital sex.
34:48And I would have put my head on the chopping block that you would not have done any of those three.
34:54Ever.
34:56Mm-hmm.
34:59I know.
35:00I know you're a big fan of the tough love with me, I know, and I'm not a big fan of receiving tough love.
35:06But you see how better that works?
35:08It does not work any better, though, Muzzy.
35:09Yeah, it does.
35:10You have really hard days, though.
35:12Yeah.
35:13I would not be jazzed if Gwen had a baby at the same time that I did.
35:17I would handle it very different.
35:19You did not let me have a baby shower.
35:20You were not happy about it.
35:21You did not let anybody be excited for me.
35:24I was not to be celebrated.
35:25It was not something to be excited about.
35:27There were so many moments that were so awkward and so hurtful.
35:33My mom and I were at a baby gap because both my sisters were pregnant the same time that I was.
35:39And my mom said, I'm picking something out for my granddaughter.
35:43And the salesperson said, oh, so you're having a little girl.
35:46And I said, oh, she means my sister.
35:49And she says, oh, I thought you were pregnant, too.
35:51I'm so sorry.
35:52I shouldn't have assumed.
35:53And I said, I am.
35:54And she said, so is grandma buying something for your baby also?
35:58And my mom said, no.
36:01There are some things you don't get to go back and redo.
36:05You couldn't have predicted if I was going to have another one or not.
36:07No.
36:07So in a way, you did make sure that I never had a happy pregnancy because I never got to do it again.
36:12But that's not my fault.
36:14Muffy, you are the one who made it miserable.
36:18You know how miserable I was trying to hide it?
36:20So many times over the years, I've thought, maybe I don't understand.
36:31Maybe she didn't mean this.
36:32Maybe she would do it differently now.
36:34But I didn't misunderstand.
36:36My mom still thinks 20 years ago when I was pregnant that the person who was most hurt was her.
36:43When Daddy's position where he was in the job at the temple, it was very, very difficult.
36:47I know, it was embarrassing for Daddy because he worked for the church.
36:49I realized all those things, but it was also really about me and what I wanted to do.
36:53And I was really the last person considered him that.
36:56I also felt there were periods where, okay, Gwen's just dropped at my daycare, you know?
37:05I do not know what you're talking about.
37:07Like, Gwen was just dropped at you.
37:08What are you talking about?
37:09I was at work.
37:10What would have happened if I didn't take her?
37:13You would have been somewhere else.
37:15We didn't want her to go into foster care.
37:19I would have worked a second job and paid for something.
37:22Let's not imply that I was going to let go and go to foster care.
37:24That's so dark.
37:26No, you never wanted her to be adopted.
37:29It was always, I'm keeping her.
37:32Yeah.
37:32I have a lot of grace for the fact that you had never been in a situation of raising a child that was doing something so different than what you wanted them to do.
37:41Especially the last one.
37:44You're doing your best.
37:46Okay.
37:46Just because I don't say, oh, you're so wonderful, you're so amazing, doesn't mean that I don't think you are.
37:54Just busy being careful that you don't think you're so wonderful.
38:01But you are too good.
38:04Wow.
38:06Okay.
38:06Look at you.
38:24You're a driver.
38:26Hi.
38:26You look beautiful in that car.
38:29I even have a caviar refrigerator in the center console.
38:32Okay, I want to test that out.
38:34Hi, welcome.
38:36How are you?
38:37Oh, lavender cold foam.
38:38Oh, my goodness.
38:39That sounds so good.
38:40But I may have to go with the hibiscus matcha.
38:42Perfect.
38:43I would like an iced tea, please.
38:45Awesome.
38:46Anything else?
38:47That is it.
38:48All right.
38:48And you're all set.
38:51Look, Meredith and I are no Laverne and Shirley, but we've been trying with each other.
38:56Come on with us.
38:57Thank you, Meredith.
38:58Oh, my gosh.
39:00Well, it's a holder for the scroll of tables.
39:04We can now move forward.
39:08So, I just want to make Meredith aware that Lisa's not the Laverne to her, Shirley.
39:14She thinks she is.
39:16Oh, my gosh.
39:16So, how's everything been going?
39:18Crazy busy.
39:19How about you?
39:19I'm going to renovate my store and make a small jewelry store in the front and then, like,
39:25a caviar lounge in the back.
39:27Because the lounge is taking over.
39:29Okay.
39:29Oh, that's going to do so well, Meredith.
39:31Good for you.
39:32Anyway, though.
39:33So, what did you think about everything the other day?
39:37Like, oh, thank you.
39:38That's beautiful.
39:39I know.
39:39It's so pretty.
39:42So, I mean, there's a lot that's happened since I've seen you.
39:49And I don't know if Lisa talks to you, so you may or may not know.
39:54I'm at the salon.
39:55And out of the blue, this girl comes in.
39:57And she said, hi, I'm Lisa's assistant.
40:00And I'm here to pick up the Fresh Wolf products.
40:03And then Lisa sends me this mean message and starts this war with me again.
40:09It's like, wait, what happened?
40:11Like, if you really want to be on the right foot, you don't go backwards.
40:15Perhaps she needs a little bit of grace because everything that ties back to kids, we all get
40:21very reactive.
40:23I don't want to hurt you.
40:25But in the past, when you and I were not really in a great place, Lisa was calling me and
40:33encouraging me to dig up information about family members and relatives of yours.
40:41She was telling me, oh, Google this person and here's their name and this is how you spell
40:47it.
40:47And there's things out there about bankruptcy and shoplifting to intimidate so you stopped
40:54coming at me.
40:56And I didn't.
40:57And I wouldn't.
40:58Because that's not who I am.
41:00But obviously, it's who Lisa is.
41:04Like, Lisa's doing her research on everyone, true or not.
41:08And she's just keeping it back here in case you come for her.
41:11She's going to have this bomb.
41:13I just don't understand why she would, like, tell someone who I'm not getting along with
41:19her to go try to, like, dig up dirt that isn't even true about not even me.
41:32But that just would be hurtful to me.
41:34Lisa is loyal.
41:36And Angie's lied about me for two years.
41:39That's why I find it hard to believe that it's even true.
41:42But I'll find out.
41:44That's very, um, disturbing.
41:47Like, very disturbing for me.
41:49Because I wouldn't do that to her.
41:52You know?
41:53I just wouldn't.
41:55I mean, you know I'm going to have to talk to her about this.
41:58Yeah.
41:58I'm okay with that.
41:59Because she said it.
42:01Word for word.
42:07Next time on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
42:10Little Girls Day celebrating love, laughter.
42:14And wine.
42:16I need to know if you spread rumors about my family.
42:22Shut your f***ing mouth.
42:23I'm going to come over there and pull your ears further back than they've been pulled by
42:28to your f***ing facelift.
42:31Everybody's gone back.
42:32I'm done with you.
42:33Bye, Mary.
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