Esclusiva - Qatargate, tre anni dopo parla Kaili: nessun processo e troppe ombre sull’inchiesta
In un'intervista esclusiva rilasciata a Euronews, l'ex vicepresidente del Parlamento europeo ha chiesto giustizia e ha denunciato il "Belgiangate" dopo una nuova ondata di arresti di politici
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00:00It's been three years since the Qatar corruption scandal first rocked the European Parliament.
00:05Explosive allegations and a spectacular police operation.
00:10At the time, Belgian authorities claimed that their countries from Qatar to Morocco
00:14had paid hundreds of thousands of euros to sway and influence decision-making at the core of European democracy.
00:22The face of the scandal, Eva Kiley, young, glamorous, and a former vice president of the European Parliament,
00:30three years later, she tells Euronews she wants to see justice for herself.
00:35The Belgian's prosecutor's office did not respond to a request for comment made by Euronews.
00:40Well, Eva Kiley, thank you so much for joining us on Euronews for this interview.
00:46It's been three years. You say for you it's been three very long years.
00:50And now you want to go public and you want to put it all out in the open and you say you claim and you want justice.
00:58But justice from who?
01:00That's a good question. I think justice should come based on facts.
01:06And now we have enough facts to understand that this was a baseless case.
01:10Optics were used for justice.
01:14And after three years, I think we have now the clarity to see what actually happened.
01:18OK, so what actually happened?
01:21Because, of course, our viewers remember the scandal.
01:25They remember the investigation.
01:27And they remember that Belgian authorities claimed that third countries from Qatar to Morocco paid cash
01:33to influence decision making and to sway you, essentially.
01:37So, again, what actually happened?
01:40And when you say you want to see justice, is this justice from the Belgian authorities that you're seeking?
01:48So let's establish the facts.
01:50There were evidence from an investigation of the secret services of Belgium.
01:55And on the wiretops, we can see that there were private funds, not public, private funds for the president of an NGO, Panseri,
02:06that he used his assistance.
02:08He asked them to help him receive it until he declared it.
02:12This is corroborated by wiretops, by notes and by testimonies until coercion methods happened and things started to change.
02:21And, of course, that refers to the moment that, well, you went very public because there was a picture that was printed.
02:31It went viral.
02:32It went global.
02:34There was a piece of luggage.
02:35The Belgian federal police said that that was evidence of cash that was stored in your property.
02:42And this luggage was full of cash.
02:45So we've seen the picture.
02:47Three years later, you say that this is now set up.
02:50So tell us, then, what was really in that luggage?
02:53Well, we have, again, we have the evidence and the wiretops.
02:57So it's about facts, not perception, not optics.
03:01These were private funds that we hear on the wiretops that he wanted to receive it for his work.
03:07The photos were staged as illegal, as illegal funds, to create presumption of guilt.
03:14And now we have more evidence that the prosecutor of Belgium pre-orchestrated, not just the leaks, but the story.
03:23So the target was chosen.
03:26The script was pre-written.
03:28And the optics replaced the evidence.
03:31Look, that's a very important point.
03:32And I want to focus on the idea of the leaks, because leaks are they happen.
03:38They are somewhat normal for things to leak in an investigation to the press.
03:43What is different, however, is to leak information to incriminate a person without the full evidence.
03:49So my question is, where are you framed?
03:54Well, first, we were arrested, accused, punished by detention, based on a hypothesis.
04:01Also, the facts, if the facts matter, were clear that they were not related to corruption.
04:07And now we have the messages between the prosecutor, journalists, and the police, preparing articles before the investigation even started, deciding the titles, and then trying to fit everything with twisted leaks on the press, trying to put coercive methods and intimidation to fit the whole case into the headlines.
04:32This is not leaks.
04:33This is pre-orchestration.
04:34It's a narrative that was written instead of evidence.
04:38But if all of this was set up, and you say this was orchestration, and leaks were put out to incriminate your purpose, what was the motivation?
04:49This is a question that many of our viewers wonder, that we still wonder about.
04:54What was the motivation?
04:55Why you in particular?
04:57Well, this is a very good question to ask, and this would require a trial to get the truth out.
05:03What I can tell you is that there was a public trial, there was a popularity contest, intimidation.
05:09They used my daughter and other families to change testimonies and make accusations, while the law is not there.
05:17So the violation of the secrecy and the violation of presumption of innocence is not to protect the guilty,
05:23it's to protect the innocent from public courts and from manipulation by media.
05:29So facts matter, and the justice was reversed in this case.
05:35I can just tell you that today we have a Belgian gate where the judge resigned, the prosecutor resigned,
05:42the investigator admitted that they were based the case on lies, so it was lies of coercion,
05:49and the anti-corruption director is now criminally charged.
05:54Again, these were serious allegations, especially those aimed at the Belgian authorities.
05:58You say this is a Belgian gate.
06:01What does that mean?
06:02What does that mean specifically?
06:04Well, that means that it's not safe for diplomacy or democracy,
06:08when based on a hypothesis against the evidence.
06:12People's lives are destroyed, families are used, even babies.
06:17And then we have everybody resigning.
06:20We have the fact, it's not my opinion.
06:22What I'm telling you, it's based on facts.
06:26So I think when you stage photos, when you write the script before the case opens,
06:31Everybody can understand that being a politician in the European Union,
06:36it seems that you can be targeted by doing your work,
06:41because I was having an official mandate documented by the president of the parliament
06:46and by Borrell, the high representative of the commission,
06:50to build bridges with the Gulf countries.
06:52Okay, but I want to go back to the idea of the Belgian gate,
06:55because what you say and what you allude is that ultimately this is a country
07:02where authorities frame people, where they plant evidence,
07:07where they use methods that are borderline on the legality.
07:14Would you say that Belgium is in a way operating like a police state?
07:18Is that what you're saying?
07:20Well, we saw what happened with Mogherini.
07:21He was accused and arrested before there were evidence.
07:26And now we have a judge, Anzio, who opened a criminal case
07:31against the anti-corruption director
07:33and is trying to establish what actually really happened
07:37against the methods of the Belgians.
07:39This happened in Belgium.
07:41Italy also dismissed the case for corruption
07:44and opened a criminal investigation against the witness protected by Belgium for lying.
07:50So I can just talk with facts and everybody can make like their own conclusions.
07:55I don't need to say what it was, but I can tell you what are the facts.
07:59And still you say what happened was three years ago,
08:03the European parliament, just to give you an example,
08:07they decided to make you persona non grata.
08:14You were stripped of your job as vice president of the European parliament.
08:18Your immunity also was stripped.
08:22And at the time, the head of the European parliament said that she was going to clean up
08:27the institution and you became the sort of persona non grata in the institution.
08:32Have you had any contact with the head of the European parliament since?
08:37And what do you make of that reaction?
08:40Of course.
08:40And I asked for a public hearing.
08:43I asked for any hearing to present the evidence and it was denied.
08:47I even asked a public court hearing to present all the facts.
08:53Whoever wants transparency, if they are honest,
08:55they wouldn't deny a public hearing.
08:57And she denied the public hearing.
08:59The prosecutor denied the public hearing.
09:01Whoever denies definitely is not an innocent one.
09:03Three years later, do you feel betrayed by the president of the parliament,
09:08by Roberta Metzola and your own colleagues in the parliament?
09:12Well, I think personally, I'm expecting justice to be given through
09:19presenting all the elements at court and to have a fair process.
09:25The process was totally illegal.
09:27So now I'm waiting to understand why they use such methods.
09:31But it's not personal for me, the apology.
09:33It's to the citizens for losing trust to the system because it was presented as corruption.
09:40And we see that in the end, it was private funds for actually an NGO that was doing a good mission,
09:46helping people in Afghanistan, in Sudan.
09:48So we saw how you can reverse justice for political ambition, for geopolitical games,
09:55and people become victims of this process.
09:58Obviously, we saw a spectacular rate when it comes to Federica Mogherini.
10:03She's a former representative for the European Union.
10:07And were you surprised in any way to see another round of arrests like this?
10:13Again, punished without evidence, optics replaced justice and public courts decide about somebody,
10:20if he's innocent or not, before fact, only with the titles.
10:24So innocence is destroyed in like a popularity contest because then the parliament and everybody,
10:30they try to side with whatever is convenient.
10:34So it's easy to attack the South.
10:36It's easy to attack South countries, Arab countries,
10:39and create a narrative and a presumption that is the opposite of what the facts have been saying.
10:46So to me, it's very worrying for democracy.
10:50And the reason I'm speaking out, even though it causes trouble to me and my family,
10:57and even to my case, it's because this should not happen to anyone.
11:02And politicians should not be afraid to work on the European institutions.
11:08They should not feel that the system can target and attack anyone.
11:12So I do hope that this would be like a lesson.
11:16And what happened to Mogherini recently, or more ready today,
11:20a selective political prosecution, this would stop happening after this case is over.
11:26Well, thank you very much for joining us, Eva Kaili.
11:31And in the end, it will be the facts and the evidence that will speak.
11:35This case is still not set for trial, but there's a question as to whether it will make it to trial.
11:40But at some point, if it does, of course, the justice and the law is based on facts.
11:44And ultimately, it will be the facts that will speak for both sides.
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