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00:00best show on TV. Joining me each episode to unpick all the treachery from the castle will be familiar
00:05former players, celebrity superfans and of course the latest murdered and banished players. Now you
00:11know what's coming. Spoiler alert! If you haven't watched the first episode of series 4 then head
00:16to BBC iPlayer and do that now. Coming up we discuss that red cloak twist and who the secret
00:22traitor might be. We share our first impressions of the other traitors and we unpick the lies and
00:28a seat already swirling around the castle. To do all of this and more I'm joined by celebrity
00:32faithful Lucy Beaumont, series 3 traitor Mina, series 2 faithful Molly and traitor superfan Jack Remington.
00:44Welcome everyone. So exciting. Thank you for joining me on the first episode of Uncloaked for series 4.
00:50We are obviously going to be discussing everything that happened in this episode but Lucy first I
00:55want to chat to you because you were amazing in the celebrity series. How did you find watching
00:59the first episode of the new civilian series now that you're not in the castle? At first I was like
01:04oh god here we go again. You know like when he's like this is a set thing like oh. And then I was
01:11absolutely hooked by the end as I was like they have they've done it again. But you'll want to talk
01:18about the twist in a minute. We'll probably bring it up I'd imagine. But that just is taking it to a
01:26new level. Totally yeah total new level. This time around there is a secret traitor not even the
01:31traitors know who they are and we do not know who they are as we are watching. So everyone watching
01:37now is a faithful because we need to work out who this traitor is. Yes. So you've got a theory I
01:43hear Lucy. When we watched it together I just had to ask the group did they say that the secret
01:48traitor was one of that cast because it could be Claire Balding. So you think it's not only a
01:57secret traitor it's someone secret within the castle you think Claire Balding is hiding something
02:01maybe in the suit of armour and she's going to pop out. Well I did say I said publicly online that
02:06I think Claire Balding will come back. Yeah. And then and then you can you can imagine how I felt
02:12when they said there's a secret traitor. Yeah. And in the cloak when it was walking it did look
02:16like Claire Balding's walk. And I thought that's why you made me move up because she's going to sit
02:22here. So you thought we are going to reveal the identity of the secret traitor in this episode
02:28of Uncloaked and it's going to be Claire Balding. Yeah I'm just so glad they've done this because
02:32you know it's so you won't know this but it's so infuriating when people are like how did you not
02:38know. Yeah. I feel you with that when it's time for the public to play this game. Yeah. And realise
02:42how hard it is. What was your instant thought when you when you saw the twist Mina? Can I be honest?
02:47Yeah. I was fuming because that screams Mina energy down to a tee. I want to be in the red cloak.
02:54But then we were saying as well that they're going to be so anxious because even for them it's not a
03:00comfortable safe situation. They've not got the support of at least two other traitors when they get to the
03:04round table. Yeah. They're by themselves. Yeah. So everybody's going to be feeling anxious now. You
03:09know before it was like the traitors have got the upper hand. Yeah. Traitors have now got to guess
03:12about the secret one but then the secret one's going to be anxious because they're out there on
03:17their own and obviously all the faithfuls are anxious anyway. So it's just good telling. Would you
03:22have been angry as a traitor if you found out there's a secret traitor? You get there you're like as a
03:27traitor you think I want to be picked I want to be picked and you get picked and then you find out
03:31someone else's run in the show. Yeah. And you're limited to who you can murder because the secret
03:36traitor ultimately gives you the options. All the power's gone. All the power's gone in the turret.
03:41Hugo's not a happy boy. He is not happy. It's funny though because they get everything they wanted like
03:47they've obviously they've made it to the show which is amazing. Yeah. They've been able to be a traitor
03:51which they want to do and now it's like snatched away from them. That power's gone and I love it.
03:56I'm happy about the Hugo situation because when he said before that he was a psychopathic teddy bear
04:01I was like this is what you want to happen to a psychopathic teddy bear. Take away all the toys and
04:06they go mental. Yeah. I mean he had it all planned didn't he? I've got a hug in my name but if you get
04:11too close I'll stab you in the back and then he became a traitor. You must have been so happy about it
04:15and then suddenly the rugs pulled. Yeah. Do we have any speculative theories so far as to who the secret
04:20traitor might be? We've only had one episode but has anyone spotted anything? We thought Amanda would be great.
04:25Yeah. And we also all warmed to Judy. I love my mum but I would also happily have Judy as my mum.
04:32Yeah. Love you mum. So I feel like she'd be a really good person in kind of like a motherly instinctive way
04:39and then if she's pulling all the strings behind the scenes although they are slightly onto her already.
04:43Yeah this is it. Did we spot Judy's head turn at the round table? Not another head turn.
04:47There was a little bit of a Linda moment. Really? Yeah to the word traitors. Yeah. Oh.
04:52So if Judy is the secret traitor she's not done a great job of keeping it secret so far.
04:57I really hope the secret traitor gets far because I just think it's fun. Yeah.
05:01Like it is fun and it's like added such another layer to the game. Imagine if like Judy's the first
05:06to go and that's it. I think Jessie could be the secret traitor. Yeah. I don't know why I think
05:11when she was speaking on the train she just really like I don't know I connected with her and I thought
05:15she could be a good traitor and she said she wanted to be a traitor. Yeah.
05:19They all seem to this year. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone just wants to be conniving. It's great.
05:23But that makes it so hard to work out who the secret traitor is right because there's so many
05:27discussions in the gold chats where everyone says they want to be a traitor. You're like well
05:30who could it be? Amanda I thought potentially a good secret traitor. I think a terrible secret
05:35detective because I'm watching Amanda and I'm thinking I'd know you were a copper as soon as I meet you.
05:40Yeah. She's like central casting like leading the bill. I'm surprised they've not done any sort
05:47of shots of just her feet walking across the gravel. Maybe that's the walk she was getting
05:51confused with. Yeah maybe. That's who you think Claire is. Does Claire boarding walk like a bullet
05:56bullet? They have obviously like a couple of people mentioned Jade looked nervous and then
06:04obviously they showed Jade but you know you don't know whether they're just it's a red herring but
06:11but it would make sense that you you're seeing the secret traitor a lot within this this episode and
06:18she did she did look nervous and I've been there and you know you don't look nervous because it's like
06:24a relief really so. See I disagree I feel like I looked nervous. Oh did you? I was nervous I was petrified. Oh really? Yeah. In case someone was like thought you
06:34was. I think I was just out of my depth a little bit to be honest and I think you know you signed yourself up for something to the unknown completely really like it's I was probably just nervous in general you're around loads of new people so I don't know if it's fair to say like that nervousness is just because she's guilty because I was nervous as hell like I've. But people obviously didn't pick up on that because obviously even though you were nervous there's people can still tell that's authentic and it's not for that reason. And I suppose that it could be like that.
07:04for Jade I think maybe people just need to get to know her a little bit yeah maybe the people that don't know her so well the ones kind of picking up on that energy yeah whereas if they've had a few chats with her they might know she's a bit of a nervous person anyway or or we could be wrong and it's her. We could you know. Has anyone made any comments so far that you think oh they're a bit suspicious they're a little bit you're a bit on edge with them. I think James needs to be real careful he is throwing names out left right and centre. That pointing he was doing. Yeah it's. That was wild.
07:34And as much as you can get excited especially when you feel something and like you're sure it's right. Just be careful with what she's saying I think.
07:41I worry about Fiona. Yeah. Because of the mission. I think at that early on in the game everyone's just holding on to any little thing that happens and that's like the only thing that's really happened and I just think it was an accident. Or is she the secret traitor?
07:55What if she's putting all this on? What if she's not what if she's not mixing anything up at all? What if it's like Willy Wonka when he comes out the factory and he's on a walking stick and then he does a tumble?
08:08Exactly. Exactly. Fiona's gonna start doing flips. Yeah. Do flips in a red cloak. Now we know who isn't the secret traitor because of the murder shortlist. We've got James, Nettie and Maz. Do you think there's anyone else Jack that we can rule out of being the secret traitor?
08:25Who's 100% faithful essentially?
08:30It's funny because I feel like I trust Judy but I literally want her to be the secret traitor. So my want and my actually thinking it may be a different thing. I want her to be but I actually don't think she will be. I think she's faithful and unfortunately is just sadly on the chopping block at the moment.
08:44Now we don't know who the secret traitor is but neither do the traitors themselves. They were very shocked when Claudia told them. Let's remind ourselves of that.
08:52I just had to pop in because I have a small confession.
08:57Oh no.
09:00You are not the only traitors in this castle.
09:04At the round table I picked one other traitor.
09:09The secret traitor.
09:11Oh my god.
09:13You still have power but not quite as much.
09:17Hugo was gutted wasn't he?
09:22I think they all were a bit fuming to be honest.
09:25I don't blame them.
09:26We also said it makes it even worse for the faithfuls because if you as a faithful end up directing some attention at one of the traitors not actually knowing if they're a traitor or not,
09:36you're immediately going to look like the secret traitor to the traitors because obviously the secret traitor knows who the traitors are.
09:43So if you just happen to stumble as a faithful onto the right person and say in one of the traitors,
09:49you even more than normal maybe put more of a target on your back because the traitors are going to want to get rid of you so the secret traitor's gone.
09:55So do you think the secret traitor will be looking to knock out fellow traitors at this point in the game?
10:01Yeah, I think they're already showing that, you know, when they found out who the shortlist was, they all looked a bit perturbed,
10:11like they were like, why have they picked them?
10:13Like we are, as if there's like, there's almost an agreement that these weren't people you needed to pick.
10:18And either that's just a fluke or the secret traitor's laying the stall out early of,
10:23I'm not on your side and I'm not going to go with people I think you want to.
10:27As much as I think the secret traitor is against them, I don't necessarily think they're going to be trying to get rid of them just yet
10:33because there's no need, they're going to just recruit them.
10:35Do you know what I thought was interesting though, to Lucy's point?
10:38How come all three of them were annoyed at the shortlist?
10:42So surely there's something that the traitors have like cottoned onto or, you know, they would have picked three different names.
10:50So I think, a part of me thinks the secret traitor has done that to maybe like make their lives a bit harder.
10:57The actual traitors, because all three of them were like, why have they picked these people?
11:01Well, they had a discussion, they came to a sort of vague idea of who they might want to murder themselves.
11:06And then obviously it was completely different.
11:08I don't think there was any malice from the secret traitor picking those particular names.
11:13I just think they have very different ideas at this point.
11:15Because there's so many people, aren't there?
11:16So then there is, there's maybe a chance that at some point, the traitors start to work out who the secret traitor is.
11:24If, is that what you mean? That's such a clever point because they'll throw the heat onto them and they'll be like, whoa, that's weird.
11:31But then can only mention it at the round table because they can't murder them at night.
11:36Such a clever game.
11:37It's so clever now this is added into it.
11:39Who's part of this?
11:39It's good this show, isn't it? Yeah, it's a good show.
11:41I just can't live any more of my life in this headspace though.
11:45So it's like, oh God, I've got other things to be doing.
11:49I can't be, I can't believe I've now got to work out who a secret traitor is.
11:55I've had months and months of this.
11:57I'm sorry we made you come on this, Lucy.
11:59Now I'm, can you just tell, who is it?
12:01I don't know, I've got no idea.
12:03Isn't it frustrating?
12:04Yeah, it is.
12:05Mina, if this had happened on your series, how would it have altered your gameplay as a traitor?
12:10I feel like you just go into panic mode because like you guys said, as a traitor, that's all you want to get picked.
12:17You get picked, I'm with Armani and Linda, fantastic.
12:21And then Claudia tells you actually there's somebody else pulling the strings.
12:26I just think you'd have to try and keep everyone on side until you can work out who it is.
12:31Yeah.
12:32It's the only thing that you can do.
12:33But then you don't know who it is.
12:35So then what if you try to spread rumours about them and they're like, okay, I think you know what you're doing.
12:41Your days are numbered.
12:42I don't know, it's so hard.
12:44I just feel like you'd be so annoyed as a traitor.
12:47You think, I think Hugo actually said it, you want all the control as the traitor.
12:52Yeah.
12:53And actually with their show, they haven't got all the control because there's this massive thing that they don't know about.
12:59We should talk about the new cohort of non-secret traitors.
13:02The traitors that we know about.
13:04How do we think Hugo's going to be as a traitor?
13:07Mina, what do you reckon?
13:08I think the other two are going to get rid of him.
13:12Yeah.
13:12That's what I think.
13:14I quite like him to be honest, but I feel like Rachel and Stephen are synced up on how they want to play this game.
13:20And I think they'll work as a team, but I think Hugo's got the potential to potentially rub them up the wrong way.
13:26Therefore, they'll be like, you're not helping our plans to win as traitors.
13:31Yeah, they already have said, haven't they, that they think if anyone's going to sneak out, it's Hugo out of the three of them.
13:37And Rachel even said she doesn't trust him.
13:39And I think if you don't trust each other, yeah, it's not going to work.
13:47What do we think of Rachel as a traitor so far?
13:50Great.
13:51Good reaction faces to Storm.
13:52Yeah, I'm enjoying watching her.
13:54I think she's going to go very, very far.
13:57If you think she's a bit like you, like she's a shard from the stack.
14:01Yeah.
14:02She seems in control, but in a very calm, like measured way.
14:06And Hugo's, I think, relishing playing the part.
14:09Yes.
14:10Like calling Claudia the Queen of Darkness and all of this sort of stuff.
14:13He's just, he's ready for panto.
14:15Yeah.
14:16Yeah.
14:17He'd make a great dame.
14:18Yeah, he would.
14:19He's being very open about his job, being a barrister.
14:23And is that the sort of job that you would have thought, maybe try and keep that secret?
14:25Definitely.
14:26I also think that he's going to really struggle not having all the power.
14:30I think that he's going to, I think he's going to really, really find that hard.
14:34Because he went in there with that mindset.
14:36Yeah.
14:36And now it's flipped.
14:37I think it's flipped his whole game.
14:39And like, I think he's going to really struggle.
14:41Because obviously, once you're a traitor, like the whole thing is people not knowing who you are.
14:46So the fact that there's someone in that group that knows is scary.
14:50And he strikes me as someone who has quite a lot of control and power in his life anyway.
14:56He's scary that, isn't he?
14:57So that's what he's used to.
14:58Yeah.
14:59So to suddenly not have it, I think, is going to mess him up a little bit.
15:02Yeah.
15:03And finally, Stephen, we should talk about Stephen.
15:05Very well dressed.
15:05Best dressed man on the show.
15:07Totally.
15:07Do we think that's going to help him as a traitor?
15:09Yes.
15:10Yes.
15:10People trust fashionable people.
15:12Yes.
15:13Do they?
15:13Yeah, look at Jonathan Ross.
15:15He stayed for ages.
15:16He wasn't fashionable.
15:17Do you not think it was his looks that kept him in?
15:19And I think these lot were like, do you know what?
15:21Let's just see what he's going to wear tomorrow.
15:23So he's not saying he's as fashionable as Stephen, but he was quirky.
15:27I think let's see what Jonathan's wearing tomorrow is different to fashionable.
15:31Okay.
15:32I agree.
15:33There was one thing he was wearing I thought it was alive.
15:38He sat next to me and I went, skunk in it, he moved.
15:42And he said, no, it's attached to my jacket.
15:46But yeah, Stephen seems very affable as well.
15:48I think people will naturally trust him.
15:50Yeah, yeah.
15:51He was quite like warm.
15:52Very friendly, charming.
15:54I think he's going to probably go the best out of the three.
15:56Any other words to describe him?
15:57Wholesome.
15:58Yep.
15:58He is wholesome.
15:59Yep.
16:00I think, like you said, everyone's going to trust him.
16:02Yep.
16:03And therefore, the faithful will doubt that he is a traitor.
16:06But I think Rachel trusts him and I think he's going to have Rachel's back.
16:10So they'll work well together.
16:11Yeah.
16:12Lucy, now, obviously, you and the other faithful in your series struggle to catch traitors for quite a long time.
16:18Yeah.
16:19What do you think the chances are in this series of the traitors sneaking under the radar like Alan and Kat did?
16:24I don't think it's going to happen.
16:26I don't think it's going to happen with this.
16:28And I think, adding the secret trait, I think there's going to be a bigger turnover.
16:33I think they're going to get there.
16:35Molly, if you were in there as a faithful, is there anyone that you're suspicious of at this point?
16:40You're asking the wrong person, really, if you're honest.
16:43Whoever she says, it's the opposite.
16:44Literally, don't listen to me.
16:47Well, is there anyone in there that you'd trust and would be your best friend right until the end of the game?
16:51Oh, yeah, definitely.
16:52All three of the traitors.
16:53To be honest, at this stage, it's so early.
16:58Like, it really is.
17:00You don't know each other yet, which is the hardest thing because, like, it's hard to know if someone's slipping up like we talked about earlier.
17:04You don't know their personality.
17:06So, is that just them or is that them being guilty?
17:10I think once you kind of get to know people, you can pick up on things a lot better.
17:14Yeah.
17:14I say.
17:15But, who would you write down on the first banishment?
17:21Whoever everyone else is writing down, to be honest.
17:23Would you?
17:24Yeah.
17:24That Fiona thing doesn't help, does it?
17:26Like what you were saying about small little things to go on.
17:29Maybe you'd vote Fiona.
17:30If I was a faithful, that's the only thing that I've got to go off.
17:33Yeah.
17:34That's it.
17:34You'd probably do that.
17:35You sit at the table with pretty much no idea.
17:38You're obviously just going to take in everyone else's ideas.
17:40And to be quite honest, you're scared yourself of looking dodgy.
17:42So, you're going to literally put kind of what the group's saying.
17:46And also, you need the group to work together to get someone out.
17:49And someone has to go, unfortunately.
17:50So, it kind of makes sense if you have no idea.
17:53Obviously, if you have an inkling, then yeah, it's good to bring it up.
17:55If you have no idea, then go with the group, I say.
17:58So, we've got a whole bunch of new players to get to know over the coming weeks.
18:03So, let's discuss a few of them here.
18:04We've got a lot of people with interesting jobs this series.
18:08We've obviously got a secret barrister.
18:10Someone who is a barrister, but keeping it secret in Harriet.
18:14But we've got Hugo, who is an actual barrister.
18:17Or is he?
18:18Hugo is being honest about being a barrister.
18:20Oh, so now you're worried that Hugo is pretending to be a barrister.
18:23He's a lollipop man.
18:25I think he's a Claire Baldwin impersonator.
18:28I love how this secret traitor thing has made none of you trust anything that we've seen.
18:32Like, I don't believe him.
18:34Okay, well, I think I can tell you that Hugo is genuinely a barrister.
18:38It'd be a rubbish job to choose to lie about otherwise.
18:41Do you think that is going to draw suspicion to him?
18:43Yeah.
18:44Yeah, I think when people have got nothing, you grab onto anything.
18:47So, I definitely think...
18:48So, you think it's smarter, the thing that Harriet's doing, which is concealing being a barrister?
18:52Yeah, or like what Leanne did.
18:53I just think do something that people see as more everyday relatable.
18:57True.
18:58I think makes sense.
18:58Yeah, and if she can keep it a secret, that is.
19:01Do you know what I mean?
19:01She might slip up, and I think that's another thing she's got to think about, is you are lying in some way.
19:07And of course, we have the massive secret relationship, Judy and Roxy, a mother and daughter.
19:12Yeah.
19:12Let's remind ourselves of when Roxy revealed the secret.
19:16Oh, my gosh.
19:17James is running wild, saying Judy is a traitor.
19:21I don't know if she's a traitor or not.
19:23Judy seems lovely, but I'm bound to say that, considering she's my mum.
19:31Bloody hell, well, my mind's crumbling.
19:34Keeping it secret, just because I think if you come in as a pair, it's almost like an alliance.
19:40I feel super protective over her, and hearing anyone, like, cast out on her for her actions is just generally not quite nice.
19:49So there we are.
19:50I mean, I personally think that Roxy's already doing quite a bad job of concealing the relationship.
19:55Because there's been conversations where she is talking to Judy in such a way that only a daughter would talk to their mum.
20:01Yeah.
20:01So going, you are quite loud, aren't you?
20:03It's like, no, you're supposed to have just met.
20:05You've just met me.
20:06You've just met me.
20:06You're quite a loud lady, aren't you?
20:08I just think, of course, that's your mum.
20:09And also giving her tips, didn't she?
20:11In front of people.
20:12Yeah.
20:12It wasn't kind of, like, pulling her off to the side.
20:14Yeah.
20:14Because I know, like, Ross and Diane had little chats on the side.
20:16Like, Ross said to her at breakfast that morning, like, mum, sort yourself out, kind of thing, didn't he?
20:21But with this, it was in front of someone, and she was kind of like, maybe go round to the group, kind of giving her advice.
20:27Yeah.
20:27Why are you giving another player advice at this point?
20:30It was also with DCI Amanda.
20:32Yeah.
20:32Yeah, because I thought if I was Amanda, and Amanda's not the secret traitor,
20:38I would have thought, Roxy, are you the traitor?
20:40Because that's quite a weird thing to just say to someone you've met.
20:43Yeah.
20:44Like, 24 hours ago, kind of thing.
20:46Yeah, they're goners, aren't they?
20:47Yeah.
20:49Tomorrow they're going to come into breakfast, and Judy's going to be cutting up Roxy's food for her.
20:53She's like, thanks, mum.
20:54Yeah.
20:55Here comes the aeroplane.
20:56Yeah.
20:56I didn't like them when they were accusing Judy, because you instantly really like her,
21:03and the fact that she's got a daughter, and the job she does and stuff, you feel quite protective.
21:08Yeah.
21:08So then, I mean, it would be a clever twist if someone so sweet is a secret.
21:13And also, it would be an interesting twist, because she has a daughter in there.
21:17Yes.
21:17And again, like, I just think the secret traitor is just so mysterious that it being someone's mum is well on top of it.
21:23It's like, bam, bam, bam, like you get him fed.
21:24I hope it's Judy.
21:26It would be good.
21:27But, not if they're going to get her out.
21:29No, no, no.
21:29She needs to stay till the end.
21:31Now, the other major thing that happened in this episode for me was Nettie and Ross happened to know each other outside of the game.
21:37Poor old Ross.
21:38Ross was fuming.
21:39He did not want that bomb dropped, did he?
21:40No, he didn't.
21:40And this, I mean, this appears to be a genuine, complete coincidence.
21:44Yeah.
21:44That they just happened to have met beforehand.
21:46It's a long time ago as well.
21:47It's not like a recent thing.
21:49No.
21:49And Nettie's like, Nettie just runs, like, oh my God, it's you.
21:53And Ross is like, whoa.
21:53He's like, whoa, no.
21:55Please.
21:57I'm convinced that they're actually like brother and sister or like they're married.
22:01Because, I don't know, she was just, he was like, I think he said to her, let's pretend we don't know each other.
22:08And she wasn't listening.
22:09So then she's just like, forgot that they're supposed to not know each other.
22:13And then she's done that.
22:14And now he's like, yeah, we haven't seen her in 10 years.
22:17And it's like, you've seen her last night.
22:18So it's just a bit like, it's just like, yes, and it's just, let's just do whatever.
22:23I think it is genuinely just the coincidence.
22:24Me too.
22:25And she's made the decision in that second.
22:27She's not thought about it.
22:29And she said, oh, hello, we know each other.
22:31Whereas he's obviously had that extra thought of going, this will not help us in the game.
22:35Yeah.
22:35Well, it didn't because they both had their names.
22:38He did.
22:39Did she as well?
22:40She did.
22:41Yeah.
22:41I think everyone's thinking what I'm thinking.
22:43Is there more to this than what they're saying?
22:46Second guessing everything.
22:47Yeah.
22:47I do think if people come to believe Nettie, then I feel like that that was genuine.
22:53Yeah.
22:54Then maybe they'll believe that she's a faithful because clearly she's not someone who's playing
22:58any kind of game or like a poker situation and has just gone, oh, yeah.
23:01And then maybe afterwards they'll be like, oh, I shouldn't have said that.
23:03Yeah.
23:04But it's therefore trustworthy.
23:06Yeah.
23:06Well, it was a jam-packed episode, but we can't move on until we've talked about the
23:11massive first mission, the coffins in the lake.
23:15But it wasn't as simple as it seemed because true traitors fashion, there was an extra layer
23:19of savagery.
23:20Whoever had a coffin with the gold symbol put into their grave, that meant that they were
23:26up for murder.
23:27Everyone who didn't have the coffin put in technically had a shield at that point.
23:30Pretty brutal.
23:32How do we think tactics played into this?
23:34One of the groups said that they were just going for the first names that they saw, which
23:39I think this early on in the game, that's probably what you're best doing.
23:43When you start to put people's names down for basically murder, it's kind of like you're
23:49saying they're a traitor or you don't trust them or, and then that's going to cause people
23:53to think, well, why did you pick my name?
23:55I'd be upset.
23:56If I was a faithful and my name was one of those 10 names, I'd be really upset.
24:00Particularly if it was anything other than just at random.
24:02Yeah.
24:02Yeah.
24:03Whereas if it's random, then you're like, fair enough.
24:05It's the first name, whatever.
24:06Because they were all claiming random, weren't they?
24:08They were like, just put it in the closest one.
24:10Well, the other team were.
24:10So there was a little bit.
24:11That one team said that they had two people that they thought were maybe traitors, therefore
24:17don't bother wasting it on that.
24:19And then that's poor old Fiona's downfall when she got the wrong end of the ore.
24:23Yeah.
24:23I'd also be upset if that was me and they'd just taken away my opportunity to have a shield.
24:28But I'd be like, yeah, it's, yeah.
24:31You're going to remember that as well, aren't you?
24:32It's so difficult to know whether you should put the coffin in if you suspect someone of
24:36being a traitor or you should absolutely not put the coffin in.
24:39And even if you do think those things, nobody wants to put, stick their neck out so early
24:43on.
24:43Yeah.
24:44I think doing the first thing you see is the easiest thing to do because there's very
24:48little game playing.
24:49I think I'm just at the back of the coffin.
24:50I'm holding on to it.
24:51Totally.
24:52Keep in quiet.
24:53Yeah.
24:53Okay, where do you want me to put it?
24:54Yeah.
24:55With the new twist of the secret traitor, Molly, what do you think people should be looking
24:59out for on the missions in terms of suspicions?
25:03The missions are going to be a good time for the traitors to look for the secret traitor,
25:07I guess.
25:09Anyone who's just wearing a bit of red, maybe?
25:12A red cloak would do it, wouldn't it, really?
25:14That would help, I think.
25:16Would help me.
25:17The thing is, the only person in there who would, I think, have red trousers would be
25:21Hugo and we know he's a traitor already.
25:23I think the thing that people could pick up on about the secret traitor, if they're
25:28a traitor, is kind of anyone trying to maybe throw them under the bus and kind of give clues,
25:33especially when it gets a bit deeper into the game and they need to find a traitor, because
25:37it does get to that point where the faithfuls need to find a traitor because someone needs
25:41to go.
25:42Yeah.
25:42So I think when it gets to that point and they're doing missions, or even just day
25:46to day, seeing who's trying to throw you under the bus maybe might be a good
25:50way to pick them out.
25:51And obviously, we're narrowing it down now with who they can murder and things like
25:56that.
25:56But yeah, maybe something like that could help them.
25:58So who do we think is going to be the first murdered player?
26:02Obviously, the traitors are working from the shortlist of James, Nettie and Maz.
26:07So it's going to be one of those three.
26:09Oh, not Maz.
26:10No, not Maz.
26:11Maz is a sweetheart, isn't he?
26:12Oh, he is.
26:13But I don't think it'll be James, because I think he's been too vocal so far.
26:17Yeah.
26:17Therefore, the traitors could do with keeping him in, because he's going to be one of the
26:20hot suspects.
26:21So I feel like maybe Nettie considering the connection to Ross.
26:26But then do you not think there's suspicion on Nettie because of that connection?
26:29Right.
26:30So then Maz.
26:30I fear that it's going to be Maz.
26:33And I don't want it to be.
26:34He needs to practice his Cobra mark.
26:36Yeah.
26:38He wasn't quite there with it.
26:39No.
26:39Yeah.
26:40And he's not going to have time.
26:41No.
26:42Yeah, I think because James has been throwing out accusations, so the traitors would be silly
26:48to get rid of him, because he will get himself banished.
26:50Yeah.
26:50That's what I think.
26:52Nettie is potentially looking shifty with the Ross connection, and then that leaves Maz.
26:57I don't want Maz to go, and I'll be devastated if it is him.
27:01Isn't it funny how you instantly, like, some people are just, you know, not that they're
27:05not all kind, but some people just radiate really kind face, do they?
27:08There's a lot of very warm players this time, and I think Maz and Ross as well just really
27:16come through the screen.
27:17Yeah, definitely.
27:18I sort of love them already.
27:19When Maz said he had five kids, we all went, oh.
27:21Yeah, we did.
27:22Nice guys finish last, they say.
27:24Oh, no.
27:26I hope not.
27:27Well, we've run out of time here, but if you can't get enough, the chat will continue
27:31on BBC Sounds.
27:32We're going to discuss what jobs and life experience make for the best traitors and faithful.
27:36Plus, I'll be getting predictions from Lucy, Mina, Molly, and Jack on whether they think
27:41the Traitors or the Faithful are going to win this series.
27:44It's all in the bonus episode of Uncloaked in your BBC Sounds app right now.
27:48Find that in your app store, or you can scan the QR code on screen.
27:52We'll be back again after episode two of The Traitors, and this time on BBC One for the
27:57rest of the series.
27:58We'll have the first murdered player, and if anyone's banished, they'll be here too.
28:02Plus, some special guests, including Joe Marler, to unpack everything from the first
28:06few days at the castle.
28:08A massive thanks to Lucy, Mina, Molly, and Jack for joining me, and thanks to you for
28:12watching as well.
28:13I'm Ed Gamble.
28:14Stay faithful.
28:18Don't know about you.
28:19I'm loving it already.
28:21Unconventional and unpredictable, faithful Hyundai, Joe Marler will see you now.
28:25You can listen to that on BBC Sounds.
28:27And Fast Paced, Dangerous, and Glamorous, the new series of The Night Manager.
28:31Press red and leap into the opening episode.
28:34That's on iPlayer.
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