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00:00...realized companion podcast with me, Ed Gamble.
00:03And before I go any further, there are so many spoilers in this episode that I lost count.
00:07So, make sure you've watched episode 2 of The Traitors on BBC iPlayer before you watch this.
00:13So, what's coming up?
00:15We'll take a deep dive into the secret traitor.
00:17What are the clues? Who are the main suspects?
00:20Judy and Nettie join us to reflect on their time in the castle.
00:23Plus, traitor hunter Joe Marler and faithful Tom and Alex from Series 1
00:28are here to talk secret traitors and bubbling suspicions.
00:36Welcome, welcome to all of you. Alex, Tom, Joe.
00:38Hello.
00:39Hello, Joe.
00:40Hello, Joe. Thanks for having us back.
00:42Of course, you're most welcome. We're very excited to have you here.
00:44We've got to talk about the secret traitor.
00:46Love it.
00:47In this series.
00:48This is mega. It's huge, isn't it?
00:49Oh, it's so cool.
00:51A few levels to the game now.
00:52I feel like I'm back in the game.
00:54Yeah.
00:55And now I've just started making notes.
00:57I saw that.
00:57Because of this secret traitor, I can play.
01:02I can actually play.
01:03Rather than just watch it and just watch it, I can actually play now.
01:06So I'm really excited, but also really bemused by it all.
01:10Yeah, it's perplexing for sure.
01:12I mean, we do have some clues, obviously.
01:15And us watching at home, we do get more clues than they do.
01:18We've got the short lists for a start, because we know anyone who's been put on the short list for murder is not the secret traitor.
01:24So, so far, we know that James, Ben, Rhys and Maz are faithful.
01:29Can I just corroborate that with my...
01:31Yeah, open your notes.
01:32With my notes, whether you've done that or not.
01:34I've been trying to read his notes, because he's clearly good at finding...
01:37Yeah, let Joe consult his very small book for such a big man.
01:43So we've got James, Ben, Rhys and Maz.
01:45We know they're faithful.
01:47Faithful.
01:47Hundies.
01:48Hundies.
01:48They're Hundies.
01:49I actually, in my notes, wrote down that Maz could be the secret traitor, even though he can't, actually.
01:59He couldn't be.
01:59Yeah, yeah.
02:00You can have to say that.
02:00But that's only because he had red trainers on.
02:02Oh.
02:03I love that we're looking at hair and clothes.
02:05Could be Sam, because he's got the same amount of letters as red in his name.
02:14It's factually true.
02:15Joe, you have a reputation for being a really good traitor hunter.
02:18Yeah.
02:18I feel like some of this stuff...
02:20Potluck.
02:21...is maybe a little bit spurious, maybe.
02:23Do you?
02:24Well, maybe the Sam Red thing.
02:26Obviously, our shortlist to murder in this episode is Ben, Rhys and Maz.
02:31Does this shortlist tell us anything, Joe, about who the secret traitor might be?
02:34Obviously, they seem to think it's a woman based on the fact that it's three men on the shortlist.
02:37Yeah, I'm inclined to go, it's feminine.
02:39Like, there's a lot of male-heavy shortlist on the murder.
02:43I mean, my speculation is that it could be Amanda.
02:46She was an ex-peace detective.
02:47If she is a faithful, in my opinion, I think she's not playing a very good game.
02:52Okay.
02:52Because she's putting herself out there too much that the other traitors would want to murder her.
02:57Yeah.
02:57But if she is a secret traitor, then maybe she's actually playing a really good game.
03:01Because she's putting herself out there so much that no one would think that she's the traitor.
03:04So, we do have another pretty big clue, I think.
03:07Let's have a look at the handwriting on the murder shortlist from the previous episode.
03:11There it is.
03:12We can obviously look at the handwriting and perhaps compare that to some votes that have been on the chalkboards at the round table.
03:19It's quite small and neat handwriting.
03:21Yeah, I think it's really quite feminine.
03:23Yeah.
03:24And in my notebook, I made that Jade, Fiona and Roxy had quite similar writing.
03:31So, what about you, Tom and Alex?
03:33What does that handwriting tell you?
03:34And remember, there's a potential that the secret traitor could be disguising their handwriting at the round table or, indeed, when they're writing the shortlist.
03:42I would definitely be disguising my handwriting, for sure.
03:46It's quite old-fashioned writing.
03:48I don't think anyone really writes like that anymore.
03:49Like, you look at the Z, it's very...
03:51I mean, I haven't seen a Z like that in a very, very long time.
03:54Yeah.
03:54I like the curve.
03:55It's really good.
03:56It's really good writing.
03:57So, are you thinking older, then?
03:59I would lean towards someone maybe a bit more mature, yeah.
04:02Yeah.
04:03Who do we think it definitely isn't?
04:05Who are your Hundis, Joe?
04:06I want to say Faraz.
04:08Okay.
04:08I want him to be a Hundi.
04:10Yeah.
04:10Because he just seems like, oh, I'm having a good time.
04:13Yeah, yeah.
04:14And that would be a mega twist if he's not.
04:17But, yeah, I'm going to stick with it.
04:19Faraz is a Hundi.
04:20Faraz is a Hundi.
04:21Tom?
04:22I think Sam.
04:23Okay.
04:24I think Sam.
04:24He was very loud, and I was very loud, and I was not a traitor.
04:29I think it would be crazy to be loud and traitor-y.
04:34If it is Sam, he's playing a very risky, I must say.
04:37A hugely risky game, I would say.
04:39Because he's a real voice at the round table.
04:41Strong.
04:41He's going around, he's sowing seeds.
04:43No matter what he says, he was sowing seeds about Judy, I think.
04:46And if you're the secret traitor, you've got no heat on you.
04:48Yeah.
04:48Just be quiet.
04:49Just relax.
04:50Sit back, relax, enjoy the game.
04:51What about you, Alex?
04:52I also think Sam is a Hundi, because he did make a bit of a fool of himself at the round table.
04:58Yeah.
04:58It was a lot.
04:59And if you were a secret traitor, and you've got that power, you would have zero need to
05:04do any of that.
05:05Yeah.
05:05And if he was, then it was a bit foolish.
05:08If you guys were the secret traitor, how do you think you would have played it?
05:11What do you think, Joe?
05:14Because I have no experience of being a traitor.
05:17Yeah.
05:18Snap.
05:18I'd go berserk.
05:19I'd just start planting seeds and being like, right, it's Rachel.
05:25Yeah.
05:25Why?
05:26I just know.
05:27I just reckon so.
05:27I'd just say it all, get them all out early doors and then see what happens.
05:32I'd love to see that.
05:32But before I got that, I'd get a little bit closer to Hugo, because he's quite a character.
05:37Yeah, yeah.
05:37And I'd have a little bit of fun with him.
05:39Yeah.
05:39Maybe the odd wink and stuff like that.
05:42And then he's gone.
05:43So you'd give yourself away immediately as the secret traitor to the other traitors by winking.
05:48Yeah, yeah.
05:48And finally, how do we think the traitors are doing so far?
05:51This is the traitors that we know the identity of.
05:54Joe, what do you reckon?
05:56I think Rachel's probably the one that's thinking more about how to strategize with the game and that lot.
06:04Hugo's being a bit more of the jolly, friendly, I'm a faithful, let's have a good laugh together.
06:09And Stephen, well, he's just immaculate.
06:11Yeah.
06:12Like, can we talk about how incredible he looks?
06:15Yes.
06:15Yeah, he's so cool.
06:16That blue jacket in the first episode.
06:18He looks great.
06:20But it's so nice to see them under as much pressure as the faithful.
06:24Yeah.
06:25Because they're all scrambling a little bit.
06:27Yeah.
06:27Yeah, they're doing all right.
06:29Yeah, I'm enjoying them as a crew.
06:32I think they've been very, very well selected.
06:34And like you say, you've got the Immaculate Stephen, you've got the Savvy Rachel, and then Hugo is like from a Dickens book.
06:40So we had our first roundtable of the series, and after coming under a lot of suspicion, Faithful Judy was voted out.
06:50I'd just like to say, you've been absolutely amazing.
06:53I've had an absolute blast.
06:57And I'm just me.
06:59I am.
07:10The faithful.
07:11Very sad to lose Judy this early.
07:20Yeah.
07:20Quite a character and clearly a lovely person as well.
07:23But obviously, the secret relationship, she is Roxy's mum.
07:27Does the secret relationship help in there?
07:30I mean, I'm obviously going to ask you to.
07:31No.
07:32I'm going to jump straight in.
07:33No.
07:33I mean, I shouted about it, and we died.
07:37And then, obviously, you keep it.
07:38You can't.
07:39We've not seen a couple do well yet.
07:41It's incredibly hard when you're in there as a pair.
07:43What do you think would have happened had you not shouted about it?
07:46Oh, we've been rich right now.
07:47We'd be on holiday.
07:48A great time.
07:50No, I think having a secret relationship just adds to the stress.
07:55Yeah.
07:55Because you've not only got yourself to worry about, you're then worrying about that other person,
07:59which presumably you care about that person, otherwise you wouldn't have brought them in with you.
08:03But, like, the whole time that you were in there with me, I was thinking,
08:06oh, God, is he going to make it in the next day?
08:08Like, is he making a fool of himself?
08:09What the hell is he wearing today?
08:11Honestly.
08:12She would do little lines like, oh, nice shirt, and in my head, oh, you bought it for me.
08:14Very good.
08:15Very good.
08:16Like that.
08:16Right.
08:17It's almost time to invite our banished and murdered players into the studio.
08:21But before I chat to them, here's the moment they both found out who the traitors are shortly after leaving the game.
08:29Oh, my God!
08:31Are you okay?
08:32Oh, my God!
08:33Oh, my gosh!
08:34Oh, my God!
08:39The fact that I'm seeing you here now, I feel like I probably did play a part in that, and I am sorry for that.
08:44That's fine.
08:45It's killing me, because I've either got regret in my heart for putting your name out there, or I'm going to be really excited.
08:52What are you?
08:53What were you?
08:54Well, to be honest, I'm...
08:59I'm...
09:00I'm...
09:01a fake book!
09:04Oh, you too!
09:05Do you like that?
09:06I'm so sorry.
09:07I'm so sorry.
09:08It's okay.
09:09It's okay.
09:10I feel like that's on me.
09:11No.
09:12And I'm sorry.
09:13We're in a game.
09:14Who are your definite traitors?
09:15I think one could be Roxy.
09:17Ooh.
09:18Why?
09:19Because she's quite bubbly and out there and she's too much running around everybody.
09:25Okay.
09:26And lively.
09:27So, yeah, Roxy's one of them.
09:29Mm-hmm.
09:30Two is also Stephen.
09:31Oh.
09:32Because Stephen is...
09:34I mean, he's loving, he's very caring, you can see, and he always gives you a hug, make sure you're all right.
09:40But you see, for me, I just think it doesn't seem sincere when he gives me a hug and things like that.
09:47Okay.
09:48And the third one would be Sam.
09:51Oh!
09:52Because half the time he spends smiling and very quiet, keeps himself in the background.
09:57Okay.
09:58Trying to be Mr. Smooth.
10:01So, yeah, I think it's Sam.
10:03Okay.
10:04Who do you think the traitors are, Nettie?
10:06Well, like, I do think you are a traitor.
10:09I can't lie.
10:10Okay.
10:11But then having time to reflect.
10:12Yeah.
10:13And you can tell me what you think about this.
10:15Okay.
10:16Rachel.
10:17Well, no, that's not...
10:19Okay.
10:20I don't think that with Rachel, because she tried to out Ross.
10:25She never voted for me.
10:26She voted for Ross.
10:27Okay.
10:28So, she could have jumped on the bandwagon, but she didn't.
10:30Yeah.
10:31Right?
10:32She'll find out.
10:33Let's go, let's do it.
10:34Okay.
10:35Oh, my God.
10:36Oh, God, I feel a bit sick.
10:37I can see who decided to kill me, right?
10:40Right, okay.
10:43Oh!
10:44Right, first traitor name is Hugo.
10:49No way!
10:51Hugo.
10:52Jesus.
10:53He's using his barrister skills very well.
10:56Yeah.
10:57Before I got through the round table, I was going to pick Hugo.
11:00What made you not?
11:01Sam.
11:02His whisperings.
11:03Yeah.
11:04Right, you ready for the next one?
11:05God.
11:16Rachel.
11:17No!
11:18Rachel.
11:19No!
11:20I'm glad at least I got one right.
11:23Oh, my goodness.
11:24She's playing a good game.
11:25That is very good.
11:27Okay.
11:28Ready for the next one?
11:29Yeah.
11:37You were right.
11:38Who?
11:39Stephen!
11:40I told you!
11:41I told you!
11:42If we'd actually put our heads together, we would have had, like, two of the three.
11:46I knew that there was something there.
11:48Oh!
11:49I knew.
11:50I'm hoping people have got eyes on him.
11:52On both of them.
11:53I tell you what, I'm not being funny, but they're all playing a very good game.
11:58Yeah, yeah.
11:59Just a minute, Nettie.
12:00There's another one, isn't there?
12:02There is.
12:03What is that one?
12:04Shall we find out?
12:06I don't know if I can check any more.
12:08Go on.
12:09Well, I'm kind of loving this.
12:10Yes, I am as well.
12:12Okay, let's go.
12:16Ooh!
12:17See, I was thinking about this.
12:19There's a secret relationship.
12:21No.
12:23Judy.
12:24Ah!
12:25What?!
12:26You!
12:27Judy and Roxy are mother and daughter!
12:32What?!
12:33Sorry!
12:34Is she adopted?
12:35Yes.
12:36Oh, my God!
12:38That's, like, half of that.
12:40Wow.
12:41What's the wedding from that one?
12:42Wow.
12:43I love that.
12:44So, my daughter, I'm thinking, go, Roxy, go, Roxy.
12:47I love that.
12:48So, my daughter, I'm thinking, go, Roxy, go, Roxy.
12:50I love that.
12:51Oh, you must be so proud.
12:52I'm so proud of her.
12:53And Judy and Natty are with us now.
12:55Woo!
12:56Welcome to Uncloaks.
12:59We're obviously very sad to see you go so early,
13:00but we're glad we get to chat with you now.
13:02Yes.
13:03First things first.
13:04Judy, in that tape, you said that you thought your own daughter was a traitor.
13:06Oh!
13:07Is that something you genuinely think, or were you just keeping up the pretence as long as
13:20you possibly could?
13:21To be fair, we did a mission together, and she gave me a look, and I thought, ooh, she
13:26must be a traitor.
13:27She must be saving me.
13:28And that's what I thought.
13:29Oh.
13:30Obviously.
13:31Not.
13:32Well, she was definitely trying to save you, I think.
13:34She was definitely trying.
13:35Yes, she was.
13:36But was that a traitorous thing?
13:37We don't know yet, but potentially.
13:38No idea.
13:39But I love that you allowed yourself to suspect your own daughter.
13:42But you've got to.
13:43I mean, we've been discussing it already, but we thought as soon as you went in there,
13:46Roxy was basically treating you openly like you were her mum anyway.
13:51We saw her going, the problem is, Judy, you're a very loud lady.
13:54Yes.
13:55A bit forward for a stranger.
13:58I am.
13:59Netta, your reaction to finding out that Judy is Roxy's mum was absolutely priceless.
14:04I was shook.
14:05Yeah, talk us through that reaction.
14:07So I, of the evening that I did have, I was sort of putting all these sort of little links together.
14:13She'd obviously said on the train she was adopted.
14:16So I took that on board.
14:18But I'm going down the route of Harriet, you know, Fiona, anyone else.
14:22Didn't look at this one here.
14:24Yeah.
14:25So that, yeah, that did throw me slightly.
14:27It must have been nice to see Roxy defend you so much though, Judy at the round table.
14:31Oh, I was saying, go on Roxy.
14:32I know what my daughter's like, she's very, she's very out there.
14:36And if she's got something to be in her bonnet, she will grab onto it and run with it.
14:40Yeah.
14:41So I knew she was sort of trying to stick up for me.
14:43You've only just seen her reaction after you left the round table.
14:47She was, she was pretty cross with everyone.
14:49Yeah.
14:50Oh yeah.
14:51That's Roxy to a T.
14:52It looks like she's on a bit of a revenge mission now though.
14:55Oh, she will be.
14:56Oh, she will be.
14:57For me, obviously, I came out and I just thought, go and shine.
15:01Go and be the Roxy I know and love.
15:03Did you at any moment plan to reveal your relationship?
15:06No.
15:07Keep it secret to the end.
15:08Oh, we had a full mission and everything.
15:10Oh, we don't know each other.
15:11And she just kept gravitating to me.
15:13Let's talk about your predictions in that tape about who the traitors were.
15:16Nettie, what made you suspicious of Rachel?
15:19I didn't get much time to sort of talk with her in the castle.
15:22But do you remember on the night that I was murdered, she was in the kitchen.
15:27She was very good at kind of just listening to people.
15:29She didn't say too much.
15:31I was going at it with Ross and saying, you know, all these sorts of things.
15:35Just watch out.
15:36And, you know, she's just over there in the corner quietly soaking it all in.
15:40Yeah.
15:41So I think she maybe used that against me.
15:43Jo, what did we think of their traitors predictions?
15:45Because there were two out of three between the two of them.
15:48Not bad.
15:49Well, it's spot on, isn't it?
15:50Yeah, we did a lot.
15:51It's just a shame that everyone else wanted to get rid of you.
15:54If you stayed in there longer, you'd have hunted them down.
15:57I think we would have had them.
15:58I think we would have been on it.
15:59But maybe we were the threat that they didn't want in there.
16:02Got a bit scared of us.
16:03Uh-huh.
16:04Too strong ladies.
16:05I think so.
16:06Oh, you're now friends now.
16:07Oh, friends.
16:08She's forgiving me.
16:09Best friends.
16:11I think it's fair to say there were some prior relationships in there for both of you, actually.
16:15But some more unexpected than others.
16:18I know how it looks.
16:21I'll be really honest and say, when I'd initially come out of the cars, I was obviously saying hello to everybody.
16:26And I'd initially, honestly, just planned to go recognize her and not say anything.
16:31But one thing I want to assure you, I had genuinely no idea.
16:37I'm still sitting on the fence.
16:39I don't necessarily know whether you're traitors or not, but the connection for me is just a little bit like, it's a huge coincidence.
16:47Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:48That's fair.
16:49It's just got to be questioned, but that's just me being honest with you.
16:54Judy, that was like the popcorn meme of just you sitting back with us, just enjoying it all unfold.
17:02Neti, talk us through how you felt when you saw Russ when you arrived at the castle.
17:06I mean, my mind was blown and I think you saw from my reaction.
17:09Yeah.
17:10It was just sheer, what is this?
17:12Yeah.
17:13To the point where I mounted him in excitement.
17:15Wow.
17:17I was not expecting it at all.
17:19Yeah.
17:20In my mind's eye, I've come to this castle.
17:22I'm not going to know anyone.
17:24And then this big beast of a man that, you know, has got quite a presence.
17:28I'm like, I know you.
17:29Did you recognise him straight away?
17:31Yes.
17:32Albeit, I couldn't remember his name in the first, second.
17:35Because it has been such a long time since we saw each other.
17:38Yeah.
17:39But you know, you're not going to forget that face and body.
17:41Yeah.
17:42Not if that sounds wrong.
17:44It sounds, it sounds.
17:46It sounds exactly how it sounds.
17:47But he's a presence.
17:48He's a presence.
17:49How do you know each other?
17:50Just years and years ago, we had a mutual friend.
17:52I played basketball.
17:54And he's obviously into fitness and it was just sort of a connection through that.
17:59Yeah.
18:00So, South East London.
18:01But what a mad coincidence.
18:02And I just, I couldn't stop my brain ticking over.
18:05Like how, I just didn't understand.
18:07Was it planned?
18:08Did they know?
18:09Were you secretly gutted though?
18:11I know you had that moment where you mounted him and you were like,
18:14great to see you.
18:16Great to see you, Ross.
18:18Who are you?
18:19But then were you like, oh, maybe this is going to work against me.
18:22Yeah.
18:23No, see, I'm not as smart as, like, he obviously said he didn't plan to.
18:26And he didn't know I was going to be there either.
18:28Yeah.
18:29It was genuine shock for both of us.
18:31But in my, I'm an excitable puppy, so I hadn't sort of thought a few steps ahead
18:36in terms of, okay, I can't play into this because clearly I just reacted.
18:40Well, you can see that when you see each other, that he has that split second of like, should I say, should I not?
18:46And by that point, you're on it.
18:47I didn't give him a chance.
18:48Yeah.
18:49You're absolutely on it.
18:50You have no chance in this.
18:51I don't know what would have happened if you just, he turned around and went, I've no idea who you are.
18:55Who are you?
18:56Why are you, why are you having to, this is weird.
18:58Did you want to push me away by the head?
19:01Judy, did you suspect anything of their relationship?
19:04How did you feel when you found out that they knew each other in the past?
19:06Well, the first thing you think, oh, why?
19:08Are they together?
19:09Are they a couple?
19:10Yeah.
19:11Of course you're going to go down that road.
19:12I mean, imagine, imagine if they were a secret couple and then Nettie blew it that early.
19:17She's like, oh, I forgot.
19:19I've bloody mounted him now.
19:21There's nothing I can do.
19:25But then if you, like, if you had thought that knowing that you and Roxy had your secret relationship,
19:30would you have thought, you didn't obviously think any different of it.
19:33Obviously, everyone was like, ooh, ooh, ooh.
19:35So obviously it got people talking, so there was something else to talk about.
19:38That's a really good point.
19:39That very much takes the heat off you and Roxy initially,
19:41that they're all talking about that relationship rather than any potential other ones.
19:46Who made the decision to go on the show, Judy? Was it you or Roxy?
19:49Me? Roxy got me into the game, obviously, to watch it.
19:53And she says, there's a great thing on, you need to watch this mum and da-da-da-da, whatever.
19:57And then when it finished, I thought, I could do that. I could do that.
20:01I was going on my own. And I thought, you know what?
20:03Our rocks. She lives in Amsterdam.
20:05She's a recruitment officer. And I adopted her. Why not?
20:08So you only adopted her after you'd applied for Traitor?
20:10No.
20:11I need a daughter to go on Traitors with.
20:20So, of course, the huge thing in this series, right at the top of the series, the secret traitor.
20:26Are there any inklings from you guys as to who the secret traitor could be?
20:31Let's start with you, Nettie.
20:32It baffled the hell out of me because just no expectation.
20:36Obviously, you know that something's going to be different.
20:39Even when we're on the train, we're like, something's going to happen.
20:41And it was all a bit too easy.
20:43So this bombshell was fabulous. I love it.
20:45I want to think of Fiona as I watch her and thinking about how she was in the castle, like very bubbly and sort of silly.
20:55But then watching her when she's in sort of the private chats, she just had this like air of calm and cool about her.
21:02So I think she's got my eye on her.
21:05What about you, Judy?
21:06I think Jade.
21:08Jade could be a good shout because she's being a little bit quiet, but she's still involved in the game.
21:13Jade can definitely hold her own.
21:15Did you pick up on the handwriting as well?
21:17Round the round table.
21:18I think Judy had enough to deal with at the round table.
21:20Judy, Judy.
21:21No, never. Oh, that was going down.
21:23What's it like in that moment when you're at the round table and you can feel a lot of suspicion coming at you?
21:29How does that feel?
21:30Well, obviously I was warm because Roxy had said, Judy, your name's been out there a lot.
21:34I thought, oh, is it now?
21:36And obviously there's a little bit what you see me talk to somebody in the kitchen.
21:40Yes.
21:41I was ready.
21:42I thought, bring it on.
21:43We just have to go with it.
21:44You went down with your head held high.
21:45Absolutely.
21:46I loved that moment where you'd got wind of, who's been saying my name?
21:50Yeah.
21:51And then it was like, oh, Sam's been saying a lot.
21:53Where is he?
21:54Yeah.
21:55Where is he?
21:56There's no moment to be like, I wonder what's going to happen.
21:59Let's collect ourselves and see what's going to happen.
22:01It is, where is he?
22:03Find him now.
22:04Are you avoiding me today, Sam?
22:05No.
22:06Aren't you?
22:07Why?
22:08Why did you say that?
22:09I've not spoke to you much today.
22:10I thought you were avoiding me.
22:11You were carrying me on the throne.
22:14I think you're avoiding me for some reason, but I'm ready for you.
22:17What made you go, right, I'm just going to go confront him straight away?
22:21Because that's what kind of person I am.
22:23I can't have anything to fester.
22:25I have to confront it, say it, get it off my chest.
22:28Was it awkward the fact that you were sat next to each other at the round table?
22:32Yeah, that was so good.
22:33I've never seen someone so loud go so quiet so quickly and then have to sit next to that person.
22:37It was so good.
22:38Because he's playing a completely different game of traitors to the one you were playing.
22:42Because he was not expecting anyone to call him out on it.
22:45He was like, well, that'll come up at the round table, but this game's all about subterfuge.
22:48It's about being quiet.
22:50It's about not revealing your true intentions.
22:52Next thing you know, kitchen door flies off the floor.
22:55In comes Judy.
22:56You've been avoiding me today!
22:59I can't believe I said that.
23:01Oh, it's great. It's so good.
23:02So good.
23:03Tom and Alex, how do you think Roxy should play the game now that Judy's out?
23:08Do you think keep the relationship absolutely quiet?
23:11Put it in the bin. Act like it never existed.
23:13Yeah.
23:14There's literally zero reason or benefit to her to mention it.
23:18I think she should get the revenge mission done.
23:21Against Sam.
23:22Against Sam.
23:23Get Sam gone and then just forget about it.
23:25Yeah.
23:26Withdraw just so that you still love her.
23:28And she probably will.
23:29You don't want your mum on holiday with you for the whole thing anyway, do you?
23:32No.
23:33No.
23:34Not at all.
23:35I feel like you wouldn't cramp her style.
23:36I feel like...
23:37I'm not that kind of...
23:38Yeah.
23:39We've got a great relationship and she can hold her own.
23:41Yeah.
23:42I don't need to hold her hand.
23:43I love the way how much you defended yourself.
23:45I would love to have seen you if someone was accusing Roxy in front of you.
23:48Oh, yeah.
23:49That would have been great.
23:50Yeah, how would that have gone down?
23:51There's not enough words on here.
23:54Before we go, Joe, I think we have to talk about your trainers because they're absolutely incredible.
23:58Thanks.
23:59Yours are nice too.
24:00Thank you so much.
24:01But mine aren't sort of custom traitors trainers.
24:03Yes.
24:04The celebrity trainers, of course.
24:05Yeah.
24:06Yeah, I got these done.
24:07They're amazing.
24:08Yeah.
24:09I did send it to the rest of the cast to get their thoughts and they were fucking livid.
24:15Sorry.
24:16Sorry.
24:17They were livid.
24:18They were like, what have you done to our faces and that line?
24:21I was like, well, it was based around the laser mission that we had.
24:26Yes.
24:27The heads that we had made of us were slightly suspect as well.
24:32They're really cool.
24:33I thought they're nice and this is the opportunity to wear them.
24:36Yeah, they're perfect.
24:37I love them.
24:39The chat continues over on BBC Sounds where Joe, Tom, Alex, Nettie and Judy will be sticking
24:44around to do a tactical deep dive on the series so far and we'll also be discussing post-Traitor's
24:49life.
24:50It's all in your bonus episode of Uncloaked which you can listen to right now.
24:53It's quite simple really.
24:54All you need to do is scan the QR code on the screen or search for us on your BBC Sounds
24:59app.
25:00We'll be back tomorrow night where I'll be joined by celebrity Traitor Kat Burns and Faithful
25:04Turn Traitor from Series 3 Charlotte for more fun and treachery on BBC One.
25:09A huge thanks to Joe, Tom, Alex, Judy and Nettie for joining me.
25:12I'm Ed Gamble.
25:13Stay faithful.
25:14Yes, Uncloaked is back here on BBC One tomorrow night at nine.
25:23A brand new series on the way.
25:25Amanda and Alan are rolling up their sleeves with a new renovation.
25:29Let's get ourselves some winter sun.
25:31Their Greek job is next.
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