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00:00We'll take a deep dive into the secret traitor.
00:03What are the clues?
00:04Who are the main suspects?
00:05Judy and Nettie join us to reflect on their time in the castle.
00:09Plus, traitor hunter Joe Mahler and faithful Tom and Alex from Series 1 are here to talk
00:14secret traitors and bubbling suspicions.
00:21Welcome.
00:22Welcome to all of you.
00:23Alex, Tom, Joe.
00:24Hello.
00:25Hello, Joe.
00:26Hello, Joe.
00:27Thanks for having us back.
00:28Of course, you're most welcome.
00:29Good to have you here.
00:30We've got to talk about the secret traitor.
00:31Love it.
00:32In this series.
00:33This is mega.
00:34It's huge, isn't it?
00:35Oh, it's so cool.
00:36Few levels to the game now.
00:38I feel like I'm back in the game.
00:40Yeah.
00:41And now I've just started making notes.
00:42I saw that.
00:43Now, because of this secret traitor, I can play.
00:47I can actually play rather than just watch it and just...
00:50Yeah.
00:51I can actually play now.
00:52So I'm really excited, but also really bemused by it all.
00:56Yeah, it's perplexing for sure.
00:58We do have some clues, obviously, and us watching at home, we do get more clues than
01:03they do.
01:04We've got the shortlists for a start, because we know anyone who's been put on the shortlist
01:07for murder is not the secret traitor.
01:10So, so far we know that James, Ben, Rhys and Maz are faithful.
01:14Can I just corroborate that with my...
01:16Yeah.
01:17Open your notes.
01:18With my notes, whether you've done that or not.
01:20I've been trying to read his notes, because he's clearly good at finding traitors.
01:23Let Joe consult his very small book for such a big man.
01:25Okay.
01:28So we've got James, Ben, Rhys and Maz.
01:31We know they're faithful.
01:32Faithful.
01:33Hundys.
01:34Hundys.
01:35They're Hundys.
01:36In my notes, wrote down that Maz could be the secret traitor, even though he can't actually.
01:44He couldn't be.
01:45Yeah, yeah.
01:46You can have to say that.
01:47But that's only because he had red trainers on.
01:48Oh.
01:49I love that we're looking at hair and clothes.
01:50Good spot.
01:51Good spot.
01:52Because he's got the same amount of letters as red in his name.
01:59It's factually true.
02:00Joe, you have a reputation for being a really good traitor hunter.
02:03Yeah.
02:04I feel like some of this stuff...
02:05Hot luck.
02:06...is maybe a little bit spurious, maybe.
02:08Do you?
02:09Well, maybe the Sam Red thing.
02:11Obviously our shortlist to murder in this episode is Ben, Rhys and Maz.
02:16Does this shortlist tell us anything, Joe, about who the secret traitor might be?
02:19Obviously, they seem to think it's a woman based on the fact that it's three men on the shortlist.
02:22Yeah, I'm inclined to go, it's feminine.
02:24Yeah.
02:25There's a lot of male heavy shortlist on the murder.
02:28I mean, my speculation is that it could be Amanda.
02:31She was an ex-police detective.
02:32Yeah.
02:33If she is a faithful, in my opinion, I think she's not playing a very good game.
02:37Okay.
02:38Because she's putting herself out there too much that the other traitors would want to murder her.
02:42Yeah.
02:43But if she is a secret traitor, then maybe she's actually playing a really good game
02:46because she's putting herself out there so much that no one would think that she's the traitor.
02:49So we do have another pretty big clue, I think.
02:52Let's have a look at the handwriting on the murder shortlist from the previous episode.
02:56There it is.
02:57We can obviously look at the handwriting and perhaps compare that to some votes that have been on the chalkboards
03:03at the round table.
03:04It's quite small and neat handwriting.
03:06Yeah, I think it's really quite feminine.
03:09Yeah.
03:10And in my notebook, I made that Jade, Fiona and Roxy had quite similar writing.
03:17So what about you, Tom and Alex?
03:18What does that handwriting tell you?
03:20And remember, there's a potential that the secret traitor could be disguising their handwriting at the round table
03:26or indeed when they're writing the shortlist.
03:28I would definitely be disguising my handwriting, for sure.
03:31It's quite old-fashioned writing. I don't think anyone really writes like that anymore.
03:35You look at the Zed, it's very... I mean, I haven't seen a Zed like that in a very, very long time.
03:39Yeah.
03:40I like the curve.
03:41It's really good. It's really good writing.
03:43So, are you thinking older then?
03:45I would lean towards someone maybe a bit more mature, yeah.
03:48Yeah. Who do we think it definitely isn't? Who are your Hundys, Joe?
03:52I want to say Faraz.
03:53Okay.
03:54I want him to be a Hundy.
03:55Yeah.
03:56Because he just seems like, oh, I'm having a good time.
03:58Yeah, yeah.
03:59It's just great laugh.
04:00And that would be a mega twist if he's not, but...
04:03Yeah, I'm going to stick with it. Faraz is a Hundy.
04:05Faraz is a Hundy. Tom?
04:07I think Sam.
04:08Okay.
04:09I think Sam. He was very loud, and I was very loud, and I was not a traitor.
04:14I think it would be crazy to be loud and traitor-y.
04:19If it is Sam, he's playing a very risky, I must say.
04:22A hugely risky game, I would say.
04:24Yeah.
04:25Because he's a real voice at the round table.
04:26Strong.
04:27He's going round, he's sowing seeds.
04:28No matter what he says, he was sowing seeds about Judy, I think.
04:31And if you're the secret traitor, you've got no heat on you.
04:33Yeah.
04:34Just be quiet.
04:35Sit back, relax.
04:36Enjoy the game.
04:37What about you, Alex?
04:38I also think Sam is a Hundy, because he did make a bit of a fool of himself at the round table.
04:43Yeah.
04:44It was a lot.
04:45And if you were a secret traitor, and you've got that power, you would have zero need to do any of that.
04:50Yeah.
04:51And if it was, then it was a bit foolish.
04:53If you guys were the secret traitor, how do you think you would have played it?
04:56What do you think, Joe?
04:58Because I have no experience of being a traitor.
05:02Yeah.
05:03Snap.
05:04I'd go berserk.
05:05I'd just start planting seeds and being like, right, it's Rachel.
05:10Yeah.
05:11Why?
05:12I just know.
05:13I just reckon so.
05:14I'd just say it all, to get them all out early doors and then see what happens.
05:17I'd love to see that.
05:18But before I got that, I'd get a little bit closer to Hugo, because he's quite a character.
05:22Yeah, yeah.
05:23And I'd like have a little bit of fun with him.
05:24Yeah.
05:25Maybe the odd wink and stuff like that.
05:27And then he's gone.
05:28So you'd give yourself away immediately as the secret traitor to the other traitors
05:32by like winking.
05:33Yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:34And finally, how do we think the traitors are doing so far?
05:37This is the traitors that we know the identity of.
05:39Joe, what do you reckon?
05:41I think Rachel's probably the one that's thinking more about how to strategize with the game
05:48and that lot.
05:49Hugo's being a bit more of the jolly, friendly, I'm a faithful, let's have a good laugh together.
05:54And Steven, well, he's just immaculate.
05:57Yeah.
05:58Like, can we talk about how incredible he looks?
06:00Yes.
06:01Yeah, he's so cool.
06:02That blue jacket in the first episode.
06:04He looks great.
06:05But it's so nice to see them under as much pressure as the faithful.
06:10Yeah.
06:11Because they're all scrambling a little bit.
06:13Yeah.
06:14They're doing all right.
06:15Yeah, I'm enjoying them as a crew.
06:17I think they've been very, very well selected.
06:19And like you say, you've got the immaculate Steven, you've got the savvy Rachel,
06:23and then Hugo is like from a Dickens book.
06:28So we had our first round table of the series.
06:31And after coming under a lot of suspicion, Faithful Judy was voted out.
06:35I'd just like to say, you've been absolutely amazing.
06:39I've had an absolute blast.
06:43And I'm just me.
06:44I am.
06:49I am.
06:56The faithful.
06:57Very sad to lose Judy this early.
07:05Yeah.
07:06Quite a character and clearly a lovely person as well.
07:09But obviously, the secret relationship.
07:11She is Roxy's mum.
07:13Does the secret relationship help in there?
07:15I mean, I'm obviously going to ask you to.
07:16No.
07:17I'm going to jump straight in.
07:18No.
07:19I mean, I shouted about it.
07:21And we died.
07:22And then, obviously, you keep it.
07:24You can't.
07:25We've not seen a couple do well yet.
07:26It's incredibly hard when you're in there as a pair.
07:28What do you think would have happened had you not shouted about it?
07:31Oh, we've been rich right now.
07:32We'd be on holiday.
07:34A great time.
07:35No.
07:36I think having a secret relationship just adds to the stress.
07:40Yeah.
07:41Because you've not only got yourself to worry about.
07:42You're then worrying about that other person.
07:44Which, presumably, you care about that person.
07:46Yeah.
07:47Otherwise, you wouldn't have brought them in with you.
07:48But, like, the whole time that you were in there with me, I was thinking,
07:51Oh, God.
07:52Is he going to make it in the next day?
07:53Like, is he making a fool of himself?
07:54What the hell is he wearing today?
07:56Honestly.
07:57She would do little lines like,
07:58Oh, nice shirt.
07:59And in my head, oh, you bought it for me.
08:00Very good.
08:01Very good.
08:02Like that.
08:03It's time to invite our banished and murdered players into the studio.
08:06But before I chat to them,
08:07here's the moment they both found out who the traitors are,
08:10shortly after leaving the game.
08:15Oh, my God!
08:16Are you okay?
08:17Oh, my God!
08:18Oh, my God!
08:19I'm so rich!
08:20Am I gay?
08:24The fact that I'm seeing you here now,
08:26I feel like I probably did play a part in that.
08:28And I am sorry for that.
08:29That's fine.
08:30It's killing me because I've either got regret in my heart
08:33for putting your name out there,
08:35or I'm going to be really excited.
08:37What are you?
08:38What were you?
08:41Well, to be honest,
08:44I'm...
08:48A faithful!
08:49Oh, Judy!
08:50Do you like that?
08:51I'm so sorry.
08:52I'm so sorry.
08:53It's okay.
08:54I feel like that's on me.
08:55No.
08:56And I'm sorry.
08:57We're in a game.
08:58Who are your definite traitors?
09:00I think one could be Roxy.
09:03Oh, why?
09:04Because she's quite bubbly and out there
09:07and she's too much running around everybody.
09:10Okay.
09:11And lively.
09:12So, yeah, Roxy's one of them.
09:13Mm-hmm.
09:14Two is also Steven.
09:16Oh.
09:17Oh.
09:18Because Steven is...
09:19I mean, he's loving, he's very caring,
09:21you can see,
09:22and he always gives you a hug,
09:23makes sure you're all right.
09:24But, you see, for me,
09:26I just think it doesn't seem sincere
09:29when he gives me a hug and things like that.
09:31Okay.
09:32And the third one would be Sam.
09:36Oh!
09:37Because half the time he spends smiling
09:40and very quiet,
09:41keeps himself in the background.
09:42Okay.
09:43Trying to be Mr. Smooth.
09:46So, yeah, I think it's Sam.
09:48Okay.
09:49Who do you think the traitors are, Nettie?
09:51Well, like, I do think you are a traitor.
09:54I can't lie.
09:55Okay.
09:56But then having time to reflect.
09:57Yeah.
09:58And you can tell me what you think about this.
10:00Okay.
10:01Rachel.
10:02Well, no, that's not...
10:04Okay.
10:05I don't think that with Rachel,
10:06because she tried to out Ross.
10:09She never voted for me.
10:11She voted for Ross.
10:12Okay.
10:13So, she could have jumped on the bandwagon,
10:14but she didn't.
10:15Yeah.
10:16Right, come on, girl.
10:17Can we find out?
10:18Let's go. Let's do it.
10:19Okay. Oh, my God.
10:20Oh, God, I feel a bit sick.
10:22I can see who decided to kill me, right?
10:25Right, okay.
10:28Oh!
10:30Right, first traitor name is Hugo.
10:34No way.
10:35Hugo.
10:36Jesus.
10:37He's using his barrister skills very well.
10:40Yeah.
10:41Before I got through the round table,
10:43I was going to pick Hugo.
10:44What made you not?
10:45Sam.
10:46His whisperings.
10:47Yeah.
10:48Right, you ready for the next one?
10:49Yeah.
10:50God.
10:51Rachel.
10:52No.
10:53Rachel.
10:54No.
10:55No.
10:56I'm glad at least I got one right.
10:57Oh, my goodness.
10:58She's playing a good game.
10:59That is very good.
11:00Okay.
11:01Ready for the next one?
11:02Yeah.
11:03Yeah.
11:04Yeah.
11:05Yeah.
11:06You were right.
11:07Who?
11:08Stephen.
11:09I told you.
11:10I told you.
11:11If we'd actually put our heads together,
11:12we would have had like two of the three.
11:13I knew that there was something there.
11:14Oh.
11:15I knew.
11:16I knew.
11:17I knew.
11:18I'm hoping people have got eyes on him.
11:19On both of them.
11:20I tell you what, I'm not being funny, but they're all playing a very good game.
11:22Yeah.
11:23Yeah.
11:24Yeah.
11:25Yeah.
11:26Yeah.
11:27Yeah.
11:28Yeah.
11:29Yeah.
11:30Yeah.
11:31Yeah.
11:32Yeah.
11:33Yeah.
11:34Yeah.
11:35Yeah.
11:36Yeah.
11:37Yeah.
11:38Yeah.
11:39Yeah.
11:40Yeah.
11:41Yeah.
11:42Yeah.
11:43Yeah.
11:44Yeah.
11:45Yeah.
11:46Just a minute, Nettie.
11:47There's another one, isn't there?
11:48There is.
11:49What is that one?
11:50Shall we find out?
11:51I don't know if I can take any more.
11:53Go on.
11:54Well, I'm kind of loving this.
11:55Yes, I am as well.
11:57Okay, let's go.
11:58Okay.
11:59Let's go.
12:00Ooh.
12:01See, I was thinking about this.
12:03There's a secret relationship.
12:05No.
12:06Do you...
12:09What?!
12:11What?!
12:12You!
12:13Judy and Roxy are mother and daughter!
12:17What?!
12:18Sorry!
12:19Is she adopted?
12:20Yes.
12:21Oh, my God!
12:22That's like half of that.
12:24Wow.
12:25Wedding from that one!
12:26Wow.
12:27I love that.
12:28So my daughter, I'm thinking, go Roxy, go Roxy.
12:29I love that.
12:30Oh, you must be so proud.
12:31I'm so proud of her.
12:32And Judy and Nettie are with us now.
12:33Woo!
12:34Welcome to Uncloaked.
12:36We're obviously very sad to see you go so early, but we're glad we get to chat with
12:41you now.
12:42Yes.
12:43Yes.
12:44Yes.
12:45First things first, Judy, in that tape you said that you thought your own daughter was
12:49a traitor.
12:50Oh!
12:51Oh!
12:52Is that something you genuinely think, or were you just keeping up the pretence as long
12:54as you possibly could?
12:55To be fair, we did a mission together and she gave me a look and I thought, oh, she must
12:58be a traitor.
12:59She must be saving me.
13:00And that's what I thought.
13:01Oh!
13:02Obviously not.
13:03Well, she was definitely trying to save you.
13:04She was definitely trying.
13:05Yes, she was.
13:06But was that a traitorous thing?
13:07We don't know yet, but potentially.
13:08No idea.
13:09But I love that you allowed yourself to suspect your own daughter.
13:11You've got to.
13:12I mean, we've been discussing it already, but we thought as soon as you went in there,
13:15Roxy was basically a traitorous thing.
13:16But I love that you allowed yourself to suspect your own daughter.
13:17But you've got to.
13:18I mean, we've been discussing it already, but we thought as soon as you went in there, Roxy
13:31was basically treating you openly like you were her mum anyway.
13:36We saw her going, the problem is, Judy, you're a very loud lady.
13:39Yes.
13:40A bit forward for a stranger.
13:43I am.
13:44Netta, your reaction to finding out that Judy is Roxy's mum was absolutely priceless.
13:49I was shook.
13:50Yeah, talk us through that reaction.
13:52Well, of the evening that I did have, I was sort of putting all these sort of little links
13:57together.
13:58She'd obviously said on the train she was adopted.
14:01So I took that on board.
14:03But I'm going down the route of Harriet, you know, Fiona, anyone else.
14:07Didn't look at this one here.
14:09Yeah.
14:10So that, yeah, that did throw me slightly.
14:12It must have been nice to see Roxy defend you so much though, Judy at the round table.
14:16Oh, I was saying, go on Roxy.
14:18I know what my daughter's like.
14:19She's very, she's very out there.
14:21And if she's got something to be in her bonnet, she will grab onto it and run with it.
14:25Yeah.
14:26So I knew she was sort of trying to stick up for me.
14:28You've only just seen her reaction after you left.
14:31Yeah.
14:32The round table.
14:33She was, she was pretty cross with everyone.
14:34Yeah.
14:35Oh yeah.
14:36That's Roxy to a T.
14:37It looks like she's on a bit of a revenge mission now though.
14:40She will be.
14:41Oh, she will be.
14:42I mean, for me, obviously I came out and I just thought, go and shine.
14:46Go and be the Roxy I know and love.
14:48Did you at any moment plan to reveal your relationship?
14:51No.
14:52Keep it secret to the end.
14:53Oh, we had a full mission and everything.
14:55Oh, we don't know each other.
14:56And she just kept gravitating to me.
14:58Let's talk about your predictions in that tape about who the traitors were.
15:01Nettie, what made you suspicious of Rachel?
15:04I didn't get much time to sort of talk with her in the castle.
15:07But do you remember on the night that I was murdered, she was in the kitchen.
15:12She was very good at kind of just listening to people.
15:14She didn't say too much.
15:16I was going at it with Ross and saying, you know, all these sorts of things.
15:20Just watch out.
15:21And, you know, she's just over there in the corner quietly soaking it all in.
15:25Yeah.
15:26So I think she maybe used that against me.
15:28Jo, what did we think of their traitors predictions?
15:30Because there were two out of three between the two of them.
15:33Not bad.
15:34Well, it's spot on, isn't it?
15:35Yeah, we did a lot.
15:36It's just a shame that everyone else wanted to get rid of you.
15:39If you stayed in there longer, you'd have hunted them down.
15:42I think we would have had them. I think we'd have been on it.
15:45But maybe we were the threat that they didn't want in there.
15:47Got a bit scared of us.
15:48Uh-huh.
15:49Too strong ladies. I think so.
15:50Uh-huh.
15:51Oh, you're now friends now.
15:52Oh, friends.
15:53She's forgiving me.
15:54Best friends.
15:55OK, fine.
15:56I think it's fair to say there were some prior relationships in there for both of you, actually.
16:00But some more unexpected than others.
16:03I know how it looks.
16:05I'll be really honest and say, when I'd initially come out of the cars, I was obviously saying hello to everybody.
16:11And I'd initially, honestly, just planned to go recognize her and not say anything.
16:18But one thing I want to assure you, I had genuinely no idea.
16:22I'm still sitting on the fence.
16:24I don't necessarily know whether you're traitors or not.
16:27But the connection for me is just a little bit like...
16:30It's a huge coincidence.
16:32Yeah, yeah.
16:33That's fair.
16:34It's just got to be questioned.
16:35But that's just me being honest with you.
16:39Judy, that was like the popcorn meme of just you sitting back with us.
16:44Just enjoying it all unfold.
16:46Nettie, talk us through how you felt when you saw Ross when you arrived at the castle.
16:51I mean, my mind was blown.
16:52And I think you saw from my reaction.
16:54Yeah.
16:55It was just sheer, what is this?
16:57Yeah.
16:58To the point where I mounted him in excitement.
17:00Wow.
17:02I was not expecting it at all.
17:04Yeah.
17:05In my mind's eye, I've come to this castle.
17:07I'm not going to know anyone.
17:09And then this big beast of a man that, you know, has got quite a presence.
17:13I'm like, I know you.
17:14Did you recognize him straight away?
17:16Yes.
17:17Albeit, I couldn't remember his name in the first bit second.
17:19Because it has been such a long time since we saw each other.
17:23Yeah.
17:24But you know, you're not going to forget that face and body.
17:26Yeah.
17:27That sounds wrong.
17:28It sounds how it sounds.
17:29Don't read it like that.
17:30Yeah, it sounds exactly how it sounds.
17:32But he's a presence.
17:33He's a presence.
17:34How do you know each other?
17:35Just years and years ago, we had a mutual friend.
17:37I played basketball.
17:39And he's obviously into fitness and it was just sort of a connection through that.
17:44Yeah.
17:45So South East London.
17:46But what a mad coincidence.
17:47And I just, I couldn't stop my brain ticking over like how, I just didn't understand.
17:52Yeah.
17:53Was it planned?
17:54Did they know?
17:55Were you secretly gutted though?
17:56I know you had that moment where you mounted him and you were like, great to see you.
18:01Great to see you, Ross.
18:03Who are you?
18:04But then were you like, oh, maybe this is going to work against me.
18:07No, see, I'm not as smart as, like, he obviously said he didn't plan to.
18:11And he didn't know I was going to be there either.
18:13Yeah.
18:14It was genuine shock for both of us.
18:16But in my, I'm an excitable puppy.
18:18So I hadn't sort of thought a few steps ahead in terms of, okay, I can't play into this
18:23because clearly I just reacted.
18:25Well, you can see that when you see each other, that he has that split second of like, should
18:30I say, should I not?
18:31And by that point, you're on him.
18:32I didn't give him a chance.
18:33Yeah.
18:34You're absolutely on him.
18:35You have no chance in this.
18:36I wonder what would have happened if you just, he turned around and went, I've no idea who
18:39you are.
18:40Who are you?
18:41Why are you?
18:42Sorry.
18:43This is weird.
18:44Push me away by the head.
18:46Judy, did you suspect anything of their relationship?
18:49How did you feel when you found out that they knew each other in the past?
18:51Well, the first thing you think, oh, why?
18:53Are they together?
18:54Are they a couple?
18:55Yeah.
18:56Of course you're going to go down that road.
18:57I mean, imagine, imagine if they were a secret couple and then Nettie blew it that
19:02early.
19:03She's like, oh, I forgot.
19:04I've bloody mounted him now.
19:06There's nothing I can do.
19:07But then if you, like, if you had thought that knowing that you and Roxy had your secret,
19:13would you have thought, and you didn't obviously think any different of it.
19:18Obviously.
19:19Everyone was like, ooh, ooh, ooh.
19:20So obviously it got people talking, so there's something else to talk about.
19:23That's a really good point.
19:24That very much takes the heat off you and Roxy initially, that they're all talking about
19:27that relationship rather than any potential other ones.
19:30Who made the decision to go on the show, Judy?
19:32Was it you or Roxy?
19:33Me.
19:34Roxy got me into the game, obviously, to watch it.
19:37And she says, there's a great thing on you, you need to watch this mum and da-da-da-da,
19:40whatever.
19:41And then when it finished, I thought, I could do that.
19:44I could do that.
19:45I was going on my own.
19:46And I thought, you know what?
19:48I'll rock.
19:49She lives in Amsterdam.
19:50She's a recruitment officer.
19:51And I adopted her.
19:52Why not?
19:53So you only adopted her after you'd applied for Traitor?
19:56No.
19:57No.
19:58I need a daughter to go on Traitors with.
20:05So, of course, the huge thing in this series, right at the top of the series,
20:10the secret traitor.
20:11Are there any inklings from you guys as to who the secret traitor could be?
20:16Let's start with you, Nettie.
20:17It baffled the hell out of me because just no expectation.
20:21Obviously, you know that something's going to be different.
20:24Even when we're on the train, we're like, something's going to happen.
20:26And it was all a bit too easy.
20:28So this bombshell was fabulous.
20:29I love it.
20:30I want to think of Fiona as I watch her and thinking about how she was in the castle,
20:36like very bubbly and sort of silly.
20:40But then watching her when she's in sort of the private chats,
20:43she just had this like air of calm and cool about her.
20:47So I think she's got my eye on her.
20:50Yeah.
20:51What about you, Judy?
20:52I think Jade.
20:53Jade could be a good shout because she's being a little bit quiet,
20:56but she's still involved in the game.
20:57She can hold her own, Jade.
20:58Yeah.
20:59She can definitely hold her own.
21:00Did you pick up on the handwriting as well?
21:02Round the round table.
21:03I think Judy had enough to deal with at the round table.
21:05Judy, Judy.
21:06No, never.
21:07Oh, that was going down.
21:08No, no.
21:09What's it like in that moment when you're at the round table
21:11and you can feel a lot of suspicion coming at you?
21:14How does that feel?
21:15Because obviously I was warm because Roxy had said, Judy,
21:18your name has been out there a lot.
21:19I thought, oh, is it now?
21:21And obviously there's a little bit where you see me talk
21:24to somebody in the kitchen.
21:25Yes.
21:26So I was ready.
21:27I thought, bring it on.
21:28You went down with your head held high.
21:29Absolutely.
21:30I loved that moment where you'd got wind of,
21:33who's been saying my name?
21:35Yeah.
21:36And then it was like, oh, Sam's been saying it a lot.
21:38Where is he?
21:39Where is he?
21:40There's no moment to be like,
21:42I wonder what's going to happen.
21:44Let's collect ourselves and see what's going to happen.
21:46It is, where is he?
21:48Find him now.
21:49Are you avoiding me today, Sam?
21:50No.
21:52Aren't you?
21:55Why? Why'd you say that?
21:56I've not told you much today.
21:57I thought you were avoiding me.
21:58You were carrying me on the throne.
21:59I think you're avoiding me for some reason,
22:01but I'm ready for you.
22:02What made you go,
22:03right, I'm just going to go confront him straight away?
22:06Because that's what kind of person I am.
22:08I can't have anything to fester.
22:10I have to confront it, say it, get it off my chest.
22:13Was it awkward the fact that you were sat next to each other
22:16at the round table?
22:17Yeah, that was so good.
22:18I've never seen someone so loud go so quiet so quickly
22:20and then have to sit next to that person.
22:22Because he's playing a completely different game of traitors
22:25to the one you were playing.
22:27Because he was not expecting anyone to call him out on it.
22:30He was like, well, that'll come up at the round table.
22:32But this game is all about subterfuge.
22:33It's about being quiet.
22:35It's about not revealing your true intentions.
22:37Next thing you know, kitchen door flies off the floor.
22:40In comes Judy.
22:41You've been avoiding me today.
22:44I can't believe I said that.
22:46Oh, it's great. It's so good.
22:47So good.
22:48Tom and Alex, how do you think Roxy should play the game
22:51now that Judy's out?
22:53Do you think keep the relationship absolutely quiet?
22:56Put it in the bin.
22:57Act like it never existed.
22:58Yeah.
22:59There's literally zero reason or benefit to her to mention it.
23:03I think she should get the revenge mission done.
23:05Yes.
23:06Against Sam.
23:07Against Sam.
23:08Get Sam gone and then just forget about it.
23:10Yeah.
23:11Like, withdraw just so that you still love her.
23:13And she probably will.
23:14Yeah.
23:15You don't want your mum on holiday with you for the whole thing anyway, do you?
23:17No.
23:18No.
23:19Not at all.
23:20I feel like you wouldn't cramp her style.
23:21I feel like...
23:22I'm not that kind of...
23:23Yeah.
23:24We've got a great relationship and she can hold her own.
23:26Yeah.
23:27I don't need to hold her hand.
23:28I love the way how much you defended yourself.
23:30I would love to have seen you if someone was accusing Roxy in front of you.
23:33Oh yeah, that would have been great.
23:34Yeah, how would that have gone down?
23:35No.
23:36There's not enough words on you.
23:37Yeah.
23:38Before we go, Joe, I think we have to talk about your trainers.
23:42Because they're absolutely incredible.
23:43Thanks.
23:44Yours are nice too.
23:45Thank you so much.
23:46But mine aren't sort of custom Traitors trainers.
23:48Yes.
23:49The celebrity trainers, of course.
23:50Yeah.
23:51Yeah, I got these done.
23:52They're amazing.
23:53Yeah.
23:54I did send it to the rest of the cast to get their thoughts and they were fucking livid.
23:59Sorry.
24:00Sorry.
24:01They were livid.
24:03They were like, what have you done to our faces and that lot.
24:06I was like, well, it was based around the laser mission that we had.
24:11Yes.
24:12Where the heads that we had made of us were slightly suspect as well.
24:16But they're really cool.
24:17I thought they're nice and, you know, this is the opportunity to wear them.
24:21Yeah, they're perfect.
24:22I love them.
24:24The chat continues over on BBC Sounds where Joe, Tom, Alex, Nettie and Judy will be sticking
24:28around to do a tactical deep dive on the series so far.
24:31And we'll also be discussing post-Traitor's life.
24:34It's all in your bonus episode of Uncloaked, which you can listen to right now.
24:38It's quite simple, really.
24:39All you need to do is scan the QR code on the screen or search for us on your BBC Sounds
24:44app.
24:45We'll be back tomorrow night where I'll be joined by celebrity Traitor Kat Burns and Faithful
24:49Turn Traitor from Series 3 Charlotte for more fun and treachery on BBC One.
24:54A huge thanks to Joe, Tom, Alex, Judy and Nettie for joining me.
24:57I'm Ed Gamble.
24:58Stay faithful.
25:04Yes, Uncloaked is back here on BBC One tomorrow night at nine.
25:08A brand new series on the way.
25:10Amanda and Alan are rolling up their sleeves with a new renovation.
25:13Let's get ourselves some winter sun.
25:15Their Greek job is next.
25:24I'll see you next time.
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