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00:02Alex, Tom, Joe
00:04Hello
00:06Hello, Joe
00:08Hello, Joe
00:09Of course, you're most welcome
00:11We're very excited to have you here
00:13We've got to talk about the Secret Traitor
00:15I love it
00:16This is mega
00:17It's huge, isn't it?
00:18Ah, so cool
00:20Few levels to the game now
00:22I feel like I'm back in the game
00:23Yeah
00:24And now I've just started making notes
00:26I saw that
00:27Because of this Secret Traitor
00:29I can play.
00:31I can actually play.
00:32Rather than just watch it and just watch it,
00:34I can actually play now.
00:35So I'm really excited,
00:36but also really bemused by it all.
00:39Yeah, it's perplexing for sure.
00:41I mean, we do have some clues, obviously,
00:44and us watching at home,
00:45we do get more clues than they do.
00:47We've got the shortlists for a start
00:49because we know anyone who's been put on the shortlist for murder
00:51is not the secret traitor.
00:53So, so far we know that James, Ben,
00:56Rhys and Maz are faithful.
00:57Can I just corroborate that with my...
01:00Yeah, open your notes.
01:01With my notes.
01:03I've been trying to read his notes
01:04because he's clearly good at finding...
01:06Yeah, let Joe consult his very small book for such a big man.
01:11So we've got James, Ben, Rhys and Maz.
01:14We know they're faithful.
01:15Faithful, hundies.
01:16Hundies, they're hundies.
01:18I actually, in my notes,
01:20wrote down that Maz could be the secret traitor
01:25even though he can't, actually.
01:28He couldn't be.
01:28Yeah, yeah.
01:28You can have to say that.
01:29But that's only because he had red trainers on.
01:31Oh.
01:32I love that we're looking at hair and clothes.
01:34Could be Sam
01:35because he's got the same amount of letters as red
01:38in his name.
01:42It's factually true.
01:44Joe, you have a reputation for being a really good traitor hunter.
01:47Yeah.
01:47I feel like some of this stuff...
01:49Hot luck.
01:49...is maybe a little bit spurious, maybe.
01:52Do you?
01:52Well, maybe the Sam Redd thing.
01:55Obviously, our shortlist to murder in this episode
01:57is Ben, Rhys and Maz.
01:59Does this shortlist tell us anything, Joe,
02:01about who the secret traitor might be?
02:03Obviously, they seem to think it's a woman
02:05based on the fact that it's three men on the shortlist.
02:06Yeah, I'm inclined to go it's feminine.
02:07Like, there's a lot of male-heavy shortlist on the murder.
02:12I mean, my speculation is that it could be Amanda.
02:15She was an ex-police detective.
02:16If she is a faithful, in my opinion,
02:19I think she's not playing a very good game.
02:21Because she's putting herself out there too much
02:23that the other traitors would want to murder her.
02:26But if she is a secret traitor,
02:28then maybe she's actually playing a really good game
02:30because she's putting herself out there so much
02:31that no one would think that she's the traitor.
02:33So we do have another pretty big clue, I think.
02:36Let's have a look at the handwriting
02:37on the murder shortlist from the previous episode.
02:40There it is.
02:41We can obviously look at the handwriting
02:43and perhaps compare that to some votes
02:45that have been on the chalkboards at the round table.
02:48It's quite small and neat handwriting.
02:50Yeah, I think it's really quite feminine.
02:52Yeah.
02:53And in my notebook,
02:55I made that Jade, Fiona and Roxy
02:58had quite similar writing.
03:00So what about you, Tom and Alex?
03:01What does that handwriting tell you?
03:03And remember, there's a potential
03:04that the secret traitor could be disguising their handwriting
03:08at the round table
03:09or, indeed, when they're writing the shortlist.
03:11I would definitely be disguising my handwriting, for sure.
03:15It's quite old-fashioned writing.
03:16I don't think anyone really writes like that anymore.
03:18Like, you look at the Z, it's very...
03:20I mean, I haven't seen a Z like that in a very, very long time.
03:22Yeah.
03:23I like the curve at the top.
03:24It's really good.
03:25It's really good writing.
03:26So, are you thinking older, then?
03:28I would lean towards someone maybe a bit more mature, yeah.
03:31Yeah.
03:32Who do we think it definitely isn't?
03:34Who are your Hundis, Joe?
03:35I want to say Faraz.
03:36Okay.
03:37I want him to be a Hundi.
03:39Yeah.
03:39Because he just seems like,
03:41oh, I'm having a good time.
03:42Yeah, yeah.
03:42This is great at all.
03:44And that would be a mega twist if he's not.
03:46But, yeah, I'm going to stick with it.
03:48Faraz is a Hundi.
03:49Faraz is a Hundi.
03:50Tom?
03:51I think Sam.
03:52Okay.
03:52I think Sam.
03:53He was very loud, and I was very loud,
03:56and I was not a traitor.
03:57I think it would be crazy to be loud and traitor-y.
04:02If it is Sam, he's playing a very risky, I must say.
04:05It's a hugely risky game, I would say,
04:07because he's a real voice at the round table.
04:10Strong.
04:10He's going round, he's sowing seeds.
04:12No matter what he says, he was sowing seeds about Judy, I think.
04:15And if you're the secret traitor, you've got no heat on you.
04:17Yeah.
04:17Just be quiet.
04:18Just relax.
04:18Relax.
04:19Yeah, yeah.
04:19Enjoy the game.
04:20What about you, Alex?
04:21I also think Sam is a Hundi,
04:23because he did make a bit of a fool of himself at the round table.
04:26Yeah.
04:27It was a lot.
04:28And if you were a secret traitor,
04:30and you've got that power,
04:31you would have zero need to do any of that.
04:33Yeah.
04:34And if he was, then it was a bit foolish.
04:36If you guys were a secret traitor,
04:38how do you think you would have played it?
04:40What do you think, Joe?
04:43Because I have no experience of being a traitor,
04:46I'd go berserk.
04:47I'd just start planting seeds and being like,
04:52right, it's Rachel.
04:54Why?
04:55I just know.
04:55I just reckon so.
04:56I'd just say it all,
04:57to get them all out early doors and then see what happens.
05:00I'd love to see that.
05:00But before I got that,
05:02I'd get a little bit closer to Hugo,
05:04because he's quite a character.
05:05Yeah, yeah.
05:06And I'd have a little bit of fun with him.
05:07Yeah.
05:08Maybe the odd wink and stuff like that.
05:10And then he's gone.
05:11So you'd give yourself away immediately as the secret traitor to the other traitors
05:15by like winking.
05:16Yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:17And finally,
05:18how do we think the traitors are doing so far?
05:20This is the traitors that we know the identity of.
05:23Joe, what do you reckon?
05:24I think Rachel's probably the one that's thinking more
05:29about how to strategise with the game and that lot.
05:32Hugo's being a bit more of the jolly, friendly,
05:35I'm a faithful, let's have a good life together.
05:37And Stephen, well, he's just immaculate.
05:40Yeah.
05:41Like, can we talk about how incredible he looks?
05:43Yes.
05:44Yeah, he's so cool.
05:45That blue jacket in the first episode.
05:47He looks great.
05:48But it's so nice to see them under as much pressure as the faithful.
05:53Yeah.
05:53Because they're all scrambling a little bit.
05:56Yeah.
05:57They're doing all right.
05:58Yeah, I'm enjoying them as a crew.
06:01I think they've been very, very well selected.
06:03And like you say, you've got the immaculate Stephen,
06:05you've got the savvy Rachel,
06:07and then Hugo is like from a Dickens book.
06:11So we had our first roundtable of the series,
06:14and after coming under a lot of suspicion,
06:17Faithful Judy was voted out.
06:18I'd just like to say,
06:20you've been absolutely amazing.
06:22I've had an absolute blast.
06:26And I'm just me.
06:27I am.
06:39The faithful.
06:40Very sad to lose Judy this early.
06:48Yeah.
06:49Quite a character and clearly a lovely person as well.
06:52But obviously, the secret relationship,
06:55she is Roxy's mum.
06:56Does the secret relationship help in there?
06:58No.
06:58I mean, I'm obviously going to ask you to.
07:00No.
07:00I'm going to jump straight in.
07:01No.
07:02I mean, I shouted about it,
07:05and we died.
07:05And then, obviously, you keep it.
07:07You can't.
07:08We've not seen a couple do well yet.
07:10It's incredibly hard when you're in there as a pair.
07:12What do you think would have happened
07:13had you not shouted about it?
07:14Oh, we've been rich right now.
07:15We've been on holiday.
07:16We've been on a great time.
07:19No, I think having a secret relationship
07:22just adds to the stress.
07:23Yeah.
07:24Because you've not only got yourself to worry about,
07:26you're then worrying about that other person,
07:28which presumably you care about that person,
07:30otherwise you wouldn't have brought them in with you.
07:32But, like, the whole time that you were in there with me,
07:34I was thinking, oh, God,
07:35is he going to make it in the next day?
07:37Like, is he making a fool of himself?
07:38What the hell is he wearing today?
07:40Honestly.
07:41She would do little lines like,
07:41oh, nice shirt, and in my head,
07:42oh, you bought it for me.
07:43Very good.
07:44Very good.
07:44Like that.
07:45Right.
07:46It's almost time to invite our banished
07:48and murdered players into the studio.
07:50But before I chat to them,
07:51here's the moment they both found out
07:53who the traitors are
07:54shortly after leaving the game.
07:58Oh, my God!
08:00Are you okay?
08:00Oh, my God!
08:02Oh, my gosh!
08:03Oh, my God!
08:07The fact that I'm seeing you here now,
08:09I feel like I probably did play a part in that,
08:11and I am sorry for that.
08:13That's fine.
08:13It's killing me,
08:14because I've either got regret in my heart
08:17for putting your name out there,
08:18or I'm going to be really excited.
08:21What are you?
08:22What were you?
08:22Well, to be honest,
08:27I'm...
08:32A faithful!
08:32Oh, do you do?
08:34Do you like that?
08:34I'm so sorry.
08:36I'm so sorry.
08:37It's okay.
08:38I feel like that's on me.
08:40No.
08:40And I'm sorry.
08:41We're in a game.
08:42Who are your definite traitors?
08:43I think one could be Roxy.
08:46Oh, why?
08:48Because she's quite bubbly and out there,
08:51and she's too much running around everybody.
08:54Okay.
08:54And lively.
08:55So, yeah, Roxy's one of them.
08:57Mm-hmm.
08:58Two is also Stephen.
09:00Oh.
09:01Cos Stephen is, I mean, he's loving,
09:04he's very caring, you can see,
09:06and he always gives you a hug,
09:07makes sure you're all right.
09:08But, you see, for me,
09:10I just think it doesn't seem sincere
09:12when he gives me a hug and things like that.
09:15Okay.
09:16And the third one would be Sam.
09:20Oh!
09:21Because half the time he spends smiling
09:24and very quiet, keeps himself in the background.
09:26Okay.
09:27Trying to be Mr Smooth.
09:28So, yeah, I think it's Sam.
09:31Okay.
09:32Who do you think the traitors are, Nettie?
09:35Well, like, I do think you are a traitor.
09:38I can't lie.
09:39Okay.
09:39But then having time to reflect.
09:41Yeah.
09:42And you can tell me what you think about this.
09:43Okay.
09:44Rachel.
09:45Well, no, that's not...
09:47Okay.
09:48I don't think that with Rachel
09:50because she tried to out Ross.
09:53She never voted for me.
09:55She voted for Ross.
09:56Okay.
09:56So, she could have jumped on the bandwagon,
09:58but she didn't.
09:59Right.
10:00Can we find out?
10:01Let's go.
10:01Let's do it.
10:02Okay.
10:03Oh, my God.
10:03Oh, God, I feel a bit sick.
10:05I can see who decided to kill me, right?
10:09Right, okay.
10:12Oh!
10:12Right, first traitor name is Hugo.
10:18No way!
10:19Hugo.
10:21Jesus.
10:22He's using his barrister skills very well.
10:25Before I got through the round table,
10:27I was going to pick Hugo.
10:28What made you not?
10:30Sam.
10:30His whisperings.
10:31Yeah.
10:32Right, you ready for the next one?
10:33Yeah.
10:33God.
10:34Rachel.
10:46No!
10:47Rachel.
10:48No!
10:49I'm glad at least I got one right.
10:52Oh, my goodness.
10:52She's playing a good game.
10:54That is very good.
10:56Okay.
10:56Ready for the next one?
10:57You were right.
11:06Who?
11:06Stephen.
11:08I told you!
11:09I told you!
11:10If we'd actually put our heads together,
11:12we would have had, like, two of the three.
11:14I knew that there was something there.
11:17I knew.
11:19I'm hoping people have got eyes on him.
11:20On both of them.
11:22I tell you what, I'm not being funny,
11:24but they're all playing a very good game.
11:26Yeah, yeah.
11:27Just a minute, Nettie.
11:28There's another one, isn't there?
11:30There is.
11:32What is that one?
11:33Shall we find out?
11:35I don't know if I can check any more.
11:36Go on.
11:38Well, I'm kind of loving this.
11:39Yes, I am as well.
11:40Okay, let's go.
11:44Oh, see, I was thinking about this.
11:47There's a secret relationship.
11:49No.
11:52Do you...
11:53What?
11:55You!
11:56Judy and Roxy,
11:59a mother and daughter.
12:01What?
12:04Sorry.
12:05Is she adopted?
12:07Yes.
12:07Oh, my God.
12:11That's like half of that.
12:14Wow.
12:14What's the wedding from that one?
12:16Wow.
12:16I love that.
12:17So my daughter, I'm thinking, go Roxy, go Roxy.
12:21I love that.
12:22Oh, you must be so proud.
12:23I'm so proud of her.
12:26And Judy and Nettie are with us now.
12:31Welcome to Unclose.
12:33We're obviously very sad to see you go so early.
12:35but we're glad we get to chat with you now.
12:37Yes.
12:38First things first, Judy, in that tape,
12:40you said that you thought your own daughter was a traitor.
12:43Oh, no.
12:44Is that something you genuinely think
12:46or were you just keeping up the pretense
12:48as long as you possibly could?
12:49To be fair, we did a mission together
12:51and she gave me a look
12:53and I thought,
12:53ooh, she must be a traitor.
12:55She must be saving me.
12:57And that's what I thought.
12:58Oh.
12:58Obviously not.
13:00Well, she was definitely trying to save you, I think.
13:02She was definitely trying.
13:03Yes, she was.
13:03But was that a traitorous thing?
13:05We don't know yet, but potentially.
13:07But I love that you allowed yourself
13:08to suspect your own daughter.
13:10You've got to.
13:11I mean, we've been discussing it already,
13:12but we thought as soon as you went in there,
13:15Roxy was basically treating you openly
13:17like you were her mum anyway.
13:19We saw her going,
13:20the problem is, Judy,
13:22you're a very loud lady.
13:22Yes.
13:23A bit forward for a stranger.
13:26I am.
13:28Netta, your reaction to finding out
13:30that Judy is Roxy's mum
13:32was absolutely priceless.
13:33I was shook.
13:34Yeah, talk us through that reaction.
13:35So of the evening that I did have,
13:38I was sort of putting all these
13:40sort of little links together.
13:41She'd obviously said on the train
13:43she was adopted.
13:45So I took that on board.
13:46But I'm going down the route of Harriet,
13:49you know, Fiona,
13:50and anyone else
13:51didn't look at this one here.
13:52Yeah.
13:53So that, yeah,
13:54that did throw me slightly.
13:55It must have been nice
13:56to see Roxy defend you so much though,
13:59Judy at the round table.
14:00Go on, Roxy.
14:01I know what my daughter's like.
14:03She's very,
14:03she's very out there
14:04and if she's got something
14:06to be in a bonnet,
14:07she will grab onto it
14:08and run with it.
14:09Yeah.
14:09So I knew she was
14:10sort of trying to stick up for me.
14:11You've only just seen
14:12her reaction after you left
14:14the round table.
14:15she was pretty cross
14:17with everyone.
14:18Oh, yeah.
14:18That's Roxy to a T.
14:19Yeah.
14:21It looks like she's on
14:22a bit of a revenge mission.
14:23Oh, she will be.
14:24Oh, she will be.
14:25I mean, for me,
14:26obviously,
14:26I came out
14:28and I just thought,
14:29go and shine.
14:30Go and be the Roxy
14:31I know and love.
14:32Did you at any moment
14:33plan to reveal
14:34your relationship?
14:35No.
14:35Keep it secret to the end.
14:36Oh, we had a full mission
14:37and everything.
14:38Oh, we don't know each other.
14:39And she just kept
14:40gravitating to me.
14:42Let's talk about
14:42your predictions in that tape
14:43about who the traitors were.
14:45Nettie,
14:45what made you
14:46suspicious of Rachel?
14:48I didn't get much time
14:49to sort of talk
14:50with her in the castle,
14:51but I do remember
14:51on the night
14:53that I was murdered,
14:54she was in the kitchen.
14:55She was very good
14:56at kind of just
14:57listening to people.
14:58She didn't say too much.
15:00I was going at it
15:01with Ross and saying,
15:02you know,
15:03all these sorts of things,
15:04just watch out.
15:05And, you know,
15:06she's just over there
15:06in the corner
15:07quietly soaking it all in.
15:09So I think she maybe
15:10used that against me.
15:12Jo, what did we think
15:13of their traitors predictions?
15:14Because there were
15:14two out of three
15:15between the two of them.
15:17Not bad.
15:17Well, it's spot on, isn't it?
15:19Yeah, we did a lot.
15:19It's just a shame
15:20that everyone else
15:21wanted to get rid of you.
15:23If you stayed in there longer,
15:25you'd have hunted them down.
15:26I think we would have had them.
15:27I think we'd have been on it.
15:28But maybe we were the threat
15:29that they didn't want in there.
15:31Got a bit scared of us.
15:32Too strong ladies.
15:33I think so.
15:33Oh, you're now friends now,
15:35even.
15:35She's forgiving me.
15:37Best of friends.
15:38Okay, fine.
15:39I think it's fair to say
15:40there were some prior relationships
15:42in there for both of you,
15:43actually,
15:44but some more unexpected
15:45than others.
15:47I know how it looks.
15:49I'll be really honest
15:50and say,
15:51when I'd initially
15:51come out of the cars,
15:52I was obviously
15:53saying hello to everybody.
15:54And I'd initially,
15:55honestly,
15:55just planned to go
15:56recognise her
15:58and not say anything.
15:59but one thing
16:02I want to assure you,
16:03I had genuinely no idea.
16:06I'm still sitting on the fence.
16:07I don't necessarily know
16:09whether you're traitors or not,
16:11but the connection for me
16:12is just a little bit like,
16:14it's a huge coincidence.
16:16Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
16:17It's just got to be questioned,
16:18but that's just
16:18me being honest with you.
16:23Judy,
16:23that was like
16:24the popcorn meme
16:25of just you sitting back
16:26with us,
16:28just enjoying it all unfold.
16:30Nettie,
16:31talk us through
16:31how you felt
16:32when you saw Ross
16:33when you arrived at the castle.
16:34I mean,
16:34my mind was blown
16:35and I think you saw
16:36from my reaction,
16:37it was just sheer
16:39what is this?
16:41To the point
16:42where I mounted him
16:42in excitement.
16:43Wow.
16:45I was not expecting it
16:47at all.
16:47in my mind's eye,
16:49I've come to this castle,
16:50I'm not going to know anyone
16:52and then this big beast
16:54of a man
16:54that, you know,
16:55has got quite a presence.
16:56I'm like,
16:57I know you.
16:58Did you recognise him
16:59straight away?
16:59Yes,
17:00albeit I couldn't remember
17:01his name in the first
17:02second
17:02because it has been
17:04such a long time
17:05since we saw each other.
17:07But, you know,
17:07you're not going to forget
17:08that face and body.
17:09Not if that sounds wrong.
17:12It sounds how it sounds.
17:13I don't mean it like that.
17:14Yeah,
17:14it sounds exactly how it sounds.
17:15But he's a presence.
17:16He's a presence.
17:17How do you know each other?
17:18Just years and years ago,
17:20we had a mutual friend.
17:21I played basketball
17:22and he's obviously
17:23into fitness
17:24and it was just sort of
17:25a connection through that.
17:28So,
17:28South East.
17:28But what a mad coincidence.
17:30And I just,
17:31I couldn't stop my brain
17:32ticking over like how,
17:34I just didn't understand.
17:35Was it planned?
17:36Did they know?
17:37Were you secretly gutted though?
17:39I know you had that moment
17:40where you mounted him
17:41and you were like,
17:42great to see you.
17:44Great to see you,
17:45Ryan.
17:46Who are you?
17:48But then were you like,
17:49oh,
17:49maybe this is going to work
17:50against me.
17:51No,
17:51see,
17:51I'm not as smart as,
17:52like,
17:53he obviously said
17:53he didn't plan to.
17:54and he didn't know
17:55I was going to be there either.
17:57It was genuine shock
17:59for both of us.
18:00But in my,
18:01I'm an excitable puppy
18:02so I hadn't sort of thought
18:04a few steps ahead
18:05in terms of,
18:06okay,
18:06I can't play into this
18:07because clearly
18:07I just reacted.
18:09Well,
18:09you can see that
18:10when you see each other
18:11that he has that split second
18:12of like,
18:13should I say,
18:14should I not?
18:14And by that point,
18:15you're on him.
18:15I didn't give him a chance.
18:16Yeah.
18:17You're absolutely on him.
18:18You have no chance in this.
18:20I wonder what would have happened
18:20if you just,
18:21he turned around and went,
18:22I've no idea who you are.
18:23Who are you?
18:24Why are you having to?
18:26This is weird.
18:27Did you want to push me away
18:28by the head?
18:30Judy,
18:30did you suspect
18:31anything of their relationship?
18:33How did you feel
18:33when you found out
18:34that they knew each other
18:34in the past?
18:35Well,
18:35the first thing you think,
18:36oh,
18:36why?
18:37Are they together?
18:37Are they a couple?
18:38Yeah.
18:39Of course you're going
18:39to go down that road.
18:40I mean,
18:40imagine if they were
18:42a secret couple
18:43and then Nettie blew it
18:44that early.
18:46She's like,
18:46I've forgotten.
18:48I've bloody mounted him now.
18:50There's nothing I can do.
18:53But then if you,
18:54like if you had thought that
18:55knowing that you and Roxy
18:56had your secret relationship,
18:59would you have thought,
18:59you didn't obviously
19:00think any different of it.
19:02Obviously,
19:02everyone was like,
19:03oh,
19:03oh,
19:03oh.
19:04So obviously it got people
19:05talking,
19:05so there's something else
19:06to talk about.
19:07That's a really good point.
19:07That very much takes the heat
19:08off you and Roxy initially,
19:10that they're all talking
19:11about that relationship
19:12rather than any potential
19:13other ones.
19:14Who made the decision
19:15to go on the show,
19:16Judy?
19:16Was it you or Roxy?
19:17Me?
19:18Roxy got me into the game,
19:19obviously,
19:20to watch it.
19:21and she says,
19:22there's a great thing on,
19:23you need to watch this mum
19:24and da-da-da-da,
19:24whatever.
19:25And then when it finished,
19:26I thought,
19:27I could do that.
19:28I could do that.
19:29I was going on my own
19:30and I thought,
19:31you know what?
19:32Roxy rocks.
19:33She lives in Amsterdam,
19:34she's a crewman officer
19:35and I adopted her.
19:36Why not?
19:37So you only adopted her
19:38after you'd applied
19:38for traitors?
19:39No.
19:42I need a daughter
19:43to go on traitors with.
19:49So, of course,
19:50the huge thing in this series,
19:52right at the top of the series,
19:53the secret traitor.
19:55Are there any inklings
19:56from you guys
19:57as to who the secret traitor
19:58could be?
19:59Let's start with you, Nettie.
20:01It baffled the hell out of me
20:02because just no expectation.
20:05Obviously, you know
20:05that something's going
20:06to be different.
20:07So even when we're on the train,
20:08we're like,
20:08something's going to happen
20:09and it was all a bit too easy.
20:11So this bombshell was fabulous.
20:13I love it.
20:14I want to think of Fiona
20:15as I watch her
20:16and thinking about
20:18how she was in the castle,
20:20like very bubbly
20:21and sort of silly.
20:23But then watching her
20:24when she's in
20:25sort of the private chats,
20:26she just had this like
20:27air of calm and cool
20:29about her.
20:30So I think
20:31she's got my eye on her.
20:33What about you, Judy?
20:34I think Jade.
20:36Jade could be a good shout
20:37because she's being
20:38a little bit quiet
20:39but she's still involved
20:41in the game.
20:41She can hold her own, Jade.
20:42Yeah.
20:42She can definitely hold her own.
20:43Did you pick up
20:43on the hand rising as well?
20:45Round the round table.
20:46I think Judy had enough
20:47to deal with at the round table.
20:49Judy, Judy.
20:50Oh, that was going down.
20:52What's it like in that moment
20:53when you're at the round table
20:54and you can feel
20:55a lot of suspicion
20:56coming at you?
20:57How does that feel?
20:58Well, obviously,
20:59I was warm
20:59because Roxy had said,
21:00Judy,
21:01your name's been out there a lot.
21:02and I thought,
21:03oh, is it now?
21:04And obviously,
21:04there's a little bit
21:05where you see me
21:06talk to somebody
21:07in the kitchen.
21:08Yes.
21:09So I was ready.
21:10I thought, bring it on.
21:11We just had to go with it.
21:12You went down
21:12with your head held high.
21:13I did.
21:13I loved that moment
21:15where you'd got wind of,
21:16who's been saying my name?
21:18Yeah.
21:19And then it was like,
21:20oh, Sam's been saying it a lot.
21:21He's like,
21:21where is he?
21:22Yeah.
21:22Where is he?
21:23There's no moment
21:25to be like,
21:26I wonder what's going to happen.
21:28Let's collect ourselves
21:29and see what's going to happen.
21:30is where is he?
21:31Find him now.
21:32Are you avoiding me today, Sam?
21:34No.
21:35Aren't you?
21:38Why?
21:38Why'd you say that?
21:39I've not squelched you much today.
21:40I think you're avoiding me.
21:41You were carrying me on the throne.
21:43I think you're avoiding me
21:44for some reason,
21:45but I'm ready for you.
21:46What made you go,
21:47right,
21:48I'm just going to go
21:48confront him straight away?
21:50Because that's what kind of person I am.
21:52I can't have anything to fester.
21:54I have to confront it,
21:55say it,
21:56get it off my chest.
21:57Was it awkward,
21:58the fact that you were
21:58sat next to each other
21:59at the round table?
22:01Yeah, that was so good.
22:02I've never seen someone so loud
22:03go so quiet so quickly
22:04and then have to sit
22:05next to that person.
22:06Because he's playing
22:07a completely different game
22:09of traitors
22:09to the one you were playing.
22:11Because he was not expecting
22:12anyone to call him out on it.
22:14He was like,
22:14well, that'll come up
22:15at the round table,
22:15but this game's all about subterfuge.
22:17It's about being quiet.
22:18It's about not revealing
22:19your true intentions.
22:20Next thing you know,
22:21kitchen door flies off the floor.
22:23In comes Judy.
22:24You've been avoiding me today.
22:27I can't believe I said that.
22:29Oh, it's great.
22:30It's so good.
22:30So good.
22:31Tom and Alex,
22:32how do you think
22:34Roxy should play the game
22:35now that Judy's out?
22:37Do you think
22:37keep the relationship
22:38absolutely quiet?
22:39Put it in the bin.
22:40Act like it never existed.
22:41Yeah.
22:42There's literally
22:43zero reason
22:44or benefit to her
22:46to mention it.
22:46I think she should get
22:47the revenge mission done.
22:49Yes.
22:50Yeah, just for a month.
22:51Get Sam gone
22:52and then just forget about it.
22:54Yeah.
22:54Like withdraw,
22:55just so that you still love her.
22:57And she probably will.
22:58You don't want your mum
22:59on holiday with you
23:00for the whole thing anyway,
23:00do you?
23:01No.
23:02No, not at all.
23:03I feel like you wouldn't
23:04cramp her style.
23:05I feel like you would elevate it.
23:06Yeah, we've got a great relationship
23:08and she can hold her own.
23:10Yeah.
23:10I don't need to hold her hand.
23:12I love the way
23:12how much you defended yourself.
23:14I would love to have seen you
23:15if someone was accusing
23:15Roxy in front of you.
23:16Yeah, that would have been great.
23:18Yeah, how would that have gone down?
23:19There's not enough words on here.
23:22Before we go,
23:23Joe, I think we have to talk
23:24about your trainers
23:25because they're absolutely incredible.
23:26Thanks.
23:27Yours are nice too.
23:28Thank you so much.
23:28But mine aren't sort of
23:29custom traitors trainers.
23:31Yes.
23:32They're celebrity trainers,
23:33of course.
23:34Yeah, I got these done.
23:35They're amazing.
23:36Yeah, I did send it
23:37to the rest of the cast
23:39to get their thoughts
23:40and they were fucking livid.
23:43Sorry.
23:44Sorry.
23:45They were livid.
23:46They were like,
23:47what have you done
23:47to our faces and that line?
23:49I was like, well,
23:50it was based around
23:51the laser mission that we had.
23:55Yes.
23:55Where the, you know,
23:56heads that we had made of us
23:57were slightly suspect as well.
24:00They're really cool.
24:01I thought they're nice
24:02and, you know,
24:03this is the opportunity to wear them.
24:04Yeah, they're perfect.
24:05I love them.
24:06Thank you.
24:07The chat continues over
24:08on BBC Sounds
24:09where Joe, Tom, Alex, Nettie and Judy
24:11will be sticking around
24:12to do a tactical deep dive
24:13on the series so far
24:14and we'll also be discussing
24:16post-traitor's life.
24:18It's all in your bonus episode
24:19of Uncloaked
24:20which you can listen to right now.
24:21It's quite simple, really.
24:22All you need to do
24:23is scan the QR code
24:24on the screen
24:25or search for us
24:26on your BBC Sounds app.
24:28We'll be back tomorrow night
24:29where I'll be joined
24:30by celebrity traitor
24:31Kat Burns
24:31and Faithful Turn Traitor
24:33from Series 3 Charlotte
24:34for more fun
24:35and treachery
24:36on BBC One.
24:37A huge thanks to Joe,
24:38Tom, Alex, Judy
24:39and Nettie
24:40for joining me.
24:41I'm Ed Gamble.
24:42Stay faithful.
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