Adolescence Episode 1
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00:00:00Satsang with Mooji
00:00:30Satsang with Mooji
00:01:00Satsang with Mooji
00:01:29Don't want to go, does he?
00:01:31Yeah, he knows Tracy will say no, and I'm the soft touch.
00:01:34What, are you going to reply?
00:01:36Well, sure, it's all it. He'll go.
00:01:39Know thyself. Mm-hm.
00:01:41Disgusting. Fucking disgusting.
00:01:43I'm so sorry. Vile.
00:01:45Oh, I can really smell that.
00:01:47Sorry.
00:01:49Eh?
00:01:51Yeah, go ahead, Jo.
00:01:54Confirming 10.51, ready to go, over.
00:01:58Bravo Delta 5-0 to Bravo Delta 6-0, are you ready to roll up?
00:02:02Yep, ready, ready. Received.
00:02:06Let's go, Jo. Let's go. Yep. Yeah.
00:02:28Go, go, go.
00:02:41Go, go, go.
00:02:42Go, go, go.
00:03:00Police! Get down on the floor!
00:03:02What's going on?
00:03:03Eddie!
00:03:04I've got two kids over here!
00:03:06I haven't done anything.
00:03:09You've got the wrong house.
00:03:11I'm telling you.
00:03:12You're making a big mistake.
00:03:13What are you doing?
00:03:15What's coming out of my school?
00:03:17Oh, police!
00:03:19Just make fun!
00:03:20Show me your hands!
00:03:20Get your hands in the air!
00:03:21Get your hands in the fucking air so I can see him now!
00:03:23Get out of here!
00:03:25Hey, my daughter!
00:03:26What are you doing, please?
00:03:27What are you doing?
00:03:28My name is D.I. Bascom.
00:03:29I have a warrant to search your premises, sir.
00:03:31Where's your son?
00:03:32Where's your son?
00:03:32He's in his bedroom.
00:03:33What do you need me, Floyd, for?
00:03:35Where is he?
00:03:36Mum!
00:03:37Hey, he's only a kid, mate.
00:03:38He's a fucking back house.
00:03:39Okay.
00:03:40Hey!
00:03:41Jamie Miller, the time is 6.15 a.m., and I'm arresting you on suspicion of murder.
00:03:47You do not have to say anything, but may...
00:03:50Mr. Miller!
00:03:51Mr. Miller, I will arrest you for obstruction.
00:03:54Please stop.
00:03:55Please.
00:03:56What do you need me, Floyd?
00:03:57I'm arresting you on suspicion of murder.
00:03:58You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defense if you do not mention one question...
00:04:02Dad, I haven't done anything!
00:04:03...something which you later rely on in court.
00:04:04Dad!
00:04:05Anything you do say may be given in evidence.
00:04:06Dad!
00:04:07I haven't done anything!
00:04:08Dad!
00:04:08Do you understand?
00:04:09Do you understand?
00:04:10Do you understand?
00:04:11Just tell him you understand, Jake!
00:04:12All right, I understand!
00:04:13Okay, good.
00:04:14Get up slowly, please.
00:04:16You got anything in your pockets that may harm me or you?
00:04:20No.
00:04:21Okay.
00:04:23You want to change your trousers?
00:04:26Yeah.
00:04:27Want me to get your dad?
00:04:29Yes, please.
00:04:30Don't move.
00:04:33Stand down, please.
00:04:34Stand down.
00:04:35Stand down!
00:04:35Mr. Miller, you need to come upstairs.
00:04:37He's had an accident.
00:04:37Okay?
00:04:38You need to help him, please.
00:04:39You're okay, love.
00:04:40I'm in for it.
00:04:41Jake?
00:04:42Are you all right, love?
00:04:42As quick as you can.
00:04:46Is this the parents' room?
00:04:47Yeah.
00:04:50What are you doing there, Mr. Miller?
00:04:54Yeah, it's not down, mate, yeah.
00:04:58How are we doing?
00:04:59Are we good?
00:04:59Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:05:00Let's go, let's go.
00:05:03Don't need your trainers.
00:05:03I've got slippers for you downstairs.
00:05:04We'll get you in the band.
00:05:05Come.
00:05:06Can I come with you?
00:05:06We're just going to have to wait until we leave, Mr. Miller.
00:05:08Come follow off.
00:05:09Go and get your mum.
00:05:09You don't care?
00:05:10Go and get your mum.
00:05:11Excuse me, love.
00:05:11What are you doing?
00:05:12I'm just searching for evidence.
00:05:14What?
00:05:14That's hard, dirty washing?
00:05:16There's not an in there, love.
00:05:17There's nothing in there.
00:05:18I'm telling you.
00:05:19There's nothing in there, that's fine.
00:05:20Mrs. Miller, stand here.
00:05:22Mrs. Miller, no, you can't go out there.
00:05:24What are you, you're wrecking me house?
00:05:26What are you looking for?
00:05:28Just let me know what you're looking for.
00:05:30Here you are.
00:05:32Oh, fuck's sake.
00:05:33Please, here you are.
00:05:34What's going on?
00:05:35Stop it.
00:05:35Come here.
00:05:36Listen to me, I'm explaining to your wife,
00:05:37your son, he's been arrested on suspicion of murder, right?
00:05:40He could not.
00:05:40Take him to the station for questioning.
00:05:42You can follow us there, it's on Haywood Street.
00:05:43Do you know where that is?
00:05:44Of course I do, yeah, it's around the corner.
00:05:45You might be entitled to compensation for any mess that we've caused you today.
00:05:48Fill this in and get it back to you.
00:05:49What do you mean, because you've bashed the bleeding door in, love?
00:05:50Why don't you need guns for a 13-year-old?
00:05:53He's 13.
00:05:54Do you understand what I've said to you, Bart?
00:05:55Of course.
00:05:55Do you understand what we're telling you, love?
00:05:57There's no way he's done this.
00:05:58Look, he's had guns in his face and everything.
00:06:00I hope he's not happy with yourself.
00:06:02He's done nothing.
00:06:03He's a kid.
00:06:04Jay, Jay, it's all right, lad.
00:06:06Don't be worried, son.
00:06:07Jay, Jay, Jay, me and your mum are going to follow, okay?
00:06:12Jay, don't stay done, okay?
00:06:15Jay!
00:06:16Jay, you'll be okay, son, you'll be okay, okay?
00:06:19Fuckin' it!
00:06:20Come on.
00:06:21Dad!
00:06:22Dad!
00:06:23Dad!
00:06:24Dad!
00:06:25Dad!
00:06:26Dad!
00:06:27Dad!
00:06:28Dad!
00:06:29Dad!
00:06:30Dad!
00:06:31Yeah, go ahead.
00:06:32Yeah, 1095, all okay and cooperative, okay?
00:06:35Dad!
00:06:36Dad!
00:06:37Dad!
00:06:38Dad!
00:06:38Dad!
00:06:39Dad!
00:06:40Dad!
00:06:42Dad, I want to love you.
00:06:46Dad, I want to love you.
00:06:59I know it's hard.
00:07:01You need to calm down, okay?
00:07:03Just calm yourself down, man.
00:07:05Oh, God.
00:07:06Hey, hey, hey, hey.
00:07:36We'll get into that conversation when we get to the station, OK?
00:07:39This is not the place to be speaking about anything like that, all right?
00:07:44Save all of this for when we get there and say another word.
00:07:48I'm going to suggest something.
00:07:51When asked, you ask for a solicitor, OK?
00:07:55And you can speak to your parents about it when you get to the station.
00:07:58It won't make you seem more guilty.
00:08:02Just for your best interest, all right?
00:08:03Jamie, this is Derek.
00:08:08Derek will be your appropriate adult for the purpose of this arrest, all right?
00:08:11Hi, Jamie.
00:08:12I'm from Doncaster Social Services, all right?
00:08:14Once you get there, the custody sergeant is going to ask you
00:08:17whether you want to keep Derek on or whether you want someone else,
00:08:19or you can even have one of your parents.
00:08:22It'll just be for your searches, bloods,
00:08:24any time you're talking to your solicitor, that sort of thing, OK?
00:08:28We won't prejudice your case, whatever you decide, mate.
00:08:32All right?
00:08:36Yeah, y'all.
00:08:39OK, Jamie.
00:08:40Hey, hey, hey, hey, that's enough, that's enough, just enough, just enough.
00:09:04No penalty.
00:09:06OK?
00:09:06I'm sorry.
00:09:16Then what's wrong?
00:09:18Do I, if you?
00:09:22secrets.
00:09:24Right, I'm sorry.
00:09:28I'm sorry.
00:09:29Hell, I'm sorry.
00:09:30I'm sorry.
00:09:30Why are you going to enter this,
00:09:31and I'm sorry.
00:09:31And if you are free for mez veil,
00:09:32I'm sorry.
00:09:32That you're closing, especially true.
00:09:33I'm sorry.
00:09:33You're listening.
00:09:34You're starting to see anyone.
00:09:35Whatever you could want to do today.
00:11:36What?
00:11:37Did the officer explain that you don't need to speak, but anything you do say may be given in evidence?
00:11:44Yeah?
00:11:44Yeah.
00:11:45Okay.
00:11:46And will you be wanting a solicitor?
00:11:48Yeah.
00:11:49Okay.
00:11:50And do you have a solicitor or do you want the station to provide one?
00:11:53I don't know.
00:11:56I don't think so.
00:11:58Can you ask my dad, please?
00:11:59Yeah.
00:12:00So, because you're a juvenile, you need to be supported by an appropriate adult.
00:12:03Now, would you like that to be one of your parents or would you like that to be...
00:12:07Yeah, I'd like my dad's place.
00:12:09Are you sure?
00:12:09You can have a think about that if you want.
00:12:11I want my dad's place.
00:12:12Okay.
00:12:13Next business, son.
00:12:14Are you fit and well?
00:12:17What?
00:12:18Are you currently taking any medication for anything, Jamie?
00:12:21No.
00:12:22Okay.
00:12:22And have you got any long-term medical conditions such as asthma or any kind of serious allergies?
00:12:28No.
00:12:29Okay.
00:12:29And have you ever tried to take your own life or self-harmed?
00:12:35No.
00:12:36Have you had your breakfast, son?
00:12:38No.
00:12:40Okay.
00:12:40I am, it's 6.31, authorising your detention so that the officers can preserve evidence by questioning you about the offence you are suspected of.
00:12:49You can be held at this police station for 24 hours.
00:12:52Your detention here will be reviewed by an independent inspector on a regular basis
00:12:56so that you, your solicitor, or your appropriate adult can make representations about your detention at that review.
00:13:04You understood all that, son?
00:13:07Yeah.
00:13:08Okay.
00:13:08Good lad.
00:13:09Right, let's get you to a cell.
00:13:11It'll just be you in there, then we can fetch you some breakfast.
00:13:14I think we've got some cornflakes somewhere.
00:13:15Is that okay, Jamie?
00:13:21Can I go to them?
00:13:23Jamie, we just need to process you here, okay, son?
00:13:25And the sooner we do this, the sooner we can bring your dad in.
00:13:28All right, lad?
00:13:29A cornflakes all right for you, Jamie?
00:13:33Just pay attention, Jamie.
00:13:34You're doing well, son.
00:13:35This bit's nearly over now.
00:13:36You're doing really well.
00:13:39Cornflakes are okay?
00:13:40Yes.
00:13:41Okay.
00:13:42Once you've had your breakfast, Jamie, a nurse will be brought in.
00:13:44And if she thinks you're okay, she'll be taken to have some photos and samples taken, okay?
00:13:50Then your lawyer will be brought to you.
00:13:51All right, son?
00:13:53Yes.
00:13:54Okay.
00:13:55This is a word, lad.
00:13:57Right, PC.
00:13:58You're going to get yourself over six.
00:14:00Right.
00:14:01You want to get to follow me?
00:14:02No.
00:14:02No.
00:14:02No.
00:14:03No.
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00:14:26Okay, then, Jamie.
00:14:27This is what we call a dry cell.
00:14:29So we need the toilet, you're going to have to ask, all right?
00:14:35Okay.
00:14:36Oh.
00:15:06I don't know what you're doing.
00:15:13Mr. Miller, how's it going?
00:15:18Brilliant, yeah?
00:15:20Look, I understand this must be a hard time for you.
00:15:22I've got a few questions I need to ask, if that's OK.
00:15:26Jamie's asked for a solicitor.
00:15:29Is there a family one that you guys have?
00:15:32No, I don't know what's going on.
00:15:34OK, well, we can provide one.
00:15:35Yeah, we have a duty solicitor here that we can call.
00:15:39What, is that one of yours, is it, yeah?
00:15:41Well, they don't work for us.
00:15:42It's their duty to protect your son's best interest,
00:15:44but it's a service that we have here free of charge if asked for.
00:15:48Yeah, well, free normally means no good, though, don't it?
00:15:50Mr. Miller, look, I completely understand your concerns,
00:15:53but in my experience, they're very competent solicitors,
00:15:55so it's up to you.
00:15:59OK, go on, then. Yeah. OK.
00:16:03You all right, Mrs. Miller? No.
00:16:06How can you behave like that and come in here and behave like this?
00:16:09How does that work, eh?
00:16:11You're meant to treat me on the floor, treat my daughter on the floor.
00:16:14I'm OK. I hope they didn't do that.
00:16:16I hope they told you to get on the floor for your safety and for theirs.
00:16:20And if they didn't, you are well within your rights to make a complaint, OK?
00:16:24Would you like me to get someone to come in there?
00:16:26That is what they did, Mum.
00:16:28OK.
00:16:29OK.
00:16:30All right.
00:16:32Last thing.
00:16:33We do have someone suitable, if you're unable to do it.
00:16:36But Jamie has asked whether you'll be his appropriate adult.
00:16:41What's that?
00:16:42Or you'll be in his interviews with him.
00:16:44Any bloods taken by the nurse.
00:16:46That sort of stuff.
00:16:48How do you feel about that?
00:16:49OK, yeah.
00:16:50Yeah, all right.
00:16:51Why did he pick you?
00:16:54He's not good at needles.
00:16:56He won't.
00:16:57He'll be fine.
00:16:58It's all right.
00:16:59He'll be fine.
00:17:00Mr Miller, I have to say this.
00:17:02If your son has admitted to you anything regarding this case or any of the events leading up to this case, you can't do this job.
00:17:09No, he hasn't said anything.
00:17:10Look, I'm only saying because it could jeopardise this case, OK?
00:17:12No, and I told you, you've got it wrong, mate.
00:17:14He hasn't done anything.
00:17:15He's said nothing to us.
00:17:16He's done nothing.
00:17:18OK.
00:17:19All right, look, erm, there's a coffee machine there.
00:17:23The nurse is going to be a while, all right?
00:17:25Someone will come through and see you soon.
00:17:27It's drinkable.
00:17:28Help yourself.
00:17:30Just...
00:17:31I'll see you soon.
00:17:36Shall we run a coffee, love?
00:17:37No, thanks.
00:17:38Well, don't be letting everyone know what's happening. We haven't even got a clue ourselves yet, love.
00:17:51Texting Susie to make sure our house is OK. We haven't got a door anymore, if you remember.
00:17:56Yeah, look, maybe, maybe you should go home, mate.
00:18:02Yeah, you should.
00:18:03Well, what would I do there?
00:18:05I'm not, I'm not going, I'm not, I'm not...
00:18:07Tell her look not to clean anything up, OK?
00:18:13Tell her to take loads of photos, so we can fill that form thing in.
00:18:17Quite a good idea.
00:18:22What's going to happen?
00:18:25It's all right, love.
00:18:26It's just a mistake.
00:18:27You see it on the tally all the time.
00:18:29It's just a mistake.
00:18:32She said they were charging him with murder.
00:18:34Well, they haven't done anything, has they?
00:18:35No, of course they haven't.
00:18:36Of course they have.
00:18:37Yeah, they've been a mistake.
00:18:38Yeah.
00:18:39Of course they have, yeah.
00:18:40All right, I'll start.
00:18:41No, he has.
00:18:42Excuse me, love.
00:18:43Excuse me.
00:18:44You were at our house, weren't you?
00:18:45Yeah.
00:18:46Can you tell me when we can see me son?
00:18:48Not long, Mr Miller, all right?
00:18:59Morning, Sarge.
00:19:00Are you all right?
00:19:01Yeah, I do.
00:19:02Yeah.
00:19:11Morning, Carol.
00:19:12Morning, all right?
00:19:13Yeah.
00:19:14Morning, everyone.
00:19:15Morning.
00:19:16Oh, fucking hell, how much do you want a cigarette right now?
00:19:17Don't start me off, mate.
00:19:18Fuck.
00:19:19Have you had anything from upstairs yet?
00:19:20Just comms wanting to know what to release and when.
00:19:21Nothing from the DCI.
00:19:22Mm-hmm.
00:19:23Mm-hmm.
00:19:24You worried about the dad?
00:19:25The dad?
00:19:26Hmm.
00:19:27No, I'm not worried about the dad.
00:19:28Why?
00:19:29What are you saying?
00:19:30Oh, no.
00:19:31I had this old case once, right?
00:19:32Young boy.
00:19:33Put it this way.
00:19:34Took us months before we realised what the dad was doing to him, so...
00:19:36I don't see it, mate.
00:19:37I don't see it, mate.
00:19:38I don't.
00:19:39No, you're right.
00:19:40You're right.
00:19:41You're right.
00:19:42You're right.
00:19:43Ah, God.
00:19:44Forensics.
00:19:45What are you saying?
00:19:46What do you think they'll have an answer already, like?
00:19:47Oh, no.
00:19:48I had this old case once, right?
00:19:51Young boy.
00:19:52Put it this way.
00:19:54Took us months before we realised what the dad was doing to him, so...
00:19:59I don't see it, mate.
00:20:00I don't.
00:20:01No, you're right.
00:20:02You're right.
00:20:03God.
00:20:05Ah, God.
00:20:06Yeah.
00:20:07Forensics.
00:20:08What are you saying?
00:20:09What have we got?
00:20:10What do you think they'll have an answer already?
00:20:11Like...
00:20:12Well, they should have been through a chunk of the arse by now.
00:20:14No shoes?
00:20:15Possible weapon?
00:20:16with him now and what about bruntwood they sent over the files yet oh i don't think anyone's
00:20:20actually been in the school yet mate it's early in it all right well can we get into his phone
00:20:23nope it's locked can we ask him for a code not until after the assessment we can't no she's late
00:20:28cheers mate yeah you want to go through the plan again i mean we could but honestly i think we're
00:20:36good mate all right i get it i get it go and have enough i'm going to have a week all right see you
00:20:53sir i'm just going through the pr forms now okay post charge is uh is underage the council
00:20:58gonna have to decide which accommodation they can move him to oh hello nice of you to join us
00:21:04you're joking me do you know what time it is no evan i don't know what you're asking me mate i'm
00:21:10asking for a risk assessment well he's been accused of murdering someone with a kitchen knife okay so
00:21:14where are we going to put him then cross that bridge when we come to yeah yeah okay yeah sound cool
00:21:34good time or bad time
00:21:51i'm sorry sorry i know it's early a shower yeah okay anyway did adam go in
00:21:58i mean i mean is he going in
00:22:05hmm keeps on texting me and i've told me sure he only texts me because he knows i'm the soft toucher
00:22:13yeah she sure did anyway i just that's why i call and say hi
00:22:19yeah yeah i'm all right listen i better go all right you too i'll see you later bye
00:22:31okay
00:22:35sir got it good good
00:22:45sorry thank you sorry yes okay jamie just a few more questions then if that's okay
00:23:03can you explain to me what being under arrest means means being here can you have another go
00:23:12at that answer the question lad it means the police think i've done something and the lad
00:23:20not locked up until they know whoever i have it's a good answer can you explain why you might need a
00:23:26lawyer so so i don't get trapped saying the wrong thing also a good answer okay jamie well i think
00:23:38you're a bright boy i don't see a vulnerability that the police need to be aware of you got any
00:23:44questions for me um no i don't think so is that a bad thing no you're fine like a year minute okay
00:23:58you're going to eat some so i don't want to go on eat the cornflakes need to eat some
00:24:12i don't know but i haven't done anything i just i just want to go i just want to go home i've not
00:24:23done anything
00:24:37do you believe me that i've not done anything
00:24:39of course i believe you i hear my son aren't you hey
00:24:53sorry mr miller i'm gonna have to ask you to leave if that's okay sorry
00:24:57eat cornflakes yeah
00:25:06how you calling your son yeah keep your strength up yeah all right mr miller do you want to follow
00:25:10me back to the family room how long is he going to be here mate can't answer any questions
00:25:21down mr miller unfortunately mate he's a bright boy you know right no current medication no relevant
00:25:30medical history i hate juvenile cases mate no one likes him good morning sergeant good morning
00:25:40jamie miller all right okay parents are in the family room and the lads in the cell so i'm guessing
00:25:46parents first yeah yes you know where you're going don't you fella yeah i do okay good morning
00:25:57there you are thank you
00:26:02sorry to disturb mr and mrs miller um my name's paul barlow i'm from story in french i've been
00:26:07allocated jamie's case all right um can you tell us what's going on yeah do you want to take a
00:26:12seat now then we'll run through a few things um so the way this works is um i'll be briefed by the
00:26:21arresting officers as to the particulars of the case and i'll also catch up with what's been going
00:26:25on since jamie's arrest okay do you have any complaints is to treatment so far yeah he saw the
00:26:32house apart he had guns and everything they smashed the door and wrecked the house when a violent death's
00:26:38taken place that's sometimes the name of the game the question is whether or not that was proportionate
00:26:42and that we'll uh we'll look at that later okay but more importantly how's how's jamie doing
00:26:47he's yeah he asked me to he asked me to be his thing was appropriate adult yeah no it's good it's
00:26:53good it's generally it's generally better he has a parent in there with him you can keep him calm
00:26:57while we try and work this out he's um he'd have to have seen him then to be honest with you he's not
00:27:05nothing superman i don't blame him neither would i um to be honest there's not much i can say right
00:27:12now that will make this situation any better um i can see the shock that's happened here and it
00:27:17is totally understandable but we'll do our best here for you okay i'm gonna go get myself briefed if
00:27:23you can hang tight for me and someone will be along with you shortly okay okay thank you now cheers
00:27:29of course of course thanks again she'll be on the way down is it the usual room yes
00:27:59good morning paul for you thank you okay so what have we got incident took place at 10 13 pm last
00:28:29night arrest approximately 25 minutes ago that's my personal record broken then
00:28:38heard you made a mess of the house yeah sorry about that
00:28:42okay murder okay so i'm assuming you're going after possession and threatening as well then yep
00:28:47can i know anything about the victim oh you will do okay
00:28:52is it media blackout is it because i couldn't see anything on my phone we're still looking for
00:28:59the relatives their dad okay all right let's risk through this uh has been told his right to silence
00:29:06yes is he clear on what that means yes has he been fed he's had the opportunity to eat assessed yeah she
00:29:13passed him fit searched wait for you good to hear and i see that you're taking blood yeah scratches on his
00:29:19arm blood at the scene it's not without justification i wasn't questioning that okay and what investigation
00:29:25has taken place with the wise nothing with the suspect anything else i need to know nothing we're
00:29:31going to tell you now mate when was the victim pronounced at the scene multiple wounds it's in there
00:29:40his father's his appropriate adult correct is he okay i think so how's jamie around him
00:29:47i don't know ready for samples when you are sergeant what is that all i'm getting yep so are you
00:29:53gonna get me all right okay samples first but then a chat i want to have a look at this kid first
00:29:57don't be so excited i'm not excited makes you look like a bit of a prick
00:30:01uh uh did i bask in just one last thing what just two minutes i just need two minutes yeah sure
00:30:06we've got a teacher here from bundland academy all right i'll be up i'll be so quick follow me
00:30:11me
00:30:22can i have mr miller please
00:30:26nice sir we just need you in the medical suite as well your son has some samples taken please
00:30:30okay um i'll i'll be as quick as i can watch him with the needles just follow me sir
00:30:44just wait in here please mr miller and your son will be with you shortly i'll leave you two yeah
00:30:48it's warm isn't it really warm do you want me to hang your jacket up oh you're all right love thank you
00:31:07hold jimmy so what's gonna happen now we're gonna take some photos then we're gonna take some samples
00:31:13and then we're gonna search okay okay okay let's get you over on this chair here shall we facing that
00:31:20camera on the wall just to take some photos so there'll be a bit of a flash all right
00:31:32lovely and to the side
00:31:34lovely and that's done jimmy very quickly my name's uh paul barlow from a solicitor firm called
00:31:55story in french and i'll be advising you today okay um we're talking a bit but i didn't want you
00:32:00wondering who this strange man was all right jimmy can i just get you to stand here for me
00:32:05just gonna do a quick mouth swab if that's okay sorry let me close the door just open wide for me
00:32:16on the other side
00:32:20okay my love all right then let's get you over here shall with some fingerprints
00:32:26so just get to get your right thumb let's press on there there'll be a red light that'll come on
00:32:33thank you and your index finger
00:32:40lovely and your middle finger
00:32:46lovely and your ring finger
00:32:48and your ring finger
00:32:53and your middle finger
00:32:57thank you okay and let's do your other one so left thumb
00:33:04that's it thank you index finger
00:33:08yeah
00:33:11and your middle finger
00:33:12thank you
00:33:17thank you and your ring finger
00:33:19there we are thank you and then your little finger last one though
00:33:26lovely thank you
00:33:28okay then
00:33:31so now jamie we need your passcode just so we can access your phone if that's okay
00:33:35uh there's no need to give them that jimmy
00:33:37no no
00:33:44okay erica yeah jimmy do you want to um just hop on the bed for me i'm just gonna take some bloods if
00:33:49that's okay
00:33:51uh i don't really like no he's no good with needles love jimmy i've got to warn you it may
00:33:56harm your defense if you refuse yeah he's right do you consent to your son giving a specimen mr miller
00:34:04you're gonna be okay
00:34:08i don't know you'll be fine i won't i won't take long promise be as quick as possible okay yeah
00:34:13just look at me lads yeah keep looking at your dad put yourself on there for me just keep looking at me
00:34:20i'm just gonna put this around your hand
00:34:26i'm just gonna feel a bit of a squeeze
00:34:34is it is it gonna
00:34:38i bet you're looking at your dad nice and still for me
00:34:43i'm just gonna feel like a sharp scratch okay
00:34:46look at me
00:34:46look at your dad
00:34:47come on
00:34:48come on
00:34:48try
00:34:49oh
00:34:54i'm nearly there
00:34:55mate it's all right
00:34:56i'm nearly there keep looking at your dad
00:35:00is it done
00:35:02yeah
00:35:03here you go
00:35:04good lad good lad see
00:35:07well in
00:35:08okay just keep your finger on that for me
00:35:11just look up on the knees
00:35:12sound
00:35:13hold on
00:35:13it wasn't here you got well insorted
00:35:17okay then
00:35:19i'm gonna have to ask you to take your clothes off
00:35:20i need to conduct a strip search
00:35:26is that necessary
00:35:27afraid to
00:35:30i'm not too sure about this mate
00:35:33but there is a chance that he may have concealed things on or around his body
00:35:38i hear him he he wet himself earlier on so he's changed his undies and everything
00:35:43i understand mr miller
00:35:44now we change mr miller and everything mr miller i understand but this is a serious offense
00:35:49okay i've got scratch marks on his left arm i need to make sure that there's no other cuts or
00:35:53bruises that we need to be aware of i think this is a bit serious as well don't you
00:35:58i mean how would you have felt if you were 13 and you had two grown men looking at your bits
00:36:03i wasn't accused of a crime that's it though mate accused he hasn't been found guilty he's
00:36:07been accused can you not do anything about this i'm sorry they're entitled to under pace
00:36:13mr miller promise i will be very careful
00:36:15i don't know you from adam mate mr miller we know what i mean we really do need to
00:36:19cooperate with this he's 13. he's 18. passcodes we can fill in one moment
00:36:24it's procedure mr miller mr miller mr miller this is good for james defense
00:36:28it's fine you okay i don't mind
00:36:32so jamie is just okay to pop your clothes off for me
00:36:44so i need to observe and then pc grogan's just going to observe me all right
00:36:49just want to pop your clothes on the side there yeah
00:37:05if you want to turn to face me
00:37:10just lift your arms up for me
00:37:18and then face the wall behind you
00:37:35i need to make sure that there's no defensive wounds on your scrotum
00:37:48okay
00:38:08okay all right then and that's done so i'll ask you to pop these clothes on for me and then we'll pop
00:38:18yours just in this bag here
00:38:29thank you
00:38:32what are they for me what are you going to do with them to be used as evidence mr miller
00:38:41you okay you all right yeah yeah you sure okay good lad are we finished in here
00:38:48could i get a room to speak to my client please yeah sure thanks for follow me
00:38:52um thank you both of you um some chairs in there thank you jamie do you want to pop yourself on the
00:39:02other side of that table and dad can sit next to you
00:39:09well that was uh that that's the the worst part of that over and done with i'm glad to say and i
00:39:13thought you handled it extremely well jamie
00:39:16um what's your favorite subject in school jamie
00:39:27why does that matter just humor me
00:39:31history why
00:39:35i like the stories and um what's your favorite bit of history
00:39:40um we're doing the industrial revolution oh yeah all right okay um
00:39:48who do you like who took part in the industrial revolution
00:39:53uh you know you know brunel yes yes i do i like him why
00:40:00because he he did stuff no one else did boats trains everything he just did it
00:40:07yeah he did a smart kid
00:40:14um all right i'm i'm not here to ask you whether or not you did or didn't do it jamie
00:40:19i didn't do it you know what he did it my job and your dad's job is to protect you whatever
00:40:24happened last night okay and the police they're trying to find out what happened last night but
00:40:29they're they're not here to protect you they believe you're guilty of something and that's why we're
00:40:33here all right so all i want you to do is say no comment all right that's it just no comment
00:40:41to everything uh no not to everything that won't go down well uh just two questions about the events
00:40:49of last night all right do you think you can decipher between questions you should answer and
00:40:55questions you shouldn't answer i don't know is your name jamie yeah and where were you last night jamie
00:41:11no comment that's it that's it whenever you're unsure whenever it's 50 50 just say no comment and
00:41:18if i think you should answer the question i'll advise you so all right but you're a very bright
00:41:21lad and i think you'll do absolutely fine um i'll be in there your dad will be in there i won't be
00:41:27afraid to speak up on your behalf and your dad can also speak up whenever he chooses all right
00:41:33oh yeah of course you can yeah yeah
00:41:38i haven't i haven't done anything wrong
00:41:40well that makes it easy then doesn't it right i'm gonna i'll be back in a second um i'm just
00:41:49gonna see how they're getting on setting up for this interview if you could sit tight try to be
00:41:53patient for me i'll be back for you all right
00:41:59just wait a minute lad excuse me mate yeah
00:42:02i am i haven't got a clue what i'm doing here i don't know both of us hey just um don't answer
00:42:10for him all right uh just just be yourself um they know you as dad we know you as dad it's it's okay
00:42:19to process it's okay to be shocked and it's it's okay to be human right yeah i mean this this isn't
00:42:26normal do you know what i mean no never even been in a police station before you'll be fine
00:42:32i just i just don't want to get it wrong for me lad you know what i mean you'll be fine
00:42:41i'm shitting myself
00:42:45he's a he's a good kid yeah and i i'm i'm a good dad do you know what i mean he he really is look
00:42:52you said yourself you even said he was bright you know what i mean yeah i did so do you understand
00:42:56i can i can see that but here we are now and we've this to deal with okay and i think the
00:43:05police have some pretty compelling evidence otherwise they wouldn't have been able to ask
00:43:10for blood they wouldn't have been able to make the entrance that they did now i don't know what
00:43:13the evidence is but i'm pretty sure it's going to become clear to us very soon okay so um the best
00:43:20thing for you to do is to raise that chin up and be the good dad and suck it up okay yeah
00:43:30look they're shaping up for the interview i need a minute just to have a look through
00:43:32everything can you sit with him you all right doing that i'll be back for you shortly okay
00:43:38okay you're all right you'll be fine okay all right it's uh
00:43:53i'll just be outside if you need me
00:43:54you okay okay look at me look at me
00:44:21i'm gonna ask you once okay
00:44:25no matter what's happened no matter what you've done or you've never done
00:44:28i want you to tell me the truth
00:44:36did you do it
00:44:42no
00:44:45promise
00:44:49promise
00:44:49okay
00:44:57okay then everything's gonna be all right then isn't it hey
00:44:59okay okay they're ready yeah okay so are we yeah it's okay jamie are they
00:45:06come on come on you're all right let's go
00:45:11um you okay yeah just before we go in jamie just uh go with what we said in there again if you're
00:45:16unsure just look to me remember that no comment and um you're down a bit by your side all the way
00:45:22through it all right you're all right you're all right you're all right you're all right okay
00:45:31come on crew hey jamie i'll have you sit down there
00:45:36and then your dad can sit next to you and paul you can just pull up that seat over there yeah
00:45:43so let everyone know this interview will be recorded audio and video is that okay jamie
00:45:49yeah okay i'm gonna start the recording now
00:45:58okay
00:46:00first of all i'm going to start with reminding you of your rights jamie
00:46:04i want you to listen carefully you do not have to say anything but it may harm your defense if you
00:46:10do not mention one question something which you later rely on in court anything you do say may be
00:46:15given in evidence okay yeah i am di bascom in attendance is ds frank we are talking to jamie miller
00:46:23his appropriate adult eddie miller and his solicitor paul barlow the time is
00:46:316 58 a.m sit up i'm going to start off with asking you what you did last night jamie
00:46:39last night yeah jamie it wasn't that long ago no comment okay what did you do
00:46:51no comment that's not really helpful is it jamie
00:46:58sorry okay no worries let's move on to something we can talk about i've been reading your school reports
00:47:06why i've got your teachers to send them over
00:47:11it's looking good doing really well you're a good student you want to take your a-levels
00:47:20um you can answer that jamie i don't know okay they also talk about some
00:47:29problems with your behavior more recently last year or so yeah okay what are the problems why are they
00:47:40i don't know
00:47:44do you have good friends jamie yeah okay who are your good friends
00:47:48no comment oh you won't get them into trouble
00:47:57you battered my door down this morning so i'm not sure you can say that
00:48:01that's fair okay look i'm going to ask you about romantic relationships sexual relationships
00:48:11why why well i noticed on your instagram that you reposted a picture of this model
00:48:19what's her name jamie
00:48:23i just like her pictures you don't know her name
00:48:25bro okay you also posted a picture of this woman
00:48:29and this woman below this one more recent one you can see there's a series of comments
00:48:42and innuendos which seem pretty aggressive
00:48:47and from you how do you feel about women jamie what kind of a question is that are you attracted to
00:48:53women yeah okay and are these the type of women you're attracted to yeah okay do you have a
00:49:04girlfriend no if you did would you want her to look like any of these women no they're too old
00:49:14it's true i also see that you um you posted pics of you and who i think are friends
00:49:21where were these pictures taken um train station i think okay who are these boys
00:49:35i understand you don't want to get them into trouble i get it but they're not going to be in
00:49:39trouble man it's fine just trying to build up a picture jimmy it won't be hard for us to find them
00:49:47you're a smart lad aren't you you can see that go ahead tell them
00:50:01that's tommy that's ryan okay good friends yeah yeah you're in a lot of pics with them
00:50:11um because tommy tags me in them okay is it always you three out together
00:50:21i guess so yeah how long have you known them
00:50:26um year one tommy and then ryan came in year four okay what do you guys like to do together what's fun for
00:50:36you i don't know sports films music dancing what just going into town hanging out yeah okay were you
00:50:47hanging out with them last night
00:50:51no comment what time did you get home
00:50:55no comment okay okay i get it everyone's trying to do their job here
00:51:00if you remember rightly jamie i was the one that suggested you get a solicitor wasn't i yeah
00:51:09all right may i ask you what you were wearing last night i don't remember
00:51:16okay well i've seen the crime officers didn't manage to find any of your clothes from last night but
00:51:21they think they've managed to find your trainers can you identify these as your trainers
00:51:26well it's it's quite hard in a photo do you own a pair of nike a max in white and blue
00:51:33yeah thank you were you wearing them last night
00:51:39i don't know maybe i don't know
00:51:45jamie do you know a girl called katie leonard there she is
00:51:50yeah yeah she's not in your reg group is she but you do share some classes together that's right
00:51:56innit english english top set english very good maths and french you're in set two it's good that
00:52:09do you two get on
00:52:10yeah yeah describe each other as friends then i don't know well she occasionally comments on
00:52:21your instagram post doesn't she so you know it's probably a sign that you were like friends right
00:52:27i don't know maybe and do you think other people would describe you two as friends
00:52:33what is she who's dead then why would you ask her hmm is she oh yeah she is and we think you know
00:52:47that so it's really clever of you to ask the question if that is the case anything careful
00:52:51do you have asking okay then i'll tell you what describe your friendship to me
00:52:59no comment oh right you seem prepared to talk about your other friendships but not this one
00:53:05can you tell me why well i think that's pretty clear why wouldn't you say yeah i'm asking jamie
00:53:12we knew each other at school but not out of school right and was it a relationship that ever
00:53:19went beyond friendship i wouldn't even class it as a friendship were you attracted to her no
00:53:28was there anything that could be described as sexual between you two no he's 13 years of age
00:53:33it's a bit strong i know just have to ask the question that's all can you answer it for me kid
00:53:40no was it her you were going to see last night jamie did you go and see her no see her parents
00:53:46have told us that she left the house at 8 30 p.m was she coming to see you then i've just said
00:53:53we weren't even mates but you did see her didn't you no i didn't okay her body was found at crowther's
00:54:00car park just past 10 30 p.m the paramedics arrived at the scene were unable to stop the bleeding
00:54:06it was confirmed that she was killed less than an hour before which means between 9 30 and 10 30 p.m
00:54:13where were you at that time i don't know but you were out no comment okay if i were to ask your dad
00:54:24here what time you were home what would he say no i was on call i've been in for 10 minutes when you
00:54:28look at me dawning and you're not interviewing mr miller no were you following her jamie are we meeting
00:54:35her there well neither did you kill her jamie no you didn't kill her no i didn't you you've got me
00:54:46confused with someone else okay
00:54:53do you know how many times she was stabbed jamie
00:54:55no seven times seven times all over my chest neck thigh arm a lot of stabbing
00:55:15does that upset you of course it does look at him it's a young girl you do know what cctv is don't you jamie
00:55:25hang on hang on um so i think that would be a good opportunity for us to take a break
00:55:31have a private consultation
00:55:36jay
00:55:39jay you're all right yeah yeah i really think that we should i'd insist on that no but i don't i don't
00:55:44think it's a good idea because he's he's told them he's not even a friend he doesn't really know
00:55:49it you know what i mean okay and he's got nothing to hide so go on so he's going to tell you okay fine
00:55:53we'll carry on yeah yeah okay okay okay okay so jamie we've been looking through cctv images of you
00:56:00and katie from last night okay we've gone through council footage local businesses
00:56:10what we've managed to do is we've we've put together a timeline of her movements and your movements okay
00:56:15so this is you isn't it in the middle there meadows meadows square 7 43 pm so that's you
00:56:26we can tell it's you we can see your jumper your jeans and like air max we just discussed
00:56:32these are your two friends tommy and we think ryan you're not too sure you're with them for about an
00:56:36hour and then you left them and then you just wandered around for quite a long time didn't you
00:56:41we see you here at the battered place 9 0 2 pm got you here passing the library 9 17 pm
00:56:49got you here corner of shetley 9 43 pm these are you right all of them yeah yeah good
00:56:59then katie pops up
00:57:03you see we don't see when you spotted her but we do see you following her why were you following her jamie
00:57:12not answer the questions she's walking past the crossing at 4 bridge street at 9 46 pm you can
00:57:22clearly see that here everyone can see that right and at 9 47 pm same place walking in the same direction
00:57:29is you jamie so you were following her i'll ask you again why were you following her did she know that
00:57:36you were following her is there some sort of problem between you two no jamie mate
00:57:44it's not just gonna go away
00:57:49you sure you don't want to tell us what happened you're gonna have to say it sooner or later
00:57:53i don't know i haven't done anything wrong
00:58:01okay i'm now going to play you some footage this is of you and katie from the car park
00:58:10last night where a confrontation happened okay
00:58:23i think that's enough okay
00:58:43that's where we are
00:58:57how did you get home without anyone seeing you jamie
00:58:59you threw away your clothes we didn't see when it happened but we know it happened
00:59:12you kept your trainers too expensive am i right
00:59:22there will be blood on those trainers jamie and with this tape as evidence
00:59:25it's not looking good
00:59:43do you want to give us a reason why
00:59:47hmm why would you do something like this
00:59:50jamie do you want to explain
01:00:02you want to say sorry to katie's mum
01:00:05who i had to talk to just past midnight last night while she was sobbing on the floor because her
01:00:11daughter is gone
01:00:15do you want to say sorry to her
01:00:20do you want to say sorry to her
01:00:27i'm terminating this interview at 7 12 a.m
01:00:31let's go
01:00:42i'll give you two a minute
01:00:50go
01:01:01i'll give you two a minute
01:01:02do you want to be five seconds
01:01:12do you want to go
01:01:13do you want to be five seconds
01:01:14do you want to go
01:01:15What have you done?
01:01:36What have you done?
01:01:41What have you done?
01:01:45What have you done?
01:01:51Why?
01:01:55We're gone.
01:01:59Nothing possible.
01:02:03I'm not going to...
01:02:15It's not...
01:02:20It's like...
01:02:22I love you.
01:02:23Yes, I love you.
01:02:24But what do you think?
01:02:26No...
01:02:29I'm not going to marry you.
01:02:31No, I will not.
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