The Traitors- Uncloaked - Season 4 Episode 02
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00:00This is the Visualized Companion Podcast with me, Ed Gamble.
00:03And before I go any further, there are so many spoilers in this episode that I lost count.
00:07So, make sure you've watched episode 2 of the Traitors on BBC iPlayer before you watch this.
00:13So, what's coming up?
00:15We'll take a deep dive into the secret traitor.
00:17What are the clues? Who are the main suspects?
00:20Judy and Nettie join us to reflect on their time in the castle.
00:23Plus, traitor hunter Joe Marler and faithful Tom and Alex from Series 1
00:28are here to talk secret traitors and bubbling suspicions.
00:36Welcome, welcome to all of you. Alex, Tom, Joe.
00:38Hello.
00:39Hello, Joe.
00:40Hello, Joe. Thanks for having us back.
00:42Of course, you're most welcome. We're very excited to have you here.
00:44We've got to talk about the secret traitor.
00:46Love it.
00:47In this series.
00:48This is mega. It's huge, isn't it?
00:49Oh, it's so cool.
00:51Few levels to the game now.
00:52I feel like I'm back in the game.
00:54Yeah.
00:55And now I've just started making notes.
00:57I saw that.
00:57Now, because of this secret traitor, I can play.
01:02I can actually play.
01:03Rather than just watch it and just watch it, I can actually play now.
01:06So I'm really excited, but also really bemused by it all.
01:10Yeah, it's perplexing for sure.
01:12I mean, we do have some clues, obviously.
01:15And us watching at home, we do get more clues than they do.
01:18We've got the shortlists for a start,
01:20because we know anyone who's been put on the shortlist for murder
01:22is not the secret traitor.
01:25So, so far, we know that James, Ben, Rhys and Maz are faithful.
01:29Can I just corroborate that with my...
01:31Yeah, open your notes.
01:32With my notes.
01:33I've been trying to read his notes,
01:36because he's clearly good at finding...
01:37Yeah, let Joe consult his very small book for such a big man.
01:40So we've got James, Ben, Rhys and Maz.
01:45We know they're faithful.
01:47Faithful.
01:47Hundies.
01:48Hundies.
01:48They're Hundies.
01:49I actually, in my notes,
01:51wrote down that Maz could be the secret traitor,
01:57even though he can't, actually.
01:59He couldn't be.
01:59Yeah, yeah.
02:00That's only because he had red trainers on.
02:02Oh.
02:03I love that we're looking at hair and clothes.
02:05Could be Sam,
02:06because he's got the same amount of letters as red.
02:12In his name.
02:14Is that actually true?
02:15Joe, you have a reputation for being a really good traitor hunter.
02:18Yeah.
02:19I feel like some of this stuff...
02:20Potluck.
02:21...is maybe a little bit spurious, maybe.
02:23Do you?
02:24Well, maybe the Sam Red thing.
02:26Obviously, our shortlist to murder in this episode
02:29is Ben, Rhys and Maz.
02:30Does this shortlist tell us anything, Joe,
02:32about who the secret traitor might be?
02:34Obviously, they seem to think it's a woman
02:36based on the fact that it's three men on the shortlist.
02:37Yeah, I'm inclined to go it's feminine.
02:39Like, there's a lot of male-heavy shortlist on the murder.
02:43I mean, my speculation is that it could be Amanda.
02:46She was an ex-police detective.
02:48If she is a faithful,
02:50in my opinion, I think she's not playing a very good game.
02:52Okay.
02:52Because she's putting herself out there too much
02:54that the other traitors would want to murder her.
02:57Yeah.
02:57But if she is a secret traitor,
02:59then maybe she's actually playing a really good game
03:01because she's putting herself out there so much
03:03that no-one would think that she's the traitor.
03:04So, we do have another pretty big clue, I think.
03:07Let's have a look at the handwriting
03:08on the murder shortlist from the previous episode.
03:11There it is.
03:12We can obviously look at the handwriting
03:14and perhaps compare that to some votes
03:17that have been on the chalkboards at the round table.
03:19It's quite small and neat handwriting.
03:21Yeah, I think it's really quite feminine.
03:23Yeah.
03:24And in my notebook,
03:26I made that Jade, Fiona and Roxy
03:29had quite similar writing.
03:31So, what about you, Tom and Alex?
03:33What does that handwriting tell you?
03:34And remember, there's a potential
03:36that the secret traitor could be disguising
03:38their handwriting at the round table
03:40or, indeed, when they're writing the shortlist.
03:43I would definitely be disguising my handwriting,
03:45for sure.
03:46It's quite old-fashioned writing.
03:48I don't think anyone really writes like that anymore.
03:49Like, you look at the Z,
03:50it's very, I mean,
03:52I haven't seen a Z like that
03:53in a very, very long time.
03:54Yeah.
03:54I like the curve.
03:55It's really good.
03:56It's really good writing.
03:57So, are you thinking older, then?
03:59I would lean towards someone
04:01maybe a bit more mature, yeah.
04:02Yeah.
04:03Who do we think it definitely isn't?
04:05Who are your Hundys, Joe?
04:06I want to say Faraz.
04:08Okay.
04:08I want him to be a Hundy.
04:10Yeah.
04:10Because he just seems like,
04:12oh, I'm having a good time.
04:13Yeah, yeah.
04:15And that would be a mega twist if he's not.
04:17But, yeah, I'm going to stick with it.
04:19Faraz is a Hundy.
04:20Faraz is a Hundy.
04:21Tom?
04:22I think Sam.
04:23Okay.
04:24I think Sam.
04:24He was very loud,
04:26and I was very loud,
04:27and I was not a traitor.
04:29I think it would be crazy to be loud
04:30and traitor-y.
04:34If it is Sam,
04:35he's playing a very risky,
04:36I must say.
04:37A hugely risky game, I would say.
04:39Because he's a real voice at the round table.
04:41Strong.
04:41He's going round,
04:42he's sowing seeds.
04:43No matter what he says,
04:44he was sowing seeds about Judy, I think.
04:46And if you're the secret traitor,
04:47you've got no heat on you.
04:48Yeah.
04:48Just be quiet.
04:49Sit back.
04:50Relax.
04:50Enjoy the game.
04:51What about you, Alex?
04:52I also think Sam is a Hundy,
04:54because he did make a bit of a fool of himself
04:57at the round table.
04:58Yeah.
04:58It was a lot.
04:59And if you were a secret traitor,
05:01and you've got that power,
05:03you would have zero need to do any of that.
05:05Yeah.
05:05And if he was,
05:06then it was a bit foolish.
05:08If you guys were the secret traitor,
05:09how do you think you would have played it?
05:11What do you think, Joe?
05:14Because I have no experience of being a traitor,
05:17I'd go berserk.
05:19I'd just start planting seeds and being like,
05:23right, it's Rachel.
05:25Yeah.
05:25Why?
05:26I just know.
05:27I just reckon so.
05:27I'd just say it all,
05:29to get them all out early doors
05:30and then see what happens.
05:32I'd love to see that.
05:32I'd get a little bit closer to Hugo,
05:35because he's quite a character.
05:37Yeah, yeah.
05:37And I'd have a little bit of fun with him.
05:39Yeah.
05:39Maybe the odd wink and stuff like that.
05:42And then he's gone.
05:43So you'd give yourself away immediately
05:45as the secret traitor to the other traitors
05:47by like winking.
05:48Yeah, yeah.
05:48And finally,
05:49how do we think the traitors are doing so far?
05:51This is the traitors that we know the identity of.
05:54Joe, what do you reckon?
05:55I think Rachel's probably the one
05:59that's thinking more about how to strategize
06:02with the game and that lot.
06:04Hugo's being a bit more of the jolly, friendly,
06:06I'm a faithful,
06:07let's have a good laugh together.
06:09And Stephen, well, he's just immaculate.
06:12Yeah.
06:12Like, can we talk about how incredible he looks?
06:15Yes.
06:15Yeah, he's so cool.
06:16That blue jacket in the first episode.
06:18He looks great.
06:20But it's so nice to see them
06:22under as much pressure as the faithful.
06:24Yeah.
06:25Because they're all scrambling a little bit.
06:27Yeah.
06:28They're doing all right.
06:29Yeah, I'm enjoying them as a crew.
06:32I think they've been very, very well selected.
06:34And like you say, you've got the Immaculate Stephen,
06:36you've got the Savvy Rachel,
06:38and then Hugo is like from a Dickens book.
06:42So we had our first roundtable of the series,
06:46and after coming under a lot of suspicion,
06:48Faithful Judy was voted out.
06:50I'd just like to say,
06:52you've been absolutely amazing.
06:53I've had an absolute blast.
06:57And I'm just me.
06:59I am
07:05a faithful.
07:17Very sad to lose Judy this early.
07:20Yeah.
07:20Quite a character and clearly a lovely person as well.
07:24But obviously,
07:25the secret relationship,
07:26she is Roxy's mum.
07:27Does the secret relationship help in there?
07:30I mean, I'm obviously going to ask you to.
07:31No.
07:32I'm going to jump straight in.
07:33No.
07:33I mean,
07:34I shouted about it,
07:36and we died,
07:37and then obviously,
07:38you keep it...
07:38We've not seen a couple do well yet.
07:41It's incredibly hard when you're in there as a pair.
07:43What do you think would have happened
07:44had you not shouted about it?
07:46Oh, we've been rich right now.
07:47We'd be on holiday.
07:48A great time.
07:50No, I think having a secret relationship
07:53just adds to the stress.
07:55Yeah.
07:55Because you've not only got yourself to worry about,
07:57you're then worrying about that other person,
07:59which presumably you care about that person,
08:01otherwise you wouldn't have brought them in with you.
08:03But the whole time that you were in there with me,
08:06I was thinking,
08:06oh God,
08:07is he going to make it in the next day?
08:08Is he making a fool of himself?
08:09What the hell is he wearing today?
08:11Honestly.
08:12She would do little lines like,
08:13oh, nice shirt,
08:13and in my head,
08:14oh, you bought it for me.
08:14Very good.
08:15Very good.
08:16Like that.
08:16Right, it's almost time to invite
08:18our banished and murdered players into the studio.
08:21But before I chat to them,
08:22here's the moment they both found out
08:24who the traitors are
08:25shortly after leaving the game.
08:29Oh my gosh!
08:31Are you okay?
08:32Oh my gosh!
08:33Oh my gosh!
08:33I'm so rich!
08:34Am I gay?
08:38The fact that I'm seeing you here now,
08:40I feel like I probably did play a part in that.
08:43And I am sorry for that.
08:44That's fine.
08:45It's killing me because I've either got regret in my heart
08:48for putting your name out there,
08:49or I'm going to be really excited.
08:52What are you?
08:53What were you?
08:55Well, to be honest,
08:59I'm...
09:01a faithful!
09:04Oh, Judy!
09:05Do you like that?
09:06I'm so sorry.
09:07I'm so sorry.
09:08It's okay.
09:09I feel like that's on me.
09:11No.
09:11And I'm sorry.
09:12We're in a game.
09:13Who are your definite traitors?
09:15I think one could be Roxy.
09:18Oh, why?
09:19Because she's quite bubbly and out there
09:22and she's too much running around everybody.
09:25Okay.
09:25And lively.
09:27So, yeah, Roxy's one of them.
09:28Mm-hmm.
09:29Two is also Stephen.
09:31Oh.
09:32Because Stephen is, I mean, he's loving,
09:36he's very caring, you can see,
09:37and he always gives you a hug,
09:38makes sure you're all right.
09:39But, you see, for me, I just think
09:42it doesn't seem sincere
09:44when he gives me a hug and things like that.
09:46Okay.
09:48And the third one would be Sam.
09:51Oh!
09:52Because half the time he spends smiling
09:55and very quiet, keeps himself in the background.
09:57Okay.
09:58Trying to be Mr. Smooth.
10:01So, yeah, I think it's Sam.
10:03Okay.
10:04Who do you think the traitors are, Nettie?
10:06Well, like, I do think you are a traitor.
10:09I can't lie.
10:10Okay.
10:10But then having time to reflect.
10:12Yeah.
10:13And you can tell me what you think about this.
10:15Okay.
10:15Rachel.
10:17Well, no, that's not...
10:19Okay.
10:19I don't think that with Rachel
10:21because she tried to out Ross.
10:25She never voted for me.
10:26She voted for Ross.
10:27Okay.
10:28So, she could have jumped on the bandwagon,
10:30but she didn't.
10:31Right.
10:31She'll find out.
10:32Let's go.
10:33Let's do it.
10:33Okay.
10:34Oh, my God.
10:34Oh, God, I feel a bit sick.
10:37I can see who decided to kill me, right?
10:40Right, okay.
10:43Oh!
10:45Right, first traitor name is Hugo.
10:50No way!
10:51Hugo.
10:53Jesus.
10:53He's using his barrister skills very well.
10:56Before I got through the round table,
10:58I was going to pick Hugo.
11:00What made you not?
11:01Sam.
11:02His whisperings.
11:03Yeah.
11:03Right, you ready for the next one?
11:05God.
11:10Rachel.
11:17No!
11:18Rachel.
11:19No!
11:20I'm glad at least I got one right.
11:23Oh, my goodness.
11:24She's playing a good game.
11:25That is very good.
11:27Okay.
11:27Ready for the next one?
11:28Yeah.
11:29You were right.
11:37Who?
11:38Stephen.
11:39I told you.
11:40I told you.
11:41If we'd actually put our heads together,
11:43we would have had, like, two of the three.
11:45I knew that there was something there.
11:48Oh!
11:48I knew.
11:50I'm hoping people have got eyes on him.
11:52On both of them.
11:53I tell you what, I'm not being funny,
11:55but they're all playing a very good game.
11:57Yeah.
11:58Yeah.
11:58Just a minute, Nettie.
12:00There's another one, isn't there?
12:02There is.
12:03What is that one?
12:04Shall we find out?
12:06I don't know if I can check any more.
12:08Go on.
12:09Well, I'm kind of loving this.
12:10Yes, I am as well.
12:12Okay, let's go.
12:12Let's go.
12:13Let's go.
12:15Oh, see, I was thinking about this.
12:19There's a secret relationship.
12:21No.
12:23Judy...
12:24What?
12:27You!
12:29Judy Roxy, a mother and daughter!
12:32What?
12:36Sorry!
12:37Is she adopted?
12:38Yes.
12:39Oh, my God!
12:42That's like half of that.
12:44What's the wedding from that one?
12:48I love that.
12:49So my daughter, I'm thinking, go Roxy, go Roxy.
12:52I love that.
12:53Oh, you must be so proud.
12:54I'm so proud of her.
12:58And Judy and Nettie are with us now.
13:02Welcome to Unclose.
13:04We're obviously very sad to see you go so early,
13:07but we're glad we get to chat with you now.
13:08Yes.
13:09First things first, Judy, in that tape,
13:12you said that you thought your own daughter was a traitor.
13:14Oh!
13:16Is that something you genuinely think,
13:17or were you just keeping up the pretense
13:19as long as you possibly could?
13:21To be fair, we did a mission together,
13:23and she gave me a look, and I thought,
13:25ooh, she must be a traitor,
13:26and she must be saving me.
13:28And that's what I thought.
13:29Oh!
13:30Obviously, not.
13:31Well, she was definitely trying to save you, I think.
13:33She was definitely trying, yeah, she was.
13:35Was that a traitorous thing?
13:36We don't know yet, but potentially.
13:38But I love that you allowed yourself
13:40to suspect your own daughter.
13:41You've got to.
13:42I mean, we've been discussing it already,
13:44but we thought as soon as you went in there,
13:46Roxy was basically treating you openly
13:48like you were her mum anyway.
13:50We saw her going,
13:52the problem is, Judy, you're a very loud lady.
13:54Yes.
13:54A bit forward for a stranger.
13:58I am.
13:59Nettie, your reaction to finding out
14:01that Judy is Roxy's mum was absolutely priceless.
14:04I was shook.
14:05Yeah, talk us through that reaction.
14:06Well, I, so I, of the evening that I did have,
14:09I was sort of putting all these sort of little links together.
14:13She'd obviously said on the train she was adopted,
14:15so I took that on board.
14:18But I'm going down the route of Harriet,
14:20you know, Fiona, anyone else.
14:22Didn't look at this one here.
14:24Yeah.
14:24So that, yeah, that did throw me slightly.
14:27It must have been nice to see Roxy defend you so much,
14:29though, Judy at the round table.
14:31Oh, I was saying, go on, Roxy.
14:33I know what my daughter's like.
14:34Yeah, she's very, she's very out there.
14:36And if she's got something to be in her bonnet,
14:38she will grab onto it and run with it.
14:40Yeah.
14:40So I knew she was sort of trying to stick up for me.
14:42You've only just seen her reaction
14:44after you left the round table.
14:47She was, she was pretty cross with everyone.
14:49Oh, yeah.
14:50That's Roxy to a T.
14:51Yeah.
14:52It looks like she's on a bit of a revenge mission.
14:54Oh, she will be.
14:55Oh, she will be.
14:56I mean, for me, obviously, I came out
14:59and I just thought, go and shine.
15:01Go and be the Roxy I know and love.
15:03Did you at any moment plan to reveal your relationship?
15:06No.
15:06Keep it secret to the end.
15:07Oh, we had a full mission and everything.
15:09Oh, we don't know each other.
15:11And she just kept gravitating to me.
15:13Let's talk about your predictions in that tape
15:15about who the traitors were.
15:16Nettie, what made you suspicious of Rachel?
15:19I didn't get much time to sort of talk with her in the castle,
15:22but do you remember on the night that I was murdered,
15:26she was in the kitchen.
15:27She was very good at kind of just listening to people.
15:29She didn't say too much.
15:31I was going at it with Ross and saying,
15:33you know, all these sorts of things, just watch out.
15:36And, you know, she's just over there in the corner quietly,
15:39soaking it all in.
15:40Yeah.
15:41So I think she maybe used that against me.
15:43Jo, what did we think of their traitors' predictions?
15:45Because there were two out of three between the two of them.
15:47And not bad.
15:49Well, it's spot on, isn't it?
15:50Yeah, we did all right.
15:50It's just a shame that everyone else wanted to get rid of you.
15:54If you stayed in there longer, you'd have hunted them down.
15:57I think we would have had them.
15:58I think we'd have been on it.
16:00But maybe we were the threat that they didn't want in there.
16:02Got a bit scared of us.
16:03Too strong ladies.
16:04I think so.
16:04Uh-huh.
16:05Oh, you're now friends now, isn't it?
16:07She's forgiving me.
16:08Okay, fine.
16:11I think it's fair to say there were some prior relationships in there
16:13for both of you, actually,
16:15but some more unexpected than others.
16:18I know how it looks.
16:20I'll be really honest and say,
16:22when I'd initially come out of the cars,
16:24I was obviously saying hello to everybody.
16:26And I'd initially, honestly, just planned to go
16:28recognise her and not say anything.
16:30But one thing I want to assure you,
16:34I had genuinely no idea.
16:37I'm still sitting on the fence.
16:39I don't necessarily know whether you're traitors or not,
16:42but the connection for me is just a little bit like...
16:45It's a huge coincidence.
16:47Yeah, yeah.
16:48That's fair.
16:48It's just got to be questioned,
16:49but that's just me being honest with you.
16:53Aww.
16:54Judy, that was like the popcorn meme
16:56of just you sitting back with us...
16:59Just enjoying it all unfold.
17:02Nettie, talk us through how you felt
17:03when you saw Russ when you arrived at the castle.
17:05I mean, my mind was blown,
17:07and I think you saw from my reaction...
17:08Yeah.
17:09It was just sheer, what is this?
17:12Yeah.
17:12To the point where I mounted him in excitement.
17:15Wow.
17:16I was not expecting it at all.
17:19Yeah.
17:19In my mind's eye, I've come to this castle,
17:22I'm not going to know anyone,
17:24and then this big beast of a man
17:25that, you know, has got quite a presence.
17:28I'm like, I know you.
17:29Did you recognise him straight away?
17:31Yes.
17:31Albeit, I couldn't remember his name
17:32in the first bit of a second,
17:34because it has been such a long time
17:36since we saw each other.
17:38Yeah.
17:38But, you know,
17:39you're not going to forget that face and body.
17:40Yeah.
17:41Not if that sounds wrong.
17:43It sounds, it sounds.
17:44I don't think it's my last...
17:45Yeah, it sounds exactly how it sounds.
17:46But he's a presence.
17:47He's a presence.
17:48How do you know each other?
17:50Just years and years ago,
17:51we had a mutual friend.
17:52I played basketball,
17:54and he's obviously into fitness,
17:55and it was just sort of
17:56a connection through that.
17:59So, South East London.
18:00But how, what a mad coincidence.
18:02And I just,
18:03I couldn't stop my brain ticking over,
18:04like how,
18:05I just didn't understand.
18:07Yeah.
18:07Was it planned?
18:07Did they know?
18:08Were you secretly gutted, though?
18:10I know you had that moment
18:11where you mounted him,
18:12and you were like,
18:13oh, it's great to see you.
18:15Great to see you, Ryan.
18:17Who are you?
18:19But then were you like,
18:20oh, maybe this is going to work against me.
18:22No, see, I'm not as smart as,
18:24like, he obviously said
18:25he didn't plan to,
18:26and he didn't know
18:27I was going to be there either.
18:28So it was genuine shock
18:30for both of us.
18:31But in my,
18:32I'm an excitable puppy,
18:33so I hadn't sort of thought
18:35a few steps ahead
18:36in terms of,
18:37okay, I can't play into this
18:38because clearly I just reacted.
18:40Well, you can see that
18:41when you see each other,
18:42that he has that split second
18:43of like,
18:45should I say,
18:45should I not?
18:46And by that point,
18:47you're on him.
18:47I didn't give him a chance.
18:48Yeah.
18:48You're absolutely on him.
18:49You have no chance in this.
18:51I wonder what would have happened
18:52if you just,
18:53he turned around and went,
18:53I've no idea.
18:55Who are you?
18:56Sorry.
18:57This is weird.
18:58Did you want to push me away
18:59by the head?
19:01Judy,
19:01did you suspect
19:02anything of their relationship?
19:04How did you feel
19:04when you found out
19:05that they knew each other
19:06in the past?
19:06Well, the first thing you think,
19:07oh, why?
19:08Are they together?
19:09Are they a couple?
19:10Yeah.
19:10Of course you're going
19:10to go down that road.
19:11I mean,
19:12imagine if they were
19:13a secret couple
19:14and then Nettie blew it
19:16that early.
19:17She's like,
19:18I've got it.
19:19I've bloody mounted him now.
19:21There's nothing I can do.
19:22But then if you,
19:26like,
19:26if you had thought that
19:26knowing that you
19:27and Roxy had
19:28your secret relationship,
19:30would you have thought,
19:31you didn't obviously
19:31think any different of it.
19:33Obviously.
19:34Everyone was like,
19:34ooh, ooh, ooh.
19:35So obviously it got people talking,
19:37so there's something else
19:37to talk about.
19:38That's a really good point.
19:39That very much takes
19:39the heat off you
19:40and Roxy initially
19:41that they're all talking
19:42about that relationship
19:43rather than
19:44any potential other ones.
19:46Who made the decision
19:46to go on the show, Judy?
19:47Was it you or Roxy?
19:48Me?
19:49Roxy got me into the game,
19:51obviously, to watch it.
19:53And she says,
19:53there's a great thing on,
19:54you need to watch this mum
19:55and da-da-da-da,
19:56whatever.
19:57And then when it finished,
19:57I thought,
19:58I could do that.
20:00I could do that.
20:01I was going on my own.
20:02And I thought,
20:02you know what?
20:03I rocks.
20:04She lives in Amsterdam,
20:05she's a crewman officer
20:06and I adopted her.
20:08Why not?
20:08So you only adopted her
20:09after you'd applied for Traders?
20:10No.
20:11I need a daughter
20:14to go on Traders with.
20:20So, of course,
20:21the huge thing in this series,
20:23right at the top of the series,
20:25the secret traitor.
20:26Are there any inklings
20:28from you guys
20:28as to who the secret traitor
20:30could be?
20:31Let's start with you, Nettie.
20:32It baffled the hell out of me
20:33because just no expectation.
20:36Obviously, you know
20:36that something's going
20:37to be different.
20:38So even when we're on the train,
20:39we're like,
20:40something's going to happen
20:40and it was all a bit too easy.
20:42So this bombshell was fabulous.
20:44I love it.
20:45I want to think of Fiona
20:46as I watch her
20:48and thinking about
20:50how she was in the castle,
20:51like very bubbly
20:52and sort of silly.
20:54But then watching her
20:55when she's in
20:56sort of the private chats,
20:58she just had this like
20:59air of calm and cool
21:00about her.
21:02So I think
21:02she's got my eye on her.
21:05What about you, Judy?
21:06I think Jade.
21:08Jade could be a good shout
21:09because she's...
21:10She's being a little bit quiet
21:10but she's still involved
21:12in the game.
21:12She can hold her own, Jade.
21:13Yeah.
21:13She can definitely hold her own.
21:14Did you pick up on the hand rising
21:16as well?
21:16Around the round table.
21:17I think Judy had enough
21:18to deal with at the round table.
21:20Judy, Judy.
21:20No, never.
21:21Oh, that was going down.
21:23What's it like in that moment
21:24when you're at the round table
21:25and you can feel
21:27a lot of suspicion
21:28coming at you?
21:28How does that feel?
21:29Well, obviously,
21:30I was warm
21:30because Roxy had said,
21:31Judy,
21:32your name's been out there a lot.
21:33I thought,
21:34oh, is it now?
21:35And obviously,
21:36there's a little bit
21:36where you see me
21:37talk to somebody
21:39in the kitchen.
21:40Yes.
21:40So I was ready.
21:41I thought,
21:42bring it on.
21:42We just had to go with it.
21:43You went down with your head
21:44held high.
21:44I did.
21:44I loved that moment
21:46where you'd got wind of,
21:48who's been saying my name?
21:49And then it was like,
21:51oh, Sam's been saying it a lot.
21:52Like, where is he?
21:53Yeah.
21:54Where is he?
21:54There's no moment
21:56to be like,
21:57oh, I wonder
21:58what's going to happen.
21:59Let's collect ourselves
22:00and see what's going to happen.
22:01It is,
22:02where is he?
22:02Find him now.
22:04Are you avoiding me today, Sam?
22:05No.
22:07Aren't you?
22:09Why?
22:10Why'd you say that?
22:10I've not spoke to you much today.
22:12I thought you were avoiding me.
22:12You were carrying me on the throne.
22:15I don't know.
22:15I think you're avoiding me
22:16for some reason,
22:16but I'm ready for you.
22:18What made you go,
22:19right, I'm just going to go
22:20confront him straight away?
22:22Because that's what kind of person I am.
22:23I can't have anything to fester.
22:25I have to confront it,
22:26say it,
22:27get it off my chest.
22:28Was it awkward,
22:29the fact that you were sat
22:30next to each other
22:31at the round table?
22:32Yeah, that was so good.
22:33I've ever seen someone so loud
22:34go so quiet so quickly
22:35and then have to sit next to that person.
22:37Because he's playing
22:38a completely different game of traitors
22:40to the one you were playing.
22:42Because he was not expecting
22:44anyone to call him out on it.
22:45He was like,
22:45well, that'll come up
22:46at the round table,
22:47but this game's all about subterfuge.
22:48It's about being quiet.
22:50It's about not revealing
22:51your true intentions.
22:52Next thing you know,
22:52kitchen door flies off the floor.
22:54In comes Judy.
22:56You've been avoiding me today.
22:59I can't believe I said that.
23:00Oh, it's great.
23:01It's so good.
23:02So good.
23:03Tom and Alex,
23:04how do you think
23:05Roxy should play the game
23:06now that Judy's out?
23:08Do you think
23:08keep the relationship
23:09absolutely quiet?
23:10Put it in the bin.
23:11Act like it never existed.
23:13Yeah.
23:13There's literally
23:14zero reason
23:16or benefit to her
23:17to mention it.
23:18I think she should get
23:19the revenge mission done.
23:20Yes.
23:21Yeah, just for a month.
23:23Get Sam gone
23:23and then just forget about it.
23:25Yeah.
23:26Like withdraw,
23:26just so that you still love her.
23:28And she probably will.
23:29You don't want your mum
23:30on holiday with you
23:31for the whole thing anyway,
23:32do you?
23:32No.
23:33No, not at all.
23:35I feel like you wouldn't
23:35cramp her style.
23:36I feel like...
23:37I'm not that kind of...
23:38Yeah, we've got
23:39a great relationship
23:39and she can hold her own.
23:41Yeah.
23:42I don't need to hold her hand.
23:43I like the way
23:43how much you defended yourself.
23:45I would love to have seen you
23:46if someone was accusing
23:47Roxy in front of you.
23:48Oh, yeah.
23:48That would have been great.
23:49Yeah, how would that
23:50have gone down?
23:50There's not enough words
23:51on you.
23:54Before we go,
23:55Joe, I think we have to
23:55talk about your trainers
23:56because they're
23:57absolutely incredible.
23:58Thanks.
23:58Yours are nice too.
23:59Thank you so much.
24:00But mine aren't
24:00sort of custom
24:01traitors trainers.
24:03Yes.
24:03The celebrity trainers,
24:04of course.
24:05Yeah, I've got these done.
24:07They're amazing.
24:07Yeah, I did send it
24:09to the rest of the cast
24:10to get their thoughts
24:12and they were
24:13fucking livid.
24:14Sorry.
24:15Sorry.
24:16They were livid.
24:18They were like,
24:18what have you done
24:19to our faces?
24:20I was like, well,
24:21it was based around
24:23the laser mission
24:25that we had.
24:26Yes.
24:26Where the, you know,
24:27heads that we had
24:28made of us
24:29were slightly suspect as well.
24:31They're really cool.
24:32I thought they're nice
24:33and, you know,
24:34this is the opportunity
24:35to wear them.
24:36Yeah, they're perfect.
24:37I love them.
24:38The chat continues
24:39over on BBC Sounds
24:40where Joe, Tom,
24:41Alex, Nettie and Judy
24:42will be sticking around
24:43to do a tactical deep dive
24:45on the series so far
24:46and we'll also be discussing
24:47post-traitor's life.
24:49It's all in your bonus episode
24:50of Uncloaked
24:51which you can listen to
24:52right now.
24:53It's quite simple, really.
24:54All you need to do
24:54is scan the QR code
24:56on the screen
24:56or search for us
24:57on your BBC Sounds app.
24:59We'll be back tomorrow night
25:00where I'll be joined
25:01by celebrity traitor
25:02Kat Burns
25:03and faithful-turned traitor
25:04from Series 3 Charlotte
25:06for more fun
25:07and treachery
25:07on BBC One.
25:08A huge thanks to Joe,
25:10Tom, Alex, Judy
25:10and Nettie
25:11for joining me.
25:12I'm Ed Gamble.
25:13Stay faithful.
25:14Woo-hoo!
25:19Yes, Uncloaked is back here
25:20on BBC One
25:21tomorrow night
25:22at nine.
25:23A brand new series
25:24on the way.
25:25Amanda and Alan
25:26are rolling up their sleeves
25:27with a new renovation.
25:28Let's get ourselves
25:29some winter sun.
25:30Their Greek job is next.
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