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After China announced an export ban on dual-use technology to Japan — goods with both civilian and military applications — Tokyo called the move unfair and a "deviation" from international norms. TaiwanPlus spoke to Stephen Nagy from the International Christian University to find out more.

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00:00Tokyo has denounced a Chinese expert ban on dual-use goods to Japan.
00:08This latest measure, which targets only our country, deviates significantly from international norms,
00:14is absolutely unacceptable and extremely regrettable.
00:17The Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry,
00:21and our embassy in China have lodged a formal protest of the Chinese side,
00:25strongly objecting to the measure and demanding its withdrawal.
00:28China's Commerce Ministry announced a ban on Tuesday.
00:33Dual-use goods are products or technology with both civilian and military uses,
00:37such as drones, sensors or encryption software.
00:40But Beijing has then specified what items would be banned.
00:44The move comes after months of tensions between China and Japan,
00:48after Japanese Prime Minister Takeuchi Sanae suggested a Chinese attack on Taiwan
00:52could trigger a military response from Tokyo.
00:55For more on Beijing's dual-use export ban,
01:00our reporter Liri Isiano spoke with Professor Stephen Nagy
01:03of the International Christian University in Tokyo.
01:07He's also the Senior Fellow and China Project Lead at the MacDonald Laurier Institute.
01:13Can you briefly describe what these export controls are seeking to achieve
01:16and why China has decided to implement them?
01:18How related are they to what Takeuchi Sanae said in November
01:22about Japan involving itself in a Taiwan crisis?
01:26China sees Japan very much as the leading middle power,
01:31that if it's successful in talking about Taiwan publicly in the way that Takeuchi did,
01:38other middle powers, whether it's Canada or Australia, India,
01:42may also start to talk about Taiwan in much more explicit ways.
01:47And China would like to prevent this.
01:50If they can crush Japan's attempts to talk about Taiwan
01:54and what a Taiwan security issue would mean for Japan,
01:58that they're going to do this to all other countries.
02:00So it's a strong message to all middle powers that it's our side, it's us or them.
02:09Do you think that these export controls are more for the headlines
02:12and for the performance to demonstrate that China is taking this matter very seriously
02:15with regards to Japan?
02:16Or do you think they actually will have significant impacts
02:19on the Japanese economy, industry, businesses in particular, sectors in particular?
02:24Japan is a bit of a canary in the coal mine
02:26in terms of managing the risk associated with China.
02:29It's the most deeply engaged country
02:31and it's experienced most of the economic coercion dating back to the mid-90s.
02:38So its companies have really already shifted
02:40and made some of the adjustments to deal with this kind of economic coercion.
02:45And what we've seen is that companies are now making in China for Chinese,
02:50by Chinese, with Japanese technology.
02:53So if there is some kind of domestic pressure,
02:56it's only going to hurt Chinese consumers.
02:58And then they shifted a lot of their production to Southeast Asia and India
03:01for global export.
03:03And those are seen as more reliable.
03:06We should remember though, and we should watch the trends right now,
03:08that Japanese businesses are leaving China.
03:12If one business leaves, all of them have to leave because they complement each other.
03:16So what we're seeing, again, in response to the expert controls
03:21and other pressure from China on Japanese businesses domestically
03:24is that they are packing up and leaving and the other companies are leaving.
03:29And what this does to the Chinese economy is it affects the 6 million
03:32or 7 million Chinese citizens that won't have jobs when Japanese leave.
03:36What is the role of the U.S. in this ongoing diplomatic row that is now turning into an economic one?
03:41We know that Trump plans on meeting Xi Jinping in April.
03:44We know that Japan is pushing for a meeting between him and Senai before that.
03:48It has tested, I think, the U.S.-Japan alliance,
03:51as well as the, I think, the faith that many countries have in the United States
03:56in intervening in the region.
03:57There is an expectation that President Trump will visit Beijing
04:01and that there will be some kind of economic deal.
04:05For Prime Minister Takechi, she wants to meet Mr. Trump.
04:08She wants to put on the table the challenges in the region
04:10and re-emphasize that in order to deal with those challenges and make America great,
04:16Japan is that key partner.
04:19And without Japan, Takechi is going to tell the story
04:23that Mr. Trump will not be able to make America great.
04:26And I think in many areas she's correct in terms of diplomatic engagement
04:32with China and Southeast Asia and India.
04:35There's no better partner than Japan because of its geographic proximity,
04:40its understanding of the region and strong relations with Southeast Asia and India
04:44and very nuanced relations with China.
04:48And if the United States is interested in a trade deal
04:50or if it's interested in constraining China,
04:53it absolutely needs Japan as a close partner.
04:58That was Professor Steven Nagy from the International Christian University.
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