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00:00I think we're all intrigued with haunted houses, even though most of us wouldn't choose to go
00:23within a mile of one. I wouldn't anyway. I'm a scaredy cat. Today's guest, Christopher Leprath,
00:28had no choice. His family moved into a haunted house when he was just six years old,
00:33which changed the trajectory of his life. And I'm so glad because it puts us with you here today.
00:38I'm so happy to meet you, and so is everyone. I mean, you've been doing readings behind the
00:42scenes, and you've got everyone all jacked up into this super high energy. So, welcome.
00:48We all feel like we've had espresso.
00:50It's been wonderful. Really fantastic to be here with all of you.
00:54Yeah. I've seen you on some other shows as well, and, you know, listen to a bit of your story.
00:58But I've got to say, reading your book is what really did it for me. Now, you wrote it a number
01:04of years ago, but you're looking at maybe turning it into a movie at this point in time, which it's so
01:10right for that. So, it's called Trestle Creek, Things the Dead Fear. We're going to get into
01:17why that title. But first of all, to me, it's like Tom Sawyer meets The Conjuring.
01:23You and this little band of kids out in the forest. We'll get into all of it. But first
01:31of all, I mean, just such a visceral story about a life most of us only see in movies or read
01:37about in novels. So, first of all, let's start out with your background as a little kid and
01:43how you and your glamorous mother and troubled father and siblings ended up in a haunted house.
01:50Well, we lived in town, and it was in northern Idaho, a little town called Sandpoint, Idaho.
01:56And we had a beautiful house on the lake. And then my mother owned pretty much the only beauty
02:04salon in town. So, her really business depended on what other people thought and how...
02:12Well, that's the center of everything, pretty much.
02:15Gossip, the whole bit. So, my father was extremely abusive. So, when he would chase us down the
02:23street with axes or shotguns, she was really concerned about what the neighbors would think.
02:28You think? She was trying to put a good front on for the ladies.
02:34Exactly. Exactly. So, she wanted a house outside of town with no neighbors, which she should have
02:44actually been a Stephen King writer because she moved us into this house because of my dad's violent
02:51behavior. It was like the convergence of a perfect, energetic, spiritual storm. And so, it just escalated
02:59things over a period of time.
03:03Well, yeah. Okay. So, we'll get into that. So, now you're six. Now, at this time in your life,
03:09were you already capable of seeing things other people weren't seeing?
03:13Yes. Absolutely. And so, I look back on that now, and it was actually kind of an orchestrated gift,
03:20even though it was really horrible. But I can look back on it now and go, oh, this is where the
03:26revealing of what I'm really good at and where I can help other people, there was tremendous growth
03:32from that. So, that... I look back on it now and go, oh, this really makes a lot of sense.
03:38When we moved into this house, there was pounding on the door. There was the house shaking. It was
03:45like it was going to collapse. There was windows rattling. There was, it sounded like a herd of
03:50horses in the basement. There were footsteps, you know, I mean, on and on and on.
03:57And they, my mom had no place, we had no place to put it. Like, I don't know what to do with it.
04:03So, but when I started to see, when I told them, hey, this is what's happening, they're like,
04:09it's your imagination.
04:10Right. You're six.
04:11Still play.
04:11Yeah.
04:12It's your imagination.
04:13Yeah.
04:13And I'm like, and I look back and I go, what? You know?
04:17Yeah.
04:18But it's, it's the, it's that cognitive dissonance that shuts down higher reasoning.
04:22When people don't know what's happening or they can't define it, it locks them up.
04:30Trestle Creek is the place in Idaho that the house was. But things that dead fear is just getting stuck.
04:37Like my mother was stuck and what it took for her to come around.
04:45Yeah. And I want to get into that story because, you know, here she was, she was a vivacious person,
04:50it sounds like. I mean, she's wonderful. Your book's so well written.
04:54And I remember so much of it viscerally, you know, like I was in the beauty shop when some
04:59of these things happened. Right. And so she's this, this very lively character who is really
05:04also trying to protect the kids from your father. Now let's get into your father,
05:10his history, what happened with him? Because there's some, a little bit of mystical stuff
05:15with an Iowa UFO hovering overhead, but also his grandfather's father and himself. And he was
05:22German, right? Correct.
05:24Yeah. So let's talk about his background and how he became so possessed. Well, drinking will do it,
05:30but yeah. It's one of the things that I occasionally come up when I, when I sit down with people and I
05:37have a session with him is lineage, DNA, family. And back in the 1890s, it's been a story in our family
05:50where my family were from Germany on my dad's side, they were farmers, but they had ships. They tell
05:58stories of ships hovering over them. So it's always made me curious, right? Because it's been a very,
06:05very violent, low vibration. And then in the family, and the book talks about this, is a book in old German.
06:17There was a book of spells and sorcery that was always handed down to the youngest son. And of course,
06:24my dad was the youngest son. He had the book. I was the youngest son. I was going to inherit it.
06:32And it was a curse. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So it had this, it had this book of spells and sorcery.
06:43It was, but we were talking earlier and with something like that, you don't hand a rifle,
06:50you don't hand a handgun to a three-year-old. You just don't, right? Something bad is going to happen.
06:58And this higher knowledge or this specialized knowledge is not good in the hands of someone
07:06who is not spiritually developed. And my dad was absolutely one of those people.
07:10Mm-hmm. And so his father had had it prior to him?
07:14His father had had it. Yeah. Okay.
07:16His father before that had had it. Yeah. And each of them had a problem with alcohol.
07:21They each had had these instances where they were dealing with unidentified flying objects hovering overhead.
07:28Mm-hmm. And so in your father's case, he was a man, he had, it sounds like he had a really hard time
07:33kind of keeping work going in his life. Yeah.
07:36And he would go on real rages of alcoholism. Right.
07:40And then come after your mom. Right.
07:43So what was their relationship like? And what did you witness as a little kid? And how did you handle it?
07:47And at what point, I'm asking a lot of things in once, did you start noticing the entities
07:51that were associated with your father? Well, just the fact that when my father would become enraged,
07:58his face would change. Mm-hmm.
08:02That was a little bit of a clue. Mm-hmm.
08:05And then the things that I was seeing in the house, I began to put together. We talk about sea life.
08:12We talk about animal life. Mm-hmm.
08:14Well, there's spirit life. There are these entities and there's all types of these entities.
08:22And this part of it were these entities that followed my family.
08:26Mm-hmm.
08:27And affected their behavior.
08:29Mm-hmm.
08:31So my mother was in so much fear.
08:34Well, he was violent.
08:36Yeah. He was violent.
08:37And he was violent with you guys, too, as I recall.
08:40I mean, the kid, not just your mom, but the kids, everybody was terrified.
08:43He'd come home and it was just like a reign of terror began when he'd walk through the door.
08:47Well, the house took offense at this, right?
08:50Yeah.
08:50So let's talk about how the house responded to your dad.
08:54Well, it would just like that combination of a perfect storm where there was these energies
09:00would meet and it would begin to just escalate.
09:03Mm-hmm.
09:04And that's where, fortunately for me, I was able to get out into nature.
09:11Mm-hmm.
09:12Nature is an open system.
09:14Right.
09:14It bends, it grows, it adapts, it flourishes.
09:18That's a lot of what saved me was that the woods around Trestle Creek and the creek itself was really magical.
09:27Yeah. When you write about it, like I said, it's very Tom Sawyer-ish. It's very organic
09:32and natural and these little gang of kids. And so you would escape from it by going,
09:37as you said, to the creek and to the woods. And you encountered some neighbor kids.
09:41And I can't remember their names right offhand.
09:43Brad and Shelley.
09:43And weren't they even your age or a little younger?
09:46Right.
09:47Yeah. One was younger, one was a year older.
09:49Yeah.
09:49We were all the same age.
09:50Yeah, like seven and five, you know.
09:51Right.
09:52But these people had wisdom.
09:53Mm-hmm.
09:54They had gathered wisdom from their parents. And I was reading about the parents and I thought,
10:01I have to ask you, was this your six-year-old imagination? Or was it really the pairing of a
10:06giant and a little person known as midgets at the time?
10:10Right. No, the father was probably seven foot. And the mother was three foot.
10:16You said it was about the size of you little kids.
10:20Yeah.
10:20She was about the size of you little kids.
10:21She was about the size of us, yeah.
10:22I mean, it was, yeah, it was kind of hard to fathom.
10:25Yeah. But you know, the thing is, Heisenberg, the founder of quantum physics,
10:33the universe is stranger than we can think.
10:36Yes, yes.
10:37It's like, you cannot think, you cannot. And that's why I love doing what I do.
10:42Yeah.
10:43Because I've had this perspective on life that I began to realize, oh,
10:50people don't think like I do.
10:52Right.
10:52People don't see what I see.
10:53Definitely.
10:54Oh, that's okay. That's okay, right?
10:56Yeah.
10:57Well, okay, so you're out playing in the woods with these little kids. And part of what really was
11:01empowering to you was their knowledge, which they must have gained from their parents,
11:05which was the knowledge of the spirit of the animal kingdom.
11:09Mm-hmm.
11:09And so when a snake would come, the little girl younger than you, she knew what a snake meant,
11:14and why it was there for you, or a bear. Tell us just a little bit about that. I mean, they became,
11:21I think, almost kind of like little mentors to you.
11:24Yeah. Yeah, they were very magical.
11:25So my mom asked me to take the garbage out. Well, at that time, we had an old creek bed about 500
11:36feet from the house that we'd go throw a trash in. We threw the trash in one day with Brad and
11:42Shelly were with me, the three of us. We're laughing and playing and goofing off as kids do. Throw the
11:46garbage in the creek bed. This bear comes up. And I, of course, freak out. And they're just laughing
11:54and laughing, right? And I go hiding in an outhouse. And they're like, come chasing after me. And they're
12:00like, that's just an old bar. And Brad, who's five, he goes to Shelly, he says, he's got the talk.
12:09I got chills telling this story. And Shelly goes, yeah, he got the talk. And I go, what's the talk?
12:19And she said, well, bears hibernate. They hide for winter. And they commune with spirit for all those
12:28months that they're in hibernation. And you have that talk. And I went, okay.
12:37But it was, it was one of the matches that was added to the pile that struck later on when they
12:46all ignited. And everything all came together. You were hearing all these messages from different
12:50sources. Now, at the same time, so you would run and hide as often as you needed to when your dad
12:56came home. I mean, the story of the end of that was pretty crazy. So your dad was haunted. He had
13:03horrible entities that he was dealing with as probably his father and father before him.
13:09And you said that your maternal grandmother had jumped in and she'd broken the seal on this book
13:16of secrets and spells. Okay. What is that? What did that release?
13:22Well, it not so much release as it, is it took a lot of the power away. And there was a lot of
13:30anger around that power being taken away from your father, from my father, but also from the book and
13:39the things that were attached to the book, they were broken. There was, there was not so much power
13:46that they had at that time. Yeah. So the, the, once the seal was broken,
13:50a lot of the power leaked out. Right.
13:52Okay. So your dad was angry about this.
13:54Mm-hmm. So ultimately after just so much torture and such, and you got, you were,
13:59your mom was just barely trying to keep it together and strange things happened. Strange
14:05things happened in her beauty salon.
14:07Bats flying through a look. Some of those, you have to read the book. I mean, it's just,
14:11some of the stories are absolutely fabulous, but your mom was a survivor and your dad ultimately,
14:17it seems like she left him and he died shortly thereafter. He was really leaving off her energy,
14:25but interestingly, the house knew, the house knew what was going on. And they responded,
14:30the house responded very differently when your father came in, as you said, shaking and you guys
14:34were just huddled together and didn't know what to make of what was going on. But when your mom said,
14:39hey, stop it. Stop it. The house stopped.
14:41Right.
14:42It totally, the entities in the house, in the house itself listened to your mother.
14:46Yeah. Yeah.
14:47You know, because they knew her heart was right. She was trying to do the right thing.
14:50The thing about your dad's death was freaky though. Tell us a little bit about it,
14:53because I almost saw it like out of a sci-fi movie, almost being gobbled up by spirits and twisted.
15:01Well, he died, he died really alone and they never did find the book.
15:04Ah.
15:06They never did. The book disappeared. So, my take on that is,
15:12whoever really wanted that book got the book.
15:14Okay. Yeah.
15:15Which is fine.
15:16Yeah, yeah. You don't need the book.
15:18Out of sight?
15:19Yeah, you don't need the book.
15:20No.
15:20So meanwhile, your parents are starting to notice you're different.
15:23Mm-hmm.
15:24You're driving out from the house along the road and you're waving at the neighbors
15:28and they're like, who are you waving at?
15:29Yeah.
15:29It's like, the neighbors.
15:33There are no neighbors.
15:34Hi.
15:36Yeah.
15:37It was just, it was just being able to see.
15:41And then I would go to school.
15:42Yeah.
15:43You know, first, second, third, whatever grade.
15:45And I would tell kids these stories.
15:48Right.
15:48And to this day, that house is really famous in that area because everybody knows it. Because
15:55then the kids went and told their parents, the parents went and told the teachers, you've got
16:00to do something. I mean, that was, it was years before counseling or psychiatrists or whatever.
16:07And teachers were like, okay, you've got to, you've got to not do that. You've got to not
16:12tell kids at school.
16:13Stop telling them these things.
16:14Yeah. They're scared to death.
16:15Mm-hmm.
16:15Right. And no wonder I didn't ever have any sleepovers. Nobody wanted to come stay.
16:19Nobody wanted to stay there.
16:21Yeah. After those stories.
16:23So you ultimately ran into, and I don't remember who introduced you, but religion.
16:32At some point, some people found you and, you know, you thought, wow, this sounds soothing
16:36and comforting. It has a little structure. My life sure doesn't. So you ended up in a,
16:41we won't name the religion, but people can probably figure it out, super, super strict
16:46faith that demands full fealty or you're kicked out and you're abandoned and so forth.
16:51So you became part of that. And actually you ended up as a missionary, right?
16:55Mm-hmm.
16:56In China.
16:57Mm-hmm.
16:58So tell us a little bit about those years. I mean, I was trying to imagine you trying to convert
17:04the local population to Christianity.
17:07Yeah.
17:08It just did not seem like a good fit at all.
17:10No.
17:10Yeah. But I, but I could be the number one world coach in the exercise of futility.
17:17Yes, I believe that.
17:19I could, I was like, uh, this is a total exercise in futility to, at my time of thinking
17:25was to convert the pagan Buddhists.
17:27Yeah, exactly.
17:28I'm like, what, what, what was I thinking? Right. But for me at the time, I need, like I
17:36wanted an explanation.
17:37Yeah.
17:38And so when the religion came in, it's very black and white.
17:42Yeah.
17:42Yeah.
17:43Right. Evil, devil, good God. Evil, devil, good God. Oh, okay.
17:48Choose your side.
17:49Evil, devil, good God. Evil, devil, yeah, good God.
17:51Mm-hmm.
17:51Yeah. And it, and it was a cult.
17:54Yes.
17:54It was absolutely a cult.
17:55Yeah, it's a cult.
17:56And, uh, into like breaking these constructs.
18:01Yeah.
18:02That's my passion.
18:03I love, I love when people have, give me permission to go, okay, what's the construct here?
18:12And I can go, well, I'm speaking from experience.
18:15I understand.
18:15And it may not always be religion.
18:17Right.
18:17It could be family.
18:18Right.
18:18It could be society.
18:19It could be the raising.
18:20Right.
18:21It could be previous lives.
18:22It could be what's on them, what they've encountered.
18:26Do you know what I mean?
18:26Yeah, the constructs you've created.
18:28Yeah.
18:28Your belief systems.
18:29Yeah.
18:30And even, even outside influences.
18:32Yeah.
18:33You know, there were huge, huge things that happened within that religion that were,
18:39in the long run, beneficial.
18:40Because now I can look back on it and go, whew.
18:44Yeah.
18:44I made it out of that.
18:46But tell us a little bit about what, did you speak Chinese?
18:49Mm-hmm.
18:49Mandarin.
18:50You spoke Mandarin.
18:51Mm-hmm.
18:51So you're, how'd you go about trying to convert the local Buddhists to Christianity?
18:56I think it's so funny.
19:00They have this nice, peaceful faith that works pretty well for them, you know,
19:04that doesn't have all those attachments and hard lines, and you're going to bring them to God.
19:10You know, Regina, it was an impossible task.
19:14It was, it was like pushing the mountain.
19:18If you ever want to think about pushing a mountain, that's what it was like.
19:20So give us just, I just want to know just one tiny little sampling of
19:24how a little gathering might have gone, what you might have said,
19:28and how they might have responded to you.
19:30Did you meet one person at a time and try to convert them, or did you have little groups, or...?
19:34No, no.
19:37We were very limited in the language when we first got there.
19:39Yeah.
19:39Right.
19:40So we were Megwaran, we were Americans.
19:44They called us Megwaran.
19:45And we'd go into their houses, and it was like a real privilege for them to have an American,
19:50right?
19:50Sure.
19:51And we would take our shoes off, go sit at the table, and I remember this one woman,
19:58she couldn't speak any English, other than she would turn to my wife and go,
20:04your husband very handsome tonight.
20:08It's the only thing she could say.
20:09So the whole meal was, your husband very handsome tonight.
20:13And my wife would go, thank you.
20:14And you're trying to preach the Word of God.
20:16Yeah, yeah.
20:17Like, I...
20:19I think it was kind of going...
20:20Bible, Bible.
20:21And she's like, yeah, exactly.
20:23Your husband handsome.
20:25I can see it.
20:30This sounds perfect.
20:30That's why I just wanted a little flavor of it,
20:32because that's kind of how I imagined it.
20:34You couldn't have been on different planets.
20:35Right.
20:36So this lasted, how many?
20:37A couple years, or a few years?
20:38Yeah, three or four years.
20:40Three or four years.
20:40Okay, so you beat your head against the wall.
20:42Exactly.
20:42You came home.
20:44Ultimately, things were not going right, and you were starting to really feel,
20:48this is very restrictive.
20:50This is not taking me where I want to go.
20:52And then enters the mysterious barb.
20:55Barb.
20:56Okay, so barb enters your life.
20:59And you're knowing you want to get out of this, but your wife doesn't want to get out.
21:03Right?
21:04Right.
21:05And the thing is, with this religion, that's your family.
21:08Those are the only people you know, and when you're out, you're cast out.
21:11You have no one.
21:11Right.
21:12You know, everyone turns their back on you.
21:14So it's quite a big deal.
21:16So, what happened?
21:18Well, it's like we were talking earlier, people would rather die than be abandoned.
21:22People fear abandonment more than they do death.
21:25So a lot of religions use abandonment.
21:29And when I met Barb, it was through, we were invited to a gathering, and I talk about this in
21:36the book, she opened the door, and I said to her, in no uncertain terms,
21:45who the H are you?
21:48And she starts laughing.
21:51And I said, what are you?
21:55What are you?
21:56I saw, I perceived something that I hadn't perceived for 30 years since I was a kid.
22:01But I didn't know what I was perceiving.
22:05And she kind of laughed, and she goes, I go, are you an angel?
22:09Are you, tell me, are you an angel?
22:12And she's like, no, I'm an alien.
22:16And I freaked out, Regina.
22:17I was like, and I started to back away.
22:20I was running for the car, and she, she's like, no, no, no, no.
22:23I mean, I'm from Canada.
22:24She knew how to jerk your chain.
22:28Yeah, right.
22:30So anyway, she had worked a lot with brain science,
22:32but she'd also worked with the teacher of the Dalai Lama and the Karmapa.
22:38So she had very special skills she was born with,
22:42most likely in that tradition for many lifetimes.
22:44Many lifetimes, right.
22:46So she was very adept at breaking these belief systems and constructs,
22:51because I wanted out.
22:52My son was a small child.
22:55I didn't know how to break out of this construct.
22:58I did not know.
22:59And there are millions and millions of people that have these constructs,
23:03and they don't know how to break out of it either.
23:05Like, they don't know how.
23:07And it's like they become puppets,
23:11where they're just repeating things over and over and over again,
23:13because they don't know anything better.
23:16And so being able to work with her for all these 30 years has been amazing.
23:21And now you guys are dear friends.
23:22Your senses are full blown.
23:24You're doing your thing.
23:25She's doing hers.
23:26You check in with each other.
23:27Yeah.
23:28Yeah.
23:28It turned into a really beautiful relationship.
23:30But in the beginning, you were quite scared,
23:32because you had to kind of close your eyes and let go and breathe.
23:35And all of the past came back.
23:37All the trauma came back.
23:38Everything.
23:39And that's what she sounds like.
23:41She really helped you through initially.
23:42Yeah.
23:43Yeah.
23:43Yeah.
23:44Yeah.
23:44It was very miraculous that I did actually live through all that trauma.
23:48We can laugh about it now.
23:49Yeah.
23:49Because I know everyone's had some trauma.
23:52Yeah.
23:53And usually not that level, though.
23:55That's pretty bad.
23:57But that's what I'm grateful for.
23:58And that's the skills that I've been able to hone,
24:02but also with my own brain.
24:04I mean, one of the major turning points in my life, well, one of the major,
24:10I went to dinner with one of my really close friends.
24:14And we'd known each other for 20 years.
24:17But when I sat down across from him,
24:20the left side of his head was all bashed in,
24:21and there was blood everywhere.
24:23And I'm like, what?
24:25And I had this look of horror on my face.
24:27And he goes, what's wrong?
24:28I go, why is the left side of your head bashed in?
24:31And there was blood everywhere.
24:33And he goes, how do you know about that?
24:35And I've never told anybody about that.
24:37Only my family knows about that.
24:39Well, back in the 70s,
24:41he and this girl were walking through Papago Park in Phoenix.
24:44They got mugged by three men.
24:47And he had his left side of his head bashed in.
24:52So then he had a lot of trauma.
24:55And one of my clients was a neuroscientist.
24:58So I sent him to this neuroscientist.
25:00And I thought, you know,
25:04I better go to that neuroscientist.
25:06I want to see what's going on with my brain.
25:08I want to know,
25:09now that science has developed over these 50 years,
25:12I want to see what they know.
25:13Mm-hmm.
25:14And that's when,
25:16when I had all the tests done,
25:19I came back out to get the results.
25:21And the neuroscientist said,
25:22okay, be honest with me.
25:24I went, okay.
25:25He goes, how much LSD do you take every day?
25:28I went, what?
25:29Not just have you take it, but every day.
25:30Every day.
25:31I go, what?
25:32Why would you ask me that?
25:34I go, I can barely have a,
25:36I have a glass of wine.
25:37And he said, why would you ask?
25:39I said, what?
25:41And he says, well,
25:42he said, your brain is firing like it's on LSD.
25:46And what is the characteristic of that?
25:48Because they also did tests on your son.
25:50Mm-hmm.
25:51Mm-hmm.
25:51So, neurons, the way he explained it to me,
25:56I'm no neuroscientist, okay?
25:58But the way he explained it to me is,
26:01neurons fire mainly in the brain one direction.
26:03When people are in LSD,
26:06it fires both directions, these neurons.
26:09They don't understand it.
26:10Which is why the trips.
26:12Trips.
26:13So, I realized my whole life,
26:17I've been on a trip, because I can control it.
26:19But he goes, what's interesting about you
26:21is your neurons fire both directions,
26:24like you're in LSD all the time,
26:26but you control it.
26:27Mm-hmm.
26:28Like, we were sitting here earlier,
26:30and one of the crewmen came up,
26:32and I'm like, I could feel myself
26:35slip into this LSD brain.
26:36Yeah.
26:37And one of the women said,
26:39don't you love that look on his face?
26:41And I went, I'm not even aware
26:42that I have a look on my face
26:43when I'm doing this, like this session.
26:45And it just pops in when I see things.
26:48Which is all day long, every day,
26:49when you encounter people.
26:50Right.
26:51So, for people who've done LSD,
26:54and you're here, the colors are beautiful,
26:56you're flying around seeing things
26:57you wouldn't ordinarily see,
26:59perceiving things differently,
27:00it's a dysfunctional state for most people.
27:02It's not one you want to go out and drive a car
27:04and, you know, live that way.
27:06First, the two questions.
27:07Number one, because you can control it,
27:11you can have a functional life.
27:12Mm-hmm.
27:13Number two, are most people in your,
27:17just in your opinion, because you don't know,
27:19I know you don't have the data,
27:20but that are able to see into other dimensions
27:23in the way you do, do they have similar wiring
27:26or is yours a different kind of wiring?
27:28And if so, what is the purpose of it?
27:30Well, the neuroscientist told me, he goes,
27:34your brain, everyone's brain is like a fingerprint.
27:36Mm-hmm.
27:37No two fingerprints are alike, no two brains are alike.
27:40Mm-hmm.
27:42So there are people that, well, when you and I've talked,
27:45you have abilities.
27:46Yeah.
27:47You know, and some of them are very similar,
27:50but at the same time, if you and I were to take
27:52a fingerprint test,
27:54Mm-hmm.
27:55it would be a little different.
27:56Mm-hmm.
27:56Right?
27:57Yeah.
27:57I don't feel like I'm on acid all the time,
27:59but I can use those abilities when I need to.
28:01Yeah.
28:02It's like incredible.
28:02But I have nothing to relate that to.
28:04Yeah.
28:04Like I have nothing to relate that to.
28:05So if you live in China, if you were born in China,
28:09speaking Chinese is easy.
28:10Yeah.
28:11If you move there and try to learn it,
28:12mm, a little difficult, right?
28:14Yeah, yeah.
28:15So that's kind of the way it is.
28:17So you don't know the difference,
28:18it's just the way you're wired.
28:19And so that leaves you kind of, as I've seen you,
28:22and as everyone in the studio has seen you,
28:23you're just kind of wide open,
28:25and I see that your eyes are looking at people a lot.
28:28You're staring at people a lot.
28:30So what you're actually seeing is something far beyond
28:33just what your normal eyes would take in
28:35on a third dimensional level.
28:36Yeah.
28:37And you just start kind of speaking to them,
28:39excuse me, are you, do you, you know?
28:42Yeah.
28:42What's curious to me, like, what is that?
28:44Yeah, what is that?
28:45Right, what is that?
28:45And you just start talking to people.
28:47Yeah.
28:47You know, waitresses, people at the airport,
28:49anybody really, if you're noticing things.
28:52So your whole life is about sharing this,
28:57what you see, sharing your understanding
28:59of what's surrounding them.
29:00And that's what we're going to get into now,
29:03is the notion of other entities and other beings
29:05and the impact they're having on us.
29:08Because when you do a reading for someone,
29:10you're looking at the energetic dynamics
29:12behind what's going on beyond the subconscious
29:15into a realm that's unknown and unseen by the individual.
29:19Mm-hmm.
29:19Very few do understand what's going on.
29:22Right.
29:22If anybody, if any of your viewers have seen
29:24like The Matrix, right,
29:26and they have these computer lines, you know,
29:28that are The Matrix and what The Matrix consists of,
29:31that's kind of how I see it.
29:33Mm-hmm.
29:34It's sometimes I do see dead grandma.
29:36Mm-hmm.
29:37I mean, it's relevant,
29:40but only to the point of where it actually helps the person.
29:43And why is it that I'm seeing dead grandma,
29:46not just to tell them she loves you.
29:48Mm-hmm.
29:49There's nothing wrong with that.
29:50But that's not really what you do.
29:52No, but it's like I was on a plane one time, and I was sitting on the aisle seat.
29:59This girl was sitting at the window.
30:01Plane took off.
30:02This older woman in a night shirt was standing next to me screaming,
30:09tell her to lose that guy.
30:10Tell her to lose that guy.
30:12And I'm like, okay, excuse me.
30:18Ryan is your name?
30:19Yeah.
30:19Uh, your grandmother's here, and she's telling me to tell you to lose the guy.
30:24And Ryan's like, blah, bawling.
30:29And I go, why, are you okay?
30:31She goes, I prayed this morning for an unequivocal sign.
30:35Oh, interesting.
30:37That I had an unequivocal sign that whether I should break up with this fiance of hers for,
30:44she'd been dating for five years.
30:45Yeah.
30:46Wow.
30:46It was exciting.
30:48Yeah, I mean, what a gratifying life to just be wide open, see things going on,
30:53kind of like touched by an angel, you know?
30:55Right.
30:55This is interesting.
30:57But I think the part that really has to do with all of us is when you've done readings on a lot
31:04of people at Gaia, and they're all like, wow.
31:07But what's really going on is you're looking at these underpinnings and dynamics.
31:11So let's talk about that world because it's a world, I'm intrigued with the as above,
31:16as below, and the being sandwiched in between.
31:20And we talked about this before, the notion of what's coming into our life and what's affecting
31:27us and what's attached to us that we don't even know of.
31:29And you told me a story about the message was, it's not your fault.
31:33Right.
31:34So let's talk about that so we can just get an example of how things are holding us down
31:38and in these patterns.
31:40Well, I'll call this gentleman Bob.
31:42I had a Zoom meeting with him and I knew during the reading, he'd never had a reading before.
31:48I said, you've got to go and bring your buddy in to sit in the room with you.
31:52And he's like, okay.
31:53Why?
31:54Why?
31:57So about 30 minutes into the session, I did my best to build up to what I knew was coming.
32:04And finally, I just said to him, there's a young woman here.
32:08She's telling me to tell you, it's not your fault.
32:13And he lost it, Regina.
32:15He started bawling.
32:16He was just overcome.
32:18The gentleman was there to literally catch him.
32:22And after he regained, you know, a little bit of his composure after several minutes,
32:29when he was 16 years old, he was going to the prom with his girlfriend and best friend
32:36and best friend's girlfriend.
32:38And long story short, the best friend flipped the wheel of the car as a joke.
32:45Like a 16-year-old stupid kid.
32:47Stupid kid, not thinking.
32:48Yeah.
32:49And his girlfriend was killed.
32:52But the reason that came up is because this gentleman had been then got married
33:00and was in an abusive relationship for years and years and years.
33:05Like punishing himself on some level.
33:07Punishing.
33:07On some level, like on a subconscious level.
33:10And you could see the link that he was punishing himself for the loss of this girl.
33:14Yes.
33:15Okay.
33:15And so, but what's interesting is when that cleared, he met the love of his life.
33:23And then two weeks after the session, he calls me.
33:26He's driving over a pass and he pulled over.
33:30He was sobbing when he called me again.
33:33He said, Chris, we'll call her Becky, the one that was killed,
33:38was sitting beside him and placed her hand on his shoulder and said,
33:42it's all going to work out.
33:44Aww.
33:45But he saw her.
33:47Saw her.
33:48Yeah.
33:48And so...
33:49It opened up things in him.
33:50It opened up gifts for him.
33:52Yeah.
33:53And so when I look at people, especially here at Gaia, I get chills.
33:58Like, I love people unwrapping their gifts one gift at a time.
34:03If they try to unwrap all the gifts all at once, it's a little overwhelming.
34:08Well, that begs the question, what happened with your son then,
34:11when it was known that he...
34:13How old was he when they looked at his brain?
34:15He was probably 26, 27.
34:19And did they find a similar pattern to yours?
34:21Yes.
34:22Right.
34:22So he...
34:23Now, let's talk about what happened in his case.
34:28Once he...
34:29You found this about his brain, but how was he responding to life?
34:31I've actually never talked about this, but yeah.
34:35You and I have talked about it.
34:37But, um, he won all these college scholarships and...
34:40Brilliant.
34:43...got involved in drugs.
34:44Mm-hmm.
34:45Um...
34:46Just because he couldn't handle all this?
34:48Right.
34:49Did he talk to you about it?
34:50Did he say, what am I seeing, Dad?
34:51What's going on?
34:52No.
34:53And there are a lot...
34:54There are people like this out there.
34:56A lot of people, a lot of these young people now.
34:58Mm-hmm.
34:59Wide open.
35:00Very good.
35:01Don't know what to do with it, where to put it.
35:04People don't believe him if they speak up.
35:06How was that for your son?
35:07Because you would have believed anything he said, really, because you've been through it all.
35:10Right.
35:11Well, he's doing, by the way, fantastic now.
35:14Yeah, yeah.
35:15Really fantastic.
35:15But the journey of that, what was it in him?
35:20Could he talk to you or not?
35:21Not really.
35:24Mm-hmm.
35:26Because, well, if people are ashamed of what they're doing, they're going to lie about it.
35:32Right.
35:32Right.
35:33And parents really want to trust their kids.
35:36Right.
35:37Right?
35:37You love your kids.
35:38Yeah.
35:39And so, I always tell people, you can't see spaghetti on your own face.
35:45Right.
35:45If you and I are at a spaghetti restaurant, I can see spaghetti on your face.
35:49You can see spaghetti on my face.
35:50I'm not going to be offended if you tell me there's spaghetti on my face, because we're at an
35:54Italian restaurant.
35:55Right.
35:55Right.
35:56Right.
35:57So, it's being able to tell people that they have this construct, this belief system,
36:05and it just had to do with shutting down the fear or wanting to check out.
36:09Right.
36:10So, for him to numb himself was the only way forward that he could see, that he understood.
36:15And you couldn't see that, because you're always looking for the best.
36:19Right.
36:20It was so close to me, I couldn't see the spaghetti.
36:22I hear you.
36:23I couldn't see it.
36:24Oh, yeah?
36:25Yeah.
36:25I couldn't see it.
36:26It's a child.
36:26Yeah.
36:27So, then he did find his way out.
36:29Right.
36:29And he's in a really good place now.
36:31So, now, how are these abilities being used in him, or did he keep them shut down?
36:36No.
36:37They're evolving big time.
36:38Yeah.
36:39He's in a place where he's moving into being able to help a lot of other people.
36:43Yeah.
36:43You know?
36:44It really is extraordinary.
36:45Yeah.
36:46It really is extraordinary.
36:47Well, I brought it up because so many young people are in this situation now.
36:53And so many parents don't understand what's going on.
36:58Let me ask you, since you're the one out there with the feelers all day, every day,
37:03what are you seeing in these young people that are coming online now?
37:07That they don't know where they're supposed to be in the world.
37:10The systems aren't working for them anymore.
37:12Some of them are very talented, intuitive, wide open creators.
37:16What are you seeing in their auras?
37:18So you can give a reflection back to some of the parents watching who don't understand what's
37:23going on with their kid.
37:24Let me describe it like this.
37:26Let's say you have a pristine field, like literally green grass, cows, and then you have
37:35boulders or you have broken down tractor machinery.
37:41You know, you have stuff in the field.
37:44That's the way I see people's energetic field.
37:47So it's always going to be a little bit different.
37:50So my forte is to help people remove that.
37:54Like here, here's, of course, with their permission, but to remove that obstacle.
38:00And sometimes it's from previous lives.
38:04Yes, bringing a lot of that in now because the times are allowing it.
38:08A lot of people coming back from Atlantean times, for example,
38:12are coming back with incredible knowledge, ability, and power they had back then
38:16that hasn't been useful until now.
38:18Right.
38:19Right.
38:20Yeah.
38:21Well, and then, and then for instance, even like I was reading for a gentleman one time,
38:26and he had this weird little thing off to the side of him.
38:28It was like a energy field.
38:31And it turns out we were talking, it was his previous life as a soldier,
38:37and he'd been shot down over Germany during World War II and was alive the whole time he was
38:43falling, right?
38:44He was shot down.
38:45The plane was shot down.
38:46And so for thousands of feet, he was, at least I'm dying for a cause.
38:51At least I'm dying for a cause.
38:52At least I'm dying for a cause.
38:54America, America.
38:55Well, when he came back to this life, he was in the family of a senator,
39:01and he was at every political rally.
39:03He was at, you know, he had, he had thousands of t-shirts about America and the hats and the
39:09outfits and the flags because that had carried over with him about,
39:14I have to die for a cause, I have to die for a cause, but he wasn't living.
39:18He was caught in that construct from the past.
39:21Yes.
39:22Right.
39:22And so some of these young people are very old souls.
39:27Yeah.
39:27Right.
39:28And it's just, hey, you want to remember something?
39:34That's what you do.
39:35So that's what, essentially that's what you're trying to do is help them
39:39see themselves beyond the constructs, not just the kids, but the rest of us.
39:44Another question I just thought I'd ask you because of the work I've done
39:48with another interviewee about the nature of souls that are incarnating now,
39:53that there are many more that are incarnating from off planet sources.
39:57And they're, they're coming as human, but they're not really from here.
40:00And they're here for, to do what they're here to do.
40:02What are you seeing with that?
40:05Ever see a dog hear a weird noise and do this?
40:09I'm doing that a lot more lately.
40:11What, what are you?
40:14They're different energy.
40:15Yeah.
40:16There's a definitely different energy about them.
40:18Mm-hmm.
40:19Um, I walk, I was walking by, I worked for a major corporation and, and I didn't
40:24know half the people there, but I was walking down the hall one day and I went,
40:28excuse me, you were abducted, weren't you?
40:32And he's like, how do you know that?
40:35And he was raised in Alaska and he and his buddy were out driving one night.
40:42They see this huge ship.
40:45They go into the overpass.
40:46The ship is gone.
40:47They turn around and come back and there's a guy in the street.
40:50They go, did you see that ship?
40:52Well, they saw this ship at 11 o'clock at night.
40:55Now it was five o'clock in the morning.
40:56They lost like six hours.
40:58Yeah.
40:58But he had this energy.
40:59There's like a, there's a certain vibration or an energy.
41:03With an ET influence.
41:04That my LSD brain, I don't know.
41:06I just sense like there's something, but I have this insatiable zest and amazing appetite
41:13for life and this curiosity.
41:15I know you have that too.
41:16It's why you do what you do so well.
41:19I feel like, what could we do?
41:22You know, what is that?
41:24What is that?
41:25Yeah.
41:25It's so amazing.
41:26Well, because right now, different things are needed.
41:28Society is developing in new ways and some of it's going to be some of our hybrid blood
41:33from the past and et cetera.
41:35So I just brought all of this up because this is really just sort of an introduction to who you are
41:39and what you do, because in another conversation down the road, what I'd like to talk about
41:45is if most people are unconscious, unknowingly being affected by beings in other dimensions
41:54around them and oftentimes holding them in patterns and to the negative,
41:59then how we can begin doing our own kind of ghost busting.
42:05Because right now you're able to help people do that, but not everybody knows you or can
42:10and have a reading with you.
42:11Right.
42:12So we need to look at the next time we'll talk about how we identify when that's what's influencing us
42:18and then how we can go about disrupting those connections ourselves.
42:24Great.
42:24Can I start it out with just one question?
42:26Yeah.
42:27Ask yourself, where is this coming from?
42:30Don't assume when you walk onto an elevator and somebody is packed, the elevator's packed,
42:36that the elevator, somebody on there has body odor.
42:39Never assume it's your body odor.
42:40Mm-hmm.
42:41Go, whew, where is that coming from?
42:43Mm-hmm.
42:44Notice that if all of a sudden you're feeling depressed or anxiety or...
42:50Out of nowhere.
42:50Out of nowhere.
42:51Never claim it.
42:53Go, what is this?
42:54Oh, this is anxiety.
42:55Yeah.
42:56This is depression.
42:57And go, where is this coming from?
42:59Start there.
43:00Start with asking that question.
43:01Start, where is this coming from?
43:02Yeah.
43:02We used to have a, I guess he was friendly enough, a garbage man, my son and I,
43:07he'd just show up in the middle of the living room in a cylinder about three feet around.
43:12There was a shaft in the middle of the living room and you'd walk through it.
43:16And it was, oh man, it was like burning garbage.
43:19And it's like, oh my God, the garbage man's here.
43:22And we just like, phew, you know, and walk away.
43:25He was there pretty much most days, you know?
43:27Yeah.
43:28Don't know what he was doing there.
43:30So yes, life is stranger than fiction.
43:33Yeah.
43:33And your life in particular.
43:34So, Christopher, I just want to say thank you so much for joining us and for
43:38letting everyone have a chance to get to know you, because everyone here at Gaia knows that
43:43you need to come back and inform us a little bit more about this, these other realms.
43:47So I just wanted to make that statement in advance.
43:49I love it dearly.
43:51You're amazing.
43:52Thank you so much.
43:53Again, the title of Christopher's book is Trestle Creek, What the Dead Fear.
43:59It's a harrowing story of haunting, but a beautiful, rich story of a young boy's observation
44:04and experience of the people he loved and growing out of the trauma of his youth.
44:09Until next time, thank you for joining us here on Open Minds.
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