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00:00Hello and welcome to Episode 4 of The Traitors Uncloaked,
00:03your official visualized companion podcast with me, Ed Gamble.
00:07This show is a spoiler sensation, so if you haven't watched Episode 4 of The Traitors yet,
00:11go and watch it now, and then come back to join us for more deception, drama and druids.
00:16Coming up, we'll be discussing the shock reveal of the secret traitor's identity.
00:21The latest player to be banished, Ross, is with us to dissect the surprise roundtable
00:25and the secret he's been keeping this whole time.
00:28Plus, we're about to have our first face-to-face murder,
00:30which I'm going to unpick in detail with superfans Angela Scanlon and Max Belegde,
00:35Series 1 traitor Wilf, and Series 2 faithful turn traitor Miles.
00:45We have to start with the biggest revelation of the series so far.
00:47Fiona is the secret traitor. Your reactions to that?
00:52Little red riding water.
00:55With a little basket and everything. She's welcome.
00:57It is, of course, Fiona. I mean, I was willing it to be Fiona.
01:02Oh, same.
01:03From Episode 1, I was like, please let it be Fiona.
01:06Did any of us suspect that it was Fiona?
01:08Angela, did you have any suspicions?
01:10I had like hopes that it would be Fiona because she's so unassuming. I mean, obviously everyone was like, oh, she's playing a good game,
01:17being a bit ditzy and kind of clueless as if that was a pretense. But I thought, oh, that's actually quite an obvious kind of line to tread.
01:25But I just love her voice and her insight and how sweet she looks outside. And then she sits in that chair and she's like, they haven't seen me coming.
01:37She's like rubbing her hands together. She's a beast and I love her.
01:42I love it. Yeah. What about you, Max? Did you suspect?
01:44I suspected her when she was in the car and she brought up Rachel's name because up until that point, nobody had really suspected Rachel.
01:51And then out of nowhere, she brings it up. But she didn't try too hard. And I thought, you know something here, love. You know. And she did.
01:58Yeah. She did. I thought, to be honest, it was like, it was so obvious it could have been her, but it couldn't have been her.
02:03Yeah. She's so cute and so innocent looking. She's the perfect pick for it. She's perfect. Oh my God.
02:08And then she went so hard for Hugo, I thought, maybe she's not.
02:11Look, I was watching it going, surely that it's not going to be another Welsh person.
02:15They have done a lot. So many Welsh people.
02:18We've had Amanda. Amanda. We've had Andrew. And then we had Charlotte.
02:23We've had a fake Welsh traitor. And now another real Welsh traitor. And Hugo was Welsh as well.
02:28Yeah. So this has done a lot to ruin the reputation for Welsh.
02:31Were there any clues that could have led us to Fiona?
02:34We've got the handwriting. Did anyone notice similarities with the handwriting,
02:38with the murder shortlist and the slates?
02:41That was one thing that we thought. Oh, I didn't even think of that.
02:43Well, I did think the handwriting was so good that a younger person might not have done that.
02:50You know what I mean? I just think like we use, like younger people use technology a lot.
02:53Speak for yourself. I've got beautiful handwriting.
02:56But I was like, it's an older person. That was my initial thought.
02:59I definitely thought it was going to be a female.
03:01Yeah.
03:01It's got to be a female.
03:02Because she was going for the lads all the time.
03:04The men were on the chopping block for a long time.
03:06So it was like, yeah, it's got to be a good lady.
03:09So in episode one, on the way to the mission, I don't know if anyone else picked up on this,
03:13James says that no one in the car that he's in does he suspect to be a traitor.
03:17And Fiona's in that car and does a quiet little sort of smile out of the window, just glances off.
03:22Oh, I missed that.
03:24Did you catch that?
03:25I did catch that.
03:26But I think Fiona always looks like she's like, got sunshine, it's an alipop.
03:30So she's just looking around and just having a great old time.
03:33I think she's played it beautifully.
03:34She is.
03:35There was also, and I mentioned this on a previous episode of Uncloaked,
03:38it's my biggest clue that Fiona was the secret traitor, the comment of saying,
03:43at home, I've got a red bather that's a thong.
03:45Your husband's not going to recognise you when you get home,
03:48you're just doing all the text, it's how you're going to be.
03:49I'd be like Cindy Crawford.
03:51Be on Baywatch, ready for Baywatch.
03:54It will, yeah, I will.
03:56I've got a little red bather, which is a thong.
03:59Oh dear, Fiona, I don't think I need to know that.
04:04That to me is the biggest clue, 100%.
04:07There's no way they're including that in the edit if it's not a huge clue.
04:11And she threw it in on purpose.
04:12She's like, I'm going to mention red, and I'm going to do it.
04:15Give it all a one for me, hubby at home.
04:16A little wink.
04:18Love her.
04:19Husband's thinking, I've never seen that.
04:20That's not fair.
04:24She's all talk.
04:25As a former traitor, how do you rate her gameplay so far?
04:28It's 10 out of 10, innit?
04:29It's got to be 10 out of 10, as long as she tones it down at some point.
04:32Yeah.
04:32It's just great, and it's entertaining.
04:34It's really entertaining to watch somebody who's fully in the role and just enjoying it.
04:38Obviously, I cried all the time, so it's like watching somebody who's just enjoying it
04:42and taking it as a game, it's nice to watch.
04:44Yes.
04:44And Max, as a super fan, this has obviously been our opportunity to play the game at home.
04:49Have you enjoyed that?
04:50Loved it, because I was dissecting everybody's glances.
04:54Everybody, even the tone of their voice when they would say certain things.
04:57I found myself this season more than ever really paying attention.
05:00And it just kind of showed to me how hard it is as a job of being a faithful.
05:05Let's talk about Fiona's relationship with the other traitors now that she's revealed herself.
05:12It's a little icy in here, isn't it?
05:14Look at you, Volta Knight Hugo.
05:16Do you know what?
05:17He messed up big time, so I had to go gung-ho on him.
05:21Okay.
05:21It had to be done.
05:23I basically have done your job for you for the last few nights.
05:26She's already got the villain's life.
05:32She's phenomenal.
05:33Unbelievable.
05:35So brilliant.
05:36I think that that could be her biggest downfall, is like Rachel actually said earlier in the show,
05:41no two traitors have ever won it together.
05:44So you've got to have your fellow traitors on side, really, to get to the end,
05:47because they can throw you under the bus just as easily as you can throw them under the bus.
05:50Yeah.
05:51Well, Miles, you know that more than anyone else.
05:53I'll take a minute's silence.
05:54Throw them under the bus.
05:56What do you make of the heightening tension in the turret?
05:58I think the thing is, I think Rachel is very much like she said, was the driving seat,
06:03kind of had Stephen under her thumb, and then Fiona's come along now with this kind of powerhouse,
06:08especially with the attitude.
06:10And so the alliances are kind of shattered, because then Stephen's the kind of one in between the two ladies.
06:14And I think it depends on how it kind of falls.
06:16He just needs to let them fight out, doesn't he?
06:18Yeah, just don't get involved.
06:19But I think you do need your traitors.
06:22Your traitors need each other at certain points.
06:24Yeah.
06:24And as soon as that kind of starts crumbling, as you saw.
06:27Especially this early in the game as well.
06:29It's very early.
06:30It feels like they need to stick together for a little bit.
06:31I mean, obviously, in series three, we saw a fairly united traitors tunnel.
06:36It feels like things are crumbling pretty quickly.
06:39But I think Hugo being chucked so quick has kind of made them all a little edgy, maybe.
06:45I think Hugo was the kind of common enemy, wasn't he?
06:47He was like, he's not going to last.
06:49Easy time.
06:50He's not going to last.
06:50And the Faithfuls were annoyed by him, and so were the traitors.
06:53So you've got no chance, mate.
06:55Now, speaking of Fiona, as we have been for pretty much the whole episode,
06:59her take on the mission was rather relaxed.
07:01She could not care less.
07:04No.
07:05I love it so much.
07:06She's walking around.
07:07She's literally trolling him.
07:09What would you say then, Angela?
07:10If you was in that box.
07:11I'm about to die.
07:12I'd be like, Fiona, babes, love you.
07:14Love your pace.
07:15Generally enjoy the way you exist in the world.
07:19Get your arse in here.
07:20You're not sprained in an ankle.
07:21I'm not interested.
07:22The mission as a whole was quite a brutal display of allegiances,
07:25because people had to pick the people they were protecting.
07:28Poor Sam.
07:30Poor Sam, completely alone.
07:32No one picked him.
07:33Apart from Rachel electing Amanda over fellow trader Stephen,
07:37were there any other pairings that you found surprising?
07:40I think they were quite random, to be honest.
07:42From what we've seen, there weren't too many alliances that I could tell.
07:45Are we surprised that Sam was the one who was left out?
07:48I think so.
07:49No.
07:49No, I was.
07:50No, I wasn't, because I think he gives up that vibe.
07:53Yeah.
07:54Like, I even thought he was a secret traitor for a while,
07:57because he gives off that vibe.
07:59Like, I'm playing the game by myself.
08:01Well, soon we'll be getting Ross's reaction to the secret traitor twist,
08:04which, unbeknownst to the faithful,
08:06has been controlling the castle since the start.
08:09But first, we finish this episode with traitors Rachel and Fiona
08:12having to put their differences aside
08:13and decide who to kill to take suspicion of fellow traitor Stephen.
08:18So their choices are Sam, Rhys and Maz.
08:22Protect Maz at all costs.
08:24What I love about Maz, he's clearly such a sweet man.
08:27Yeah.
08:28And when he finds out he's on this big shortlist or whatever,
08:31that he's one of the people who could be murdered,
08:34he's like, oh, this is awful to be on the murder shortlist.
08:37And you want to go, brother, you've been on that list every day.
08:40You've been dodging them day and day and day.
08:42If only you, Fiona has been whacking you on the shortlist every single day.
08:46Why? I don't understand Fiona's problem with that.
08:48This is the nicest man.
08:49He's so innocent.
08:51Yeah.
08:52But I liked how when he was in the cage,
08:55he's like, I was in the police force.
08:57This is whatever happens here is grand.
08:59Clearly, everyone is involved in the police force.
09:05Maz needs to go. I'm really sorry.
09:07How dare you?
09:08Rhys already has suspicion on him.
09:10So you'd leave him in because they're going to banish him at some point anyway.
09:13Yeah.
09:13So you'd get, like, I'd get rid of Maz because people would be like,
09:16what's going on? Why would they get rid of Maz?
09:18It would just cause a bit more confusion.
09:20Then they'll look at Rhys a little bit.
09:21And Sam's got a lot of suspicion on him as well.
09:23Yeah.
09:24So I think that's really sad to say, I'm sorry.
09:26I love Maz as well, but see you later.
09:28Do we think murdering Sam takes the spotlight off Stephen at all?
09:31Because Sam led the Judy banishment charge
09:34and he's been a bit quiet ever since.
09:36Sam just acts like a traitor sometimes.
09:38Yeah.
09:39He kind of gives that traitor confidence, maybe.
09:42Doing too much.
09:43Yeah, if he kind of calms it down and becomes a good faithful,
09:46I don't think he seems like he's got a good alliance with many other faithfuls.
09:49Still really handsome guy.
09:50Oh, very handsome guy.
09:53Because everyone thought he looked like you and that's why.
09:56Oh, what, did they?
09:57Sorry.
09:58I'm not on socials very often.
10:02Let's look at murdering Rhys as an option.
10:05Because it was neck and neck between him and Ross at the round table.
10:08He basically just got absolved of a lot of suspicion on him
10:11because he got so emotional.
10:12No, but the fact that Stephen saw that happen,
10:15as a traitor I would then go,
10:16guys, this happened in the kitchen.
10:18Murder Rhys.
10:19You know, Harriet saw him crying
10:20and she was a big force in getting rid of Hugo.
10:22She no longer has any suspicion on him.
10:24It's kind of useless. We may as well get rid of it.
10:26Yeah, that's interesting.
10:27But yeah, I suppose in that moment,
10:30Stephen is not deciding who to murder.
10:32Of course.
10:33Because he's locked in a cage.
10:34I mean, I'm gutted for Stephen because this feels like a huge mistake.
10:38Did anyone spot the particular slip-up at the round table?
10:41Let's have a little reminder.
10:44There's just one point as well that I wanted to make.
10:48These murders in plain sight, right?
10:50They are designed to give us clues, okay?
10:53Because you're asking the traitor to do something
10:55whilst everyone is running wild around the castle, okay?
10:58Yeah.
10:58Yeah, true.
10:59So who was the last person I saw at that painting?
11:02Yeah.
11:03And I've spoken to you before, Maz, through this process.
11:06And so I was thinking to myself last night,
11:09you know, oh, sorry, this morning after we found out how,
11:12you know, the thing was done.
11:14Oh, dude.
11:16Dude, he's got to be more careful.
11:17And he was so confident.
11:18He was like, I'm going to smash this talk.
11:22One of the tales, though, I noticed on that,
11:24is that he finishes every sentence with okay,
11:26which I think he's giving himself a breather to get my next sentence.
11:29It's not enough of a breather, though.
11:30No, no.
11:31Okay.
11:31So last night in the turret, we were talking in the turret last night.
11:35Okay, so I'm a traitor, faithful.
11:38Well, banished faithful Ross joins us next.
11:41But first, let's see how he reacted when he found out the identity of the traitors,
11:45just after he left the game at Claudia's surprise morning round table.
11:49It's frustrating having been voted out as, honestly, I had a perfect theory.
12:00Come on now.
12:01Like, literally, we know one of those five had to be a traitor.
12:06And they've set me up.
12:08And ultimately, I could tell on that round table,
12:11they just were not listening to the facts that I was laying down.
12:16Traitors-wise, I think there were four.
12:18And at least one of those five who heard Ben's dying words is a traitor.
12:24And of those five, Ellie, I think is a traitor.
12:29Stephen, I think is a traitor.
12:32And then Fiona.
12:35It's so hard.
12:36It's so hard.
12:36But I do think Fiona is a silent assassin.
12:40Final one is Harriet.
12:42And it's just because of her behaviour on that last round table.
12:47It didn't make sense that she wasn't listening to what I was saying there.
12:51Is this now...
12:51Is this the point where I can now find out who the traitors are?
12:55All right.
12:58Oh!
13:02Here we go.
13:04Oh, mate.
13:04OK.
13:12Yes!
13:13Stephen, I did know Stephen was a traitor.
13:17This makes me feel so good, because I knew it!
13:21That's a win for me.
13:22I'll give you that.
13:24Right.
13:24Oh, do you know what?
13:25I'm a bit worried to see who the next one is.
13:37Rachel.
13:39That has stunned me.
13:46I'm not going to lie to you.
13:47Rachel was completely off my radar.
13:50I just thought she was just being unnecessarily stubborn.
13:53Ultimately, the traitor's plan was to get me out at the round table.
13:59And she guaranteed, without suspicion, I'd always get at least one vote.
14:03I am super surprised Ellie's not on this list.
14:07She was really weirdly quiet at the round table.
14:10That was really weird to me.
14:11That surprised me.
14:13She has been a faithful.
14:15And I was wrong.
14:19And Russ is with us now!
14:24Welcome to Uncloaked, Russ.
14:26Thank you so much for having me.
14:28It's a delight to have you here.
14:29Under sad circumstances, of course, you've gone out quite early.
14:32Oh, you know what?
14:33I'm actually really happy with my run, honestly.
14:35I feel like a blaze of glory, you know?
14:37Yeah, it was a huge blaze of glory, in a way.
14:41Jilted! Jilted!
14:43We'll talk about your whole game.
14:46But first, I do want to hear why you thought your own secret girlfriend was a traitor.
14:50Listen, alright, so you lot don't know who I ever have at home.
14:54And so, she'd be like, freezing up.
14:56I'm really nervous.
14:58I'm like, I'm literally under fire here.
15:01Who's got a chance?
15:02Who's nervous?
15:04And so I just couldn't empathise with her finding the experience so intimidating.
15:09Was there beefing on you when you got home?
15:11No, no, no, no, no, no.
15:12Maybe a little bit, yeah?
15:14It was more, I was like, you know what?
15:16I didn't want her to go crazy, but I was like, a little...
15:18A little jab.
15:20Sorry.
15:21A little left hop.
15:22Yeah.
15:23Like, a little defence or leading the charge in an opposite direction, maybe.
15:27Don't get me wrong.
15:28The plan was, you know, we're working for the household.
15:30Don't sacrifice yourself.
15:31But I was like, don't do nothing.
15:34Buck me up a bit over here.
15:36But I did see later on in some bits that actually, you know,
15:39she was, she had my back so, do you know what I mean?
15:41Well, she must have felt quite sort of torn
15:44because she was also watching you have the most stressful game anyone's ever had.
15:48I think because it was as soon as you got out of the car,
15:50when normally you can relax and sort of take the castle in.
15:52Oh, don't.
15:52Nettie runs towards you.
15:54And from that moment on, you're under suspicion.
15:57At the time, I'd seen Nettie, like early,
16:01let's say 20 seconds before.
16:02Yeah.
16:02And so I was like, yes, I've got a secret ally.
16:07Another one.
16:08It's supposed to be 22 strangers.
16:10It's 20 plus Ross and Nettie.
16:12And Ellie.
16:14And Ellie.
16:15Yes, and Ellie.
16:18We've got a girlfriend.
16:18There's definitely beef at home.
16:21And Nettie's gone, Ross.
16:23And I was like, no, no.
16:24And so I've frozen because I'm like, oh, this is not good.
16:27And she's run and she's jumped into my arms.
16:29And the problem with that, it's also that I'm like,
16:33everyone was like, oh, Ross, how was, you know, it looks really suspicious.
16:36And I'm like, I don't care about you lot right now.
16:38Someone who, my partner who has no idea who they are,
16:41just jumped into my arms.
16:42Like, you guys have one of the wrong priorities.
16:44And he's like, oh, really?
16:47Yeah, yes, yes.
16:48You've got some splaining.
16:49Is there footage anywhere of Ellie finding you in the castle and going,
16:53who the hell is that?
16:54And that's what my actual initial fear and worry was.
16:58And so what's annoying and frustrating is I'm trying to hang it up and be like,
17:02oh, my God, who is this?
17:05I can't believe.
17:05It's my platonic friend from years ago.
17:08Exactly.
17:09Wasn't a platonic friend.
17:11And so, yes, yes, yes.
17:12Okay.
17:13Just for clarity.
17:14It's actually generally innocent, but it looks terrible.
17:17Look, you guessed Stephen.
17:23And we also saw in that clip, you guessed Fiona as well.
17:26You referred to Fiona as a silent assassin.
17:28Yes, that's true.
17:29You couldn't have been much closer, you know,
17:31secret traitor, silent assassin.
17:32I just noticed she'd, like, I've spent a lot of time with Fiona.
17:37She's switched on.
17:38She's really, really switched on.
17:40So when she'd say stuff every now and again, like,
17:42what did he say?
17:43What did Ben say?
17:46I was like, you're asking a question you knew the answer to.
17:49Yeah.
17:50And so for me, I was like, that was a flag, but it wasn't like a, yeah.
17:55And I mean, we're talking a lot about the Library Five.
17:58So the people who heard Ben's final words to look at you if he died.
18:03And so you suspected Stephen because of that.
18:05And Fiona was also there.
18:06It was two of the Library Five.
18:07That's true.
18:08That's true.
18:09And so in my eyes, it was those three.
18:13I knew that, this is going to sound a bit arrogant,
18:16but I felt like Fiona would not kill me.
18:21And so because of it, I was like,
18:22there's no point actually going out with Fiona.
18:24And I'm obviously not going to ruin the household.
18:27Yeah.
18:27And so Stephen was actually the only viable person of that five
18:31who was like, yeah, you can go.
18:33Yeah.
18:33And so it just made sense.
18:35So you were so adamant it was LA.
18:36Like you were like, I was, I couldn't, at that time,
18:41I could not think of any other reason for her to be so out of character.
18:45Like, if you know, if you guys, I would say if you know any,
18:47she's actually a, like, wild, wild.
18:50Like, I'm actually the calm one.
18:52Really?
18:52Yeah.
18:53She seems so quiet.
18:54That's it.
18:55And so I was more like, who are you?
18:57Like, I was, I was...
18:59She's only chill when her boyfriend's under the threat of banishment.
19:01It's the only time she takes a back seat.
19:05After watching the first episode,
19:07I did now notice that basically,
19:09other than us two on the train where she's smiling and a bit like us,
19:13every other scene was like...
19:15She's terrified.
19:17Can we, can we talk about the moment on the train?
19:21Obviously, you're trying to conceal that you're in a relationship.
19:24I'd say it's the most obvious thing I've ever seen in my life.
19:27That conversation, the, I'm from London.
19:30Is it?
19:30Is it?
19:31I think, is it?
19:32Is it?
19:33I went, is it?
19:34Yeah.
19:34Hey, that was a good moment.
19:37Is it?
19:38I think, is it, will be your legacy on this show.
19:40I hope so.
19:41No one's ever been that surprised to hear someone's from London.
19:46Well, Ellie's claimed that she's going to avenge your banishment.
19:49I hope so.
19:50Yeah.
19:50I hope so.
19:51She, she should be.
19:52She's got, I feel like I've laid the clues, you know, with evidence.
19:55So, like, beautifully articulated and very calm.
19:59I just don't.
20:00Yeah.
20:01But then Rachel went, what was the turret like?
20:03And you were like, oh, that was crazy.
20:05Oh my God.
20:06I don't know what anyone would say in that situation though.
20:08I know.
20:09You pretending that you didn't know what the turret was was brilliant.
20:11We should, we should talk about this.
20:12Let's remind ourselves of that moment.
20:14Brilliant.
20:15Can I ask you a question?
20:16Please.
20:17Was Hugo this dramatic in the turret?
20:19Was Hugo this?
20:22I'm sorry, I don't understand.
20:23Was Hugo dramatic in the turret?
20:27I didn't, in what turret?
20:31Oh, she's so evil.
20:32And she's like, I rest my case.
20:34I mean, a brutal move from Rachel, I think.
20:38Wild play.
20:40And then she tries to claim it was a joke afterwards.
20:42She's like, I jokingly said this.
20:43It's like, your face wasn't showing.
20:44That was the little jockey joke I've ever seen.
20:46But then, I mean, look, I felt bad for you for this whole game, Russ.
20:50Because from minute one, you're like, no one else is under suspicion.
20:53You get out the car, Nettie runs up to you,
20:55and the game never slowed down from that point.
20:57Yes, sadly.
20:57So I understand there's so much going on.
20:59At this point, you're going to go, what turret?
21:01But have you worked out what the turret is yet?
21:04I do, Dan.
21:04Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:05Rachel's turret.
21:06Oh, hats off to you.
21:07He's had the hardest start I've ever seen anybody have.
21:10Yeah.
21:10It's the most brutal Rachel V. Ross since Friends Season 7.
21:17It's such a leading question though, as well, isn't it?
21:18I thought that was her slipping up.
21:21So what's really funny was, when that was going on,
21:24I was like, bruv, have you just outage yourself?
21:27And also, what I didn't want to do at the time, as well,
21:29was say traitors.
21:30I don't know why, in my head, I just thought,
21:32if you say traitors, people will associate you with.
21:35And I was like, bruv, that...
21:36And I still thought it was a weird thing to say,
21:38but I understand now the game was a powerful thing to do.
21:41Max, how would you cope in that situation
21:43if you were at the round table?
21:44I think I would cry and run away.
21:47I don't think that would raise any suspicion whatsoever.
21:50Yeah.
21:51Ross, why did you and Ellie decide to go into the game together?
21:54Oh, so actually, Ellie was the one that applied for us.
21:57And we loved the show.
21:59So we'd watched season two and three.
22:04And then when she said we should try for it,
22:07I was like, you sure?
22:09Because obviously, it's such a popular show,
22:11so many people on it.
22:13And so, yeah, I really like that.
22:14Has it brought you closest together?
22:16Yes.
22:16Or, are we also bringing...
22:19Or has it exposed some serious flaws in your relationship?
22:23Love Island!
22:26Yeah, to be fair to you, I've seen a lot more already,
22:29actually, if that makes sense.
22:30Because I think, especially in a relationship-wise,
22:33I don't know if you're competitive,
22:34but she'd keep her guard up quite a bit.
22:36So now understanding, oh, that's what that face means,
22:41is really, really helpful.
22:42Because, like, no, it's been good.
22:44I think it's good.
22:44I've seen your own reactions on TV.
22:46It is.
22:47Oh, that's what my face looks like.
22:51Were there any moments when you're in the castle
22:53that you nearly slipped up,
22:54that you nearly sort of revealed a little bit
22:56of the secret relationship to the other players?
22:59No, I was actually really playing with it.
23:01What, weirdly, our relationship was the most fun
23:04and comfortable thing for me personally,
23:05because I just, I don't know why, arrogantly,
23:08I knew nobody would guess.
23:10Yeah.
23:10And especially, obviously, after the Nettie scenario,
23:13I was like, bruv, we can do whatever.
23:14But there was no point at the end of the day.
23:21At the end of the day, you didn't, like,
23:23accidentally kiss her on the lips
23:24and then have to kiss everyone on the lips.
23:28That's why he got banished.
23:30It's not an excuse anymore.
23:32Yeah, we're going to have to get rid of Ross.
23:34He keeps snocking at me.
23:37It's obviously out there now
23:39that you and Ellie are in a relationship.
23:41But when the first three episodes were going out,
23:44have you been trying to not be seen together?
23:46So, yes, we've had to leave the house at separate times.
23:53Where we went to go watch the first episode
23:54that my family's together.
23:56Ellie took a big jacket and sunglasses.
24:00Like, we're going over the top.
24:02And I get it, to be fair, because we live where we live.
24:04And so, we don't want people to just ruin the fun.
24:06Yeah, yeah.
24:07And so, yeah, we've been doing every bit extra,
24:10which has been a bit long, but it's fun.
24:12And so, also, and telling friends, bruv.
24:14Yeah.
24:15Yeah, because I was going to say, the neighbours next door,
24:17like, hey, hey, hey, yeah.
24:19They're neighbours, they're my neighbours.
24:20I've been using this emoji non-stop.
24:22And then everyone else has been like, keep it to yourselves.
24:24And also, because it's fun.
24:25You get to share in the secret.
24:27You're in the inner circle.
24:30Who do you think is going to survive
24:32tonight's face-to-face murder, Ross?
24:34We've obviously got...
24:35Steven.
24:36We've got Steven.
24:36Steven will survive, yeah.
24:39Really?
24:40Are you all right?
24:41We should survive, because obviously, if I was a traitor,
24:43I'm keeping him in heaven,
24:45I'd probably kill Maz.
24:47That's what I said.
24:48I said that.
24:49But we love Maz.
24:50I love Maz.
24:51I'm sorry, Maz, but explain yourself.
24:53I love Sam, but Sam has rubbed some people not the right way.
24:57Yeah.
24:57So, actually...
24:58The wrong way.
24:59Ross is so nice, he won't even say the word wrong.
25:03The incorrect way.
25:04Yeah.
25:05You've rubbed me not the right way.
25:10It's feedback, a little feedback for you there.
25:13Yeah, yeah.
25:15The turret, yeah, what turret, yeah.
25:19Ross, although your time was cut savagely short,
25:21you've entered the traitor's history books,
25:23because you are the second Ross to be in a secret relationship.
25:26Oh!
25:27Oh, the other one with his mum.
25:29Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:31Of course.
25:31What's that season?
25:33You follow in the footsteps of secret son Ross to Diane,
25:37who is, of course, Miles' murder conquest.
25:40Congratulations.
25:41We'd like to commemorate that here on Uncloaked.
25:44A little portrait for you to take home.
25:47So you can have the other Ross at home.
25:50We'll have all the Rosses.
25:51All the Rosses.
25:51You can take that home with you.
25:53And we've sent him one of you as well, so...
25:58Well, we're out of time for part one,
25:59but we'll keep chatting over on BBC Sounds.
26:02I'm going to ask Ross more about his secret in the castle
26:05and if Fiona's arrival in the turret will make or break the traitors.
26:08Plus, there'll be more from Angela, Max, Wilf and Miles.
26:11It's all in your bonus episode of Uncloaked,
26:13which you can hear right now.
26:14Just scan the QR code on the screen
26:16and listen to us as you get ready for bed.
26:18I'm back on Thursday night straight after episode five
26:21with celebrity faithful Mark Bonner
26:23and series three faithful Thosier
26:24to see who hasn't made it through the night
26:26and if that murder has successfully thrown the scent
26:29off of traitor Stephen.
26:30Big thanks to Angela, Max, Wilf, Miles and Ross
26:33and to you for watching.
26:34I'm Ed Gamble.
26:35Stay faithful.
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