Re: Proposal for license change

From: Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 17:06:07 +0000
Subject: Re: Proposal for license change
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What about requiring a disclaimer like "This product is not endorsed nor contributed to by the
PHP community"? (Please don't place any restriction on where this disclaimer may be
placed, again for GPL compatibility.)
> On Apr 3, 2014, at 22:15, Stuart Dallas <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> On 3 Apr 2014, at 15:56, [email protected] wrote:
>> 
>> And since nobody owns PHP and it is intended to be truly open and accessible to all, does
>> it even make sense to restrict use of the PHP name and require permission from an entity?
>> In any case, may the US and UK trademark laws protect you. :)
> 
> Why does this matter so much to you? Are you so desperate to call your product/project
> "PHP Whatever" that you really can’t accept that the PHP licence is not an accident?
> 
> As far as I know that clause exists to prevent any confusion over whether PHP (i.e. the
> community) has had any input in to or has endorsed a particular product/project. It’s that simple.
> And the only reason I can think of (which doesn’t in any way mean it’s the only reason that
> exists) for why you care so much is that you want to imply such a connection.
> 
> -Stuart
> 
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> 
> 
>>>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 20:26, Rasmus Lerdorf <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 04/02/2014 06:54 PM, Kris Craig wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Sharon Levy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Why does the PHP project continue to be without any kind of corporate
>>>>> sponsorship in contrast to the opensource project Ubuntu which is backed by
>>>>> Canonical?  If the PHP project were to have a company supporting it,
>>>>> wouldn't it be better protected? And, with a company backing it
>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>> the issue of acquiring a trademark then be feasible?
>>> 
>>>> And if the company's shareholders decide they want PHP to go in a certain
>>>> direction, what then?  I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea.  It just
>>>> makes me really, really nervous.  I'm not sure a trademark and funding
>>>> would be worth giving-up our independence.
>>> 
>>> Right, not being beholden to any sort of corporate entity is very much
>>> on purpose. Nobody "owns" PHP and at the same time we all "own"
>>> PHP.
>>> That is the only way to keep PHP truly open and accessible to all, for
>>> better or worse.
>>> I also think you underestimate the hassle involved in getting (and
>>> protecting) a Madrid-protocol international trademark for a 3-letter term.
>>> 
>>> -Rasmus
>>> 
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