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        yeah but it’s not made by the people the propaganda works for. they’re just cogs. normal propaganda is made by the people championing the cause in question.

    • racoon ( racoon@lemmy.ml ) 
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      advertising is forcing you to pay with your time and attention. I started hating all kinds of ads when I first flew with Ryanair. There aren’t headphones big enough to withstand two and a half hours of uninterrupted bullshit

    • My wife initially hated my piholes, because they broke some of her phone’s stuff. She runs stock Samsung Android, so lots of the built in Google stuff got broken. She was constantly complaining about it. We eventually spent an evening hunt-and-peck’ing the various blocked DNS requests, to see which ones were required for her phone to work properly, and which ones were just Google Adsense BS. Got her set up with a WireGuard VPN connection that automatically activates when she’s disconnected from the home WiFi, so she’s always protected.

      Now that she’s used to it, it’s like a wake up slap whenever she encounters ads. We moved a while ago, and all of my more advanced networking stuff (including the pihole) was sitting in a box until I had time to set it all up. She suddenly started seeing ads again, and was absolutely gobsmacked at how pervasive they are. What really sent her over the edge was when our Roku TV was paused, and went to its idle screen. The idle screen is an auto-scrolling image, and it had an ad plastered across the scrolling image. She was like “what the fuck we’re not even watching anything right now! It’s just idle! Why the hell are they advertising to us on the damned idle screen??” That was what finally pushed her to give me an evening to set all of the networking stuff back up.

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      Our smart TV doesn’t allow an ad blocker on YouTube, but my kids have developed a way to skip ads anyway. They don’t tolerate ads more than I do, and I couldn’t be prouder.

    • GaumBeist ( GaumBeist@lemmy.ml ) 
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      The worse the product is, the more desperate they get to shove it in your face. Good products don’t need to pay others to pretend it’s good, you just find out via word-of-mouth or free trials

    • People say this but, if advertising didn’t work, companies would have stopped paying for ads long time ago. It works for them, we view ads and then we are willing to pay more for a product that is worth less; it’s this simple.

      The only solution for us is to avoid ads at all cost.

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    I moved to Linux, use Freetube, LineageOS on the phone, listen all day to internet radios from the command line, browser with uBlock add on and it’s been years since I saw or listened an ad.

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    Another word for “marketing” or “advertisement” is Manipulation. Shady, manipulative, tactics.

    Fuck them. I love Lemmy because it seems like the ratio of like-minded people is much larger here. Nothing better than seeing other principled people that would rather give up some comforts than deal with ads and bend the knee to the pieces of shit that try to push them.

    Even products in the supermarket (such as bread!!) come with ads in the fucking plastic wrapper. I have changed my bread brand due to this. I will absolutely give up any comfort to avoid your manipulation. I will fucking shower in cold water if it means I don’t bend the knee to pieces of shit.

    • comfy ( comfy@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Another word for “marketing” or “advertisement” is Manipulation.

      Don’t worry they’ve solved that, it’s called 🩷 𝐼𝓃𝒻𝓁𝓊𝑒𝓃𝒸𝒾𝓃𝑔 😎. That’s much less ominous! They just influence!

  • aeischeid ( aeischeid@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Not just personal mind poison, but societal poison too. Most of our media companies are just ad businesses with whatever they portray as their main products as window dressing. Meta, Google, NYT, all TV networks, even NPR is increasingly funded by ads. I was hopeful in the shift to paid streaming services this might change, and it did sort of, for a while, but increasingly they too are turning to ads.

    • eldavi ( eldavi@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Not just personal mind poison, but societal poison too.

      i came to realize this when when my home built router died a few months ago.

      it was based on pfsense and i had setup publicly shared advertisement blocking; so i hadn’t see any ad at all for years.

      i became annoyed when i started seeing them after the router died and then i actively became angry when i was bombarded by them while watching tv as i was visiting family, yet they didn’t think anything was wrong with watching the same mcdonalds advertisement 500x in a single hour.

      that shit has an impact on your psyche whether you know right away or not.

  • James R Kirk ( Kirk@startrek.website ) 
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    This may be a hot take here but I do not actually hate the concept of “paying money to promote a product or service”. However, in practice I can hardly think of an advertising method that I find tolerable in the slightest due to the manipulation tactics. When you look at vintage photos advertising is usually some hand painted sign on the side of a bus stop that says “Try Zuckerman’s Flour!” I don’t hate that, but we also don’t have that.

    • Aceticon ( Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      For me the problem use to be it having gone from “Our product is great and here’s why” style of adverts to the psychological manipulation shit (image of beautiful woman seducing handsome man, queue name of perfume).

      I’m fine with people trying to convince me but detest when they try to manipulate me.

      However the recent tendency to relentlessly shove it in front of me ALL THE TIME does get on my nerves - it’s like getting constantly harassed by a shameless salesman with no respect for other people.

    • There is this little community here on Lemmy focussing on vintage german ads:

      /c/die_reklame@feddit.org

      Ads have changed, but those ads telling you that your body is ugly and that you need $product to change it are old and have been around since the 19th century and the beginnings of modern advertisements. It is also quite interesting how old some of the usual scams are. There are currently people on TikTok scamming people with some method invented in the 1800s

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        Yeah good points there, and I certainly didn’t mean to imply ads were historically better on the whole. Ads from a a century ago also featured a significantly greater amount of flat out lying about their products, especially when it came to medicines and “tonics”.

        But even if we accept that their honesty has improved (dubious) I do think advertising today has become more intrusive, and the function of advertising is today is more about disrupting our focus than it ever has been.

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    No kidding, if I happen to hear an ad on a tv or radio I’m passing by I plug my ears and go lalalalala until I or it are gone. I truly can’t stand them that much, it’s a psychotic invention meant to constantly brainwash you into becoming a mindless consumption robot and I refuse to partake.

  • Seefra 1 ( sefra1@lemmy.zip ) 
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    Even if you adblock and sponsorblock. Advertisement is everywhere. It’s on tv series and films as product placements. It’s on every bus stop, metro station, in the form of billboards, every casually on TV even muted still showing ads on the corner of your eye, or just company logos, even every single product you buy comes with a damn logo on it.

    Bought a new pair of shoes, new headphones, new pair of fucking glasses? Which you need to wear everyday and can’t see without them? Enjoy being a walking billboard for everyone who looks at you.

    This drives me crazy and yes, I do hide most logos I can with a permanent marker, and even then it’s not enough.