I made a post asking specifically for DC fans their opinions. The people who responded aren’t actual fans—they’re just people who think they are fans but have never picked up a comic in their life. My question is: why do non-fans try so hard to engage with real fans?? You aren’t a real fan of DC, Marvel, or anything superhero-related, so you don’t deserve to be in the fandom space.
IMO, you can only be considered a fan if you have one or more blades that are angled in such a way so that they push air in one direction to create a current of air for cooling or ventilation.
But what if I’m a bladeless fan?
No true fan is bladeless.
The world is full of people who don’t see things the same as you. Instead of posting to get reassurance that you are right and others are wrong, get used to existing alongside people you don’t like or agree with.
I almost gave the benefit of the doubt, and was going to talk about people wanting to feel included or trying to connect with others. I thought you were talking about people that have never owned a tuba or heard one played coming in to give an opinion on a tuba. But then you go and talk about “real fans” like an idiot. The only thing that is required to be a “real fan” is to enjoy the thing and consider yourself a fan. If you only want the opinion of people that have read the same comic, then specify that exactly. You’ll still get other people chipping in, but at least you wouldn’t be gatekeeping.
And how about this, instead of deriding these “fake fans” as you see them, how about you try to sell them on the thing you love and recruit them into enjoying it as well? “Oh, you think you enjoy tubas now? Just wait until you read this tuba story! You’ll love it!”
The people in my previous post have a problem with Batman being a billionaire and recruiting kids. If you were a real fan, you would suspend disbelief and realize it’s a fictional story. We watch Law & Order because they live in a world where cops actually care about victims, and we want to live in a world where cops are reformed and act like them. We are aware that it’s unrealistic, but we suspend disbelief.
Batman being rich—same with Iron Man—is just a part of the character, so suspend disbelief. Robin and Batgirl have been a part of Batman lore for centuries. The reason I say they aren’t real fans is because they aren’t—they hop on the Batman bandwagon hate train because it’s popular. That’s it.
They don’t have this same criticism for Green Arrow, Blue Beetle, Emma Frost, Kate Bishop, Swordsman, Sunspot, and every other rich superhero. They don’t have a problem with the rest of the league that recruits children as sidekicks. If you don’t like Batman because he’s rich and has a sidekick, that’s fine—but extend that same level of dislike to every other rich superhero. That’s all—be consistent.
If you are a real fan and have an issue with Batman, then I would have to assume this same argument applies to the characters I just mentioned.
In Absolute Batman, Bruce isn’t rich—he’s a working-class construction worker. And for an “altering what-if” story, that’s fine. But you still have to explain some things, because him being “poor” plays no part in the story at all. He still has gadgets, a Batmobile, a dump truck, etc. He never struggles with money, and Martha is still alive. So again, please explain: how does he have all this equipment if he’s not wealthy? And why be Batman if his mom is alive? Please explain this.
I’m not going to explain jack shit about Absolute Batman, because I’ve never read it. You can be a fan of something while still being critical of it, but yeah, how you explain it there doesn’t sound like they are fans to begin with. So, probably just want to be included in the discussion. You’re going to get that anywhere with any topic.
The whole “never read a comic” part though just hurts any argument.
“never read a comic” part though just hurts any argument.
Actually, no, it doesn’t hurt any argument, and I will prove it to you.
Let’s look at some arguments against Batman.
“He beats up poor people.”
You could, again, say this about any rich superhero, but Batman doesn’t “beat up poor people.” Most of the people he fights are rich and wealthy crime lords who hurt innocent people in his city. That’s what the entire Court of Owls storyline is about. And even if the criminals are poor, these are still people who are going out of their way to choose to rape, kill, and maim people. The criminals who are criminals because they are poor—Batman gives them tons of job opportunities.
If someone is a pimp who pimps out underage girls, and is a rapist, an assassin, or a gang leader, should we not stop them because “they are poor”? Especially when they make so much money they could retire or go legit?
“He beats up the mentally ill.”
Again, Joker is doing what he’s doing because he wants to, and this is an insult to mentally ill people, because there are tons of mentally ill people who choose not to commit evil acts and want to treat their mental illness. Batman’s rogues gallery is not—and again, most supervillains are mentally ill—so this point is stupid.
“He recruits children.”
Teen Titans—the sidekicks of damn near every League member. And then they might say, “Well, they have powers.” They are still fighting threats that can kill them. Also, by this argument, you’re basically saying a teen should not be a superhero because he has no powers.
“Why doesn’t he use his wealth to help Gotham?”
Literally every comic, animated show, and movie shows he’s using his wealth to help Gotham.
People who use these arguments literally have not read a comic, nor are they Batman or DC/Marvel fans in general.
“probably just want to be included in the discussion”
If you have no real knowledge of something you can’t discuss it.
Anyone who dissects superheroes like that seems like an insufferable loser. I would just ignore them and move on.
There is no test you must pass in order to be called a fan, so Fandom is just something you decide you are. It’s just the way it is.
Maybe you could start a “True DC comics fan” certification exam, and then you can create a private community where only true certified DC comics fans are allowed to join. Then you can be assured that only real fans can answer your questions.
Sounds like you are gatekeeping to me
Maybe you should ask in the DC comics comms and not the general ask one. So you know, it goes to people who choose to see DC stuff and not to all of the fediverse. The problem for you exists between the keyboard and the chair.
