Okay, I can’t believe I have to even explain that.

Misogyny is about discriminating against women. Racism is about discriminating based on “race”. Xenophobia is about discriminating based on nationality/origin.

All of those are forms of discrimination. They’re all bigotry. And they’re all related in modern times to fascism, yes. And if you don’t agree, then you’re obviously bullshitting because there is no way you would have missed how discrimination has evolved over the past decades, with people that would have used the same rhetoric as you back then, now doing nazi salutes, committing genocide and exterminating minorities.

If you don’t see the link - well, then you do, but you’re full of shit. Once again, sealioning.

This comes from the fact that there’s less and less space between actual nazis and “just far-right extremists”.

And I think people don’t really see a point anymore in trying to find a difference, me included.

So I have to spell out for you that showing people fighting sexism as people who do not know what they want and just complain about everything, or that showing a woman as a weird primitive monkey as soon as she doesn’t talk nicely and politely, is a problem?

You’re just proving my point exactly, continue sealioning as much as you want

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Because no one gives a shit about animals. I mean, gives even less of a shit than they do with humans.

https://lemmy.world/post/45557825

Here’s an example.

https://lemmy.world/post/45513297

Here’s another.

This user in particular is one of the main issues of this community, most of their posts are like that.

But I know that you’re just asking for an example to try to attack it, and there’s not really any point, because if you don’t see the problem from that link, a conversation cannot do enough.

No it wouldn’t because everything is not black and white. Support has different shapes, it’s not all about carrying a sign that says “I support <X>”. Inaction is a form of support, that is not the same as actually doing the thing. Not caring is a form of support when it’s about an asymmetrical interaction, where a side is advantaged above the other, because “not caring” means that you are fine with the expected outcome of the dominant side winning. When this side is bigotry, you are fine with bigotry, which makes you a bigot (because to not be a bigot, you need to see bigotry as a problem). If you don’t care about a rapist trying to rape someone, then you are fine with the conclusion of the victim being raped, which means that you support rape.

The only time where not caring means being neutral, is when the outcomes are completely and equally random. You can not care about flipping a coin if it’s just 50/50. But that’s not the case when it comes to things like discrimination, where it’s clearly established that people discriminating are advantaged over people being discriminated against. If you don’t care, then you’re fine with discrimination, and you are supporting it. Even if you’re not screaming that minorities should die.

I was never saying that it’s completely the same, I was saying that it is supporting an aggressor to let them attack others without reacting. And yes, there are justified reasons, none of which is “I don’t care”

So according to your logic, if you walk past someone being raped or murdered and you don’t give a shit and move on, it’s completely fine, because you’re just being neutral? You would consider that not helping the victim, doesn’t help the aggressor?

How do you even manage to convince yourself of such a logic?

So for you, discrimination and fascism should only be fought against when on a gigantic scale? As long as it’s not the president of a country, you don’t care?

“My neighbour is insulting black people in the street but you know, it’s just a little racial slur a few times per day, it’s not like it’s actual Hitler living next to me, so I don’t care”

How does that kind of logic even make sense?

I don’t know why there are so many enlightened centrists on lemmy lately but it’s really gross.

People spreading horrible ideologies hurt everyone, even if not directly. Lower exposure doesn’t change that.

Hiding your head in the sand doesn’t fix problems.

Also, going form what the conversation was, to “the most frightened person censors everything for everyone” is one of the most gigantic slippery slopes I’ve seen. Blocking sexist, homophobic, racist, transphobic, or discriminatory in whatever other way, content is not “censoring everything for everyone”, it’s not even censoring, it’s telling the hostile pieces of shit that try to destroy society to shut up. And people who want to see that kind of crap can do it on 4chan or whatever shithole so here, there’s no censorship at all.

The more you talk the worse you look, by the way, so you should wonder what kind of message you’re trying to convey. For now it’s looking a lot like enlightened centrism.

As I said, good for you to be privileged enough to have never felt unsafe because of that.

Now get out of your own ass and understand that not everyone is like that, and that if people here are agreeing on the opposite, maybe it means that you’re not the general rule.

If you are standing by when an oppressor is oppressing, then you are participating in it.

Accepting the idea that being passive is neutral, is a horrible moral stance that is always advantaging the oppressors.

If it is your stance, you are participating in letting the oppressors do whatever they want, which is supporting them.

There’s a reason why you can be condemned for seeing someone getting attacked and doing nothing. This “neutral” stance has been known to be a piece of shit stance for centuries.

In Europe it is still there, far right extremists love to complain about cancel culture, about being censored, etc.

But yeah, they generally prefer to sue for defamation when someone criticises them

There’s things like URLCheck that allow you to check and decide on how URLs are handled, but it might be overkill

Not caring is supporting bigotry.

“I don’t support nazis, I just don’t care if they conquer the world” is not really a good sentence to say.

It is really sad that now, when someone mentions “freedom of speech” I automatically see it as a red flag, despite freedom of speech being a good thing. Nazis really mess up everything.

You wouldn’t feel unsafe seeing posts by people that are basically saying that you shouldn’t exist, or that you’re worth less than other humans?

Good for you that you’re so privileged you never had to face discrimination.

When a question tries to make you swallow a bullshit payload, if feels like a manipulative question rather than a stupid one.

This post implies that the obvious norms are:

• you already are reading the bible and believe in it
• you would want to read it in prison, and could
• the only alternative is to go into other religious books and religions

If someone asks “are black people the only inferior ones, or is it the case for asian people too?” it’s not a stupid question, it’s not even a question, it’s an attack. And while there is more room for doubt in the question of the post, it is still loaded with religious propaganda which is shitty as fuck.

The argument of censorship is bullshit. If a comic is made to discriminate, it is basic decency to get rid of it. If an author makes themselves known by being discriminatory, no platform that cares about user safety and having a non-toxic community needs to get rid of them. It’s as simple as that.

When you refuse that kind of “censorship”, you are only making it clear that you like making this place unsafe for the people being attacked. Which makes you a piece of shit in my book.

So yeah, let’s just ban these things that have no reason to exist, let alone on lemmy.