Thought-terminating cliche, easier to disregard someone with coherent arguments and a humane outlook on Ukraine than to engage in a framework contradicting the propaganda in your nation’s terms. I’ve explicitly told you how I’ve hosted Ukrainian refugees in my home, and I haven’t told you how much I’ve donated to Ukrainian individuals, but you’d rather disregard me as a “Ukrainian hater” despite my actions.
As I said:
If you’re interested and worried about the well-being of Ukrainian people, we can argue if you want about the biggest demographic crisis in Ukraine since WW2
It seems that you’re not genuinely interested in that and you’re arguing purely in nationalist terms, so yeah, you’ve proven your bad faith and your lack of willingness to discuss the current issues of Ukraine outside your pro-western framework. So yeah, I guess we are done.
Imagine living in borderline fascist countries and believing that the fascist-free Chinese model is worse by any metric.
They are correct, though, and they’re not arguing for elimination of Ukrainians, they’re disagreeing with the modern, western-manufactured idea of the “holodomor” as a willing manmade famine directed to Ukraine in particular with the intention of ethnic cleansing, which is entirely unsupported and a fringe position in actual modern evidence-based historiographical analysis. There was a USSR-wide famine due to unforeseen consequences of rapid collectivization, which had to be carried out this way to pursue the rapid industrialization that saved all Slavic ethnicities from being exterminated by Nazis. This rapid collectivization and industrialization ended up saving a hundred million lives from extermination at the hands of Nazism, and also gave rise to unprecedented life expectancy in the region through the elimination of famines altogether after that (excluding ww2), which were previously commonplace throughout the history of the region.
The argument is not “fuck Ukrainians, they deserved the holodomor”, it’s “I’m angry when I have to constantly engage with the western-manufactured and nazi-peddled conspiracy theories of genocide against Ukrainians during the Soviet Union”. You surely understand that the user is angry at this.
If you’re interested and worried about the well-being of Ukrainian people, we can argue if you want about the biggest demographic crisis in Ukraine since WW2, which has been the transition to capitalism:
Suffice it to say, I dont support the state model of the current Russian Republic, and I honestly believe that Ukrainians lived better under Socialism than they do now, they were already the most impoverished nation in Europe before the war after 30 years of neoliberalism and corruption. Now they’ve gone from being an industrial powerhouse of the USSR with guaranteed healthcare, education, housing and employment, to being a playground for war games of the Russian Republic and the western empire.
The World Health Organization (WHO) defines violence as “the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation”
Withholding basic stuffs like housing through state violence is definitely a form of violence
Claiming that not having a socialist state was/is the right alternative in the historical context is materially identical to advocating for the genocide of all non-German ethnicities between Berlin and the Urals and the colonization of China at the hands of Europe, Japan and the US.
Great, so now you’re moving the goalposts from hexbear users saying “Ukrainians should be wiped out” to “the Ukrainian government has a Nazi problem”, at least you realized how utterly ridiculous your first claim was.
Also, “not that Russia’s invasion had anything to do with that” is literally the opposite of Russian propaganda, Russian propaganda explicitly claims that the purpose of the invasion was to denazify Ukraine’s government, so claiming that the invasion had nothing to do with that is explicitly saying that the propaganda is false.
It’s a much more sensible and reasonable claim about politics and geopolitics that doesn’t wish any evil on Ukrainians, as I originally argued. You may disagree with it as I said, but again, idk why you feel so compelled to bring this whataboutism in a post about fundraising for Palestine. It seems to me that you couldn’t easily find anything contradicting what I said, so you moved the goalposts and tried to make it sound different?
Edit: holy shit you’re being disingenuous, the post you’re quoting literally says the following: “the working people of ukraine are suffering due to the profitable war mongering of capitalist powers” right before what you pasted here. I will now proceed to disengage with you because you just proved to me that you’re not arguing in good faith, you’re making shit up, moving the goalposts and cherrypicking quotes then misinterpreting them willingly.
Everything can be true when you make shit up! :)
Sure, the Soviets should have just dismantled the state, that would have totally not led to Nazis exterminating everyone between Berlin and the Urals as they claimed to desire! Dismantling socialist states is something you should totally realistically desire while there still exist capitalist and fascist empires! China should have totally dismantled its state too, surely wouldn’t have become a colonized English territory again as during the opium wars killing tens of millions! /s
and it should be wiped out and returned to russia
You are definitely making this up, saying something like this would first get you dunked and then banned, feel free to do the experiment. I’m saying this as both a frequent hexbear user and someone who hosted a Ukrainian refugee in my own home at the beginning of the war. Again, not the correct post or community to be arguing about this shit.
The only way to fend off far-right parties is to elect governments that will actually take action to make people’s lives better
Funny/sad story: in Spain, a party called Podemos was proposing such policy. The deep state together with capitalist oligarchs orchestrated a defamation campaign consisting of firstly manufacturing false evidence of funding of the party and its leaders by Venezuela and Iran, and then to leak this misinformation to capitalist media and run it 24/7. There’s nothing we can do until we stop listening to all mainstream media and ban them all
Insulating oneself from American internet platforms may be a lofty goal, unfortunately the Russian version of the internet isn’t much better. China did a much better job and now they don’t have vaccine deniers, they didn’t suffer from people refusing to wear facemasks, and they aren’t about to have a far right coup
Are three fundraisers for Palestine not good enough for you? I don’t think this is the correct community or post to expose such animosity, this fundraiser is a good thing for people who are suffering under Isntreals thumb and I believe that should be the focus: if you want to own hexbears epic style, the best way to do so would be to organize your own fundraiser outside hexbear for Palestinians.
In my experience, hexbears have no animosity towards Ukrainians. I don’t want to get political because this is not the appropriate comm for this, you can disagree with the geopolitical analysis of the situation with hexbears but they surely don’t want Ukrainians thrown into a meat grinder (nor Russians for that matter) and have no animosity for Ukrainians as a people, in a similar way to how many people criticise the Iranian government’s policy without hating on Iranian people.
Good shit indeed
Third such fundraiser in hexbear, maybe it’s time to reconsider who’s the worst person :P
Yeah, awesome stuff tbh
AFAIK it’s the third such fundraiser from over there
Right they can print the money to pay their debts… What happens then? Inflation
Sure, buddy, giving currency to China somehow generates inflation in the domestic economy. You’re literally making stuff up as you go, and you’re showing it
If they taught you Keynesian economics in econ 101 you can consider yourself lucky
So they actually tackle problematic issues instead of indiscriminate censorship, and that sounds like a worse alternative to you than “absolute freedom of speech in capitalist/Nazi-owned social networks”?