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No, theres a lack of accountabillity and safety in the design that continually pops up and galvanizes the extreme political right. Y’all are profoundly unserious and closed-minded about insisting a morally problematic program with the best of intentions actually be robust and sustainable and doing no harm to the citizens who are the actual stakeholders

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Nobidys saying prosecute refugees before they’ve done anything wrong. Why would it be so outrageous and unthinkable to require any applicant basically participate in basically everything that ended up needing to be done anyway when this particular refugee was fighting his charges but front-load that and ensure that anyone we take in is not only sized up but also supported to get them up to speed and compatible with an entirely different society/expectations? If all these things and this whole case writ large comes down to medical, it could have easily been the price of admission if the system gave a fuck about doing no or least harm

Am i sounding like im on crazy pills here? Like, those things you said we have to trade only need apply to whoever is a citizen and is not a discretionary matter in terms of acceptance or having to account for. Refugees are or should be 1000% discretionary, they are a luxury that ostensibly only rich societies can accomodate and its sort of disingenuous to conflate them with citizens in that way. Who’s going to sue in what forum if we are intellignent and do the very least of the laziest due dilligence and give enough of shit that we dont just set a cultural alien loose in an alien society where they are basically already teed up to fail before anything has even been done for everyone to adjust safely

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Ill admit the indefinite supervision part usually gets overshadowed. Its the best place for him but there was a far better time and set of circumstances for it which was when he arrived

It just sucks that it always takes citizens first being aggregiously harmed to the point of total destruction for the system to do what it should have been doing as a condition of admission. How hard would it be to supervise them while they adjust and make sure they’ve been evaluated by hired government psychiatrists dealing with refugees etc to make sure they are stable or they are moved along to the help they need in a safe, detached environment?

All these arguments essentially saying “Compassion, fucknuts” miss how uncompassionate and irresponsible it is to after taking in likely traumatized, vulnerable people and expecting them to drop all their habits and cultural baggage such that they’re just one of the gang now and everyone’ll be fine. If they qualify for asylum they’ve been thru some shit, they need intensive care and reintegration, not daddies credit card to max out and go wild. Thats insane but its the universal policy i guess

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Compassion is a noble thing but its more often a thing where it makes people who live in mansions surrounded by gates in charge of the system look good while an average person or multiple people end up dead due to a lack of vetting and supervision by the look-gooders thru their indiscriminate and unbuffered “compassion” cases and its frustrating.

A girl gets raped and murdered by a Syrian refugee because he wasnt properly vetted/supervised and everyone wants to drown that out with domestic statistics when its irrelevant and was entirely preventable.

I guess that one’s on the girl and her parents, they should have read the 1950s refugee agreements as suggested, would cleared everything right up. They should have known better.

World gotta spin

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It seems odd that someone from Syria needs to seek asylum all the way across the Atlantic Ocean for what is essentially a local issue, particularly the idea it cannot be a neighboring safe region that happens to lack a certain je ne sais quois. At a certain point it seems there is convenience being sought, who else is guranteed convenience or preference when their life is otherwise ostensibly on the line and gets to have that indulged?

The idea that of course they cant be integrated, thats idiotic, I honestly dont know what to say to that other than that should be part of the deal. It should go without saying that someone seeking asylum should be aware theres participation on their part expected, otherwise they are free to shop around other venues where they can get the band back together and revive the practices and customs and issues that led to their needing to leave the original place. Theres not a way I can make that make sense in my head

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Nah, Im more thinking like a prosecutor

If his dissociation wasnt triggered until he recognized the police in pursuit until after he was identified as operating a vehicle in an improper manner, how can they resolve his criminal liabillity after before the fact?

How can his PTSD be used after before the fact to justify his originally unlawful and dangerous operation of a vehicle and leaving the scene of an accident after the fact and use the excuse of his PTSD was activated after he was caught operating a vehicle unlicensed thru his objectively DANGEROUS (==improper) driving?

Like even if his PTSD was activated in a way that makes him NCR selectively after the fact, there were crimes before that they can nail him with like dangerous driving that should presumably be applied before that that ensure he’s given a criminal conviction and he is further sanctioned.

This is also the problem with accepting random refugees from random nations with no analysis about who is entering and what their cultural/legal awareness is, or that of their relatives that make these resources available for them to cause such damage.

At a certain point, there needs to be a counterargument of “He’s guilty of operating a motor vehicle knowing full well he was never authorized to do so and his failure to obey the law resulted in several deaths rhat would not hsve occured had he not had access to a motor vehicle or even better not been in the country to have committed the wrongfuk act that led to unwarranted multiple civillian deaths"

Like, how do you seriously argue this as a case of racism when he had zero reason to be here but even less reason to have believed he was authorized to drive at all?

Please, by all means, try to argue he had any discernable means of believeing he had any reason to try and drive when he was objectively unlicensed, he had likely not recieced driving lessons, etc.

Its almost like random ass people with zero adjudicated value to the Canadian economy shouldnt be fastracked to be able to enter or stay in the country and whoever allowed that by loosening standards to enable that kind of outcome absent any prolonged supervision should be also held accountable.

Almost like they should have to prove on an objecitvely provable basis that nobody but Canada would accept them. It shouldnt matter that their relatives are all Canadian, that never should have been a fastpass for people objectively unable to understand there are laws and systems to try and prevent what they on their unscrutinized entry have immediately caused despite the best of legal intentions.

Why are we so willing to eagerly accept new potential competing wage slaves that legally and practically destroy existing standards of living and also standards of conduct that make everyone already here less safe?

At the end of the day, he should be unarguably bound bsck for Syria after his sentence concludes if not before then and just be inadmissable on reentry attempt. Whoever allowed for this should be held legally just as liable for any of his damages. This case, like the random indian truck driver who killed the Humbold kids, should be just as much attributed to whoever politically enabked such outrageous entries.

The fact that someone who never should have even been here despite all common sense (how many safe areas ajacent to Syria were available for him to immediately flee to prior to the literal ocean-away Canada) managed to be unconditionally accepted and unsupervised to the point he literally murdered several native canadian citizens thru no fault of their own) is beyond aggregious. Whoever allowed him to enter should be co-serving a lifetime murder sentence for allowing the potential of unmitigated harm he was allowed to faciley enter despite the basis of

Sounds like he could have been psychologically evaluated before he was allowed entry. Fucking weird as fuck how this never happens until they’ve caused untold damage and some private citizen or defense group has to cough up the expert evaluation+testimony that instead cements the harm and even gets them off their charges.

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he suffered from (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) PTSD on the evening of September 25, 2022,

that the PTSD led to a dissociative state triggered by Mr. Al Jalmoud’s encounter with the police officers in the white minivan [after the fact]

, and that Mr. Al Jalmoud was in a dissociative state until he woke up in the hospital hours later.

So the police triggered his PTSD after the fact of him driving knowing he had no license or skills to drive?

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No, theres a lack of accountabillity and safety in the design that continually pops up and galvanizes the extreme political right. Y’all are profoundly unserious and closed-minded about insisting a morally problematic program with the best of intentions actually be robust and sustainable and doing no harm to the citizens who are the actual stakeholders

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Nobidys saying prosecute refugees before they’ve done anything wrong. Why would it be so outrageous and unthinkable to require any applicant basically participate in basically everything that ended up needing to be done anyway when this particular refugee was fighting his charges but front-load that and ensure that anyone we take in is not only sized up but also supported to get them up to speed and compatible with an entirely different society/expectations? If all these things and this whole case writ large comes down to medical, it could have easily been the price of admission if the system gave a fuck about doing no or least harm

Am i sounding like im on crazy pills here? Like, those things you said we have to trade only need apply to whoever is a citizen and is not a discretionary matter in terms of acceptance or having to account for. Refugees are or should be 1000% discretionary, they are a luxury that ostensibly only rich societies can accomodate and its sort of disingenuous to conflate them with citizens in that way. Who’s going to sue in what forum if we are intellignent and do the very least of the laziest due dilligence and give enough of shit that we dont just set a cultural alien loose in an alien society where they are basically already teed up to fail before anything has even been done for everyone to adjust safely

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Ill admit the indefinite supervision part usually gets overshadowed. Its the best place for him but there was a far better time and set of circumstances for it which was when he arrived

It just sucks that it always takes citizens first being aggregiously harmed to the point of total destruction for the system to do what it should have been doing as a condition of admission. How hard would it be to supervise them while they adjust and make sure they’ve been evaluated by hired government psychiatrists dealing with refugees etc to make sure they are stable or they are moved along to the help they need in a safe, detached environment?

All these arguments essentially saying “Compassion, fucknuts” miss how uncompassionate and irresponsible it is to after taking in likely traumatized, vulnerable people and expecting them to drop all their habits and cultural baggage such that they’re just one of the gang now and everyone’ll be fine. If they qualify for asylum they’ve been thru some shit, they need intensive care and reintegration, not daddies credit card to max out and go wild. Thats insane but its the universal policy i guess

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Compassion is a noble thing but its more often a thing where it makes people who live in mansions surrounded by gates in charge of the system look good while an average person or multiple people end up dead due to a lack of vetting and supervision by the look-gooders thru their indiscriminate and unbuffered “compassion” cases and its frustrating.

A girl gets raped and murdered by a Syrian refugee because he wasnt properly vetted/supervised and everyone wants to drown that out with domestic statistics when its irrelevant and was entirely preventable.

I guess that one’s on the girl and her parents, they should have read the 1950s refugee agreements as suggested, would cleared everything right up. They should have known better.

World gotta spin

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It seems odd that someone from Syria needs to seek asylum all the way across the Atlantic Ocean for what is essentially a local issue, particularly the idea it cannot be a neighboring safe region that happens to lack a certain je ne sais quois. At a certain point it seems there is convenience being sought, who else is guranteed convenience or preference when their life is otherwise ostensibly on the line and gets to have that indulged?

The idea that of course they cant be integrated, thats idiotic, I honestly dont know what to say to that other than that should be part of the deal. It should go without saying that someone seeking asylum should be aware theres participation on their part expected, otherwise they are free to shop around other venues where they can get the band back together and revive the practices and customs and issues that led to their needing to leave the original place. Theres not a way I can make that make sense in my head

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Nah, Im more thinking like a prosecutor

If his dissociation wasnt triggered until he recognized the police in pursuit until after he was identified as operating a vehicle in an improper manner, how can they resolve his criminal liabillity after before the fact?

How can his PTSD be used after before the fact to justify his originally unlawful and dangerous operation of a vehicle and leaving the scene of an accident after the fact and use the excuse of his PTSD was activated after he was caught operating a vehicle unlicensed thru his objectively DANGEROUS (==improper) driving?

Like even if his PTSD was activated in a way that makes him NCR selectively after the fact, there were crimes before that they can nail him with like dangerous driving that should presumably be applied before that that ensure he’s given a criminal conviction and he is further sanctioned.

This is also the problem with accepting random refugees from random nations with no analysis about who is entering and what their cultural/legal awareness is, or that of their relatives that make these resources available for them to cause such damage.

At a certain point, there needs to be a counterargument of “He’s guilty of operating a motor vehicle knowing full well he was never authorized to do so and his failure to obey the law resulted in several deaths rhat would not hsve occured had he not had access to a motor vehicle or even better not been in the country to have committed the wrongfuk act that led to unwarranted multiple civillian deaths"

Like, how do you seriously argue this as a case of racism when he had zero reason to be here but even less reason to have believed he was authorized to drive at all?

Please, by all means, try to argue he had any discernable means of believeing he had any reason to try and drive when he was objectively unlicensed, he had likely not recieced driving lessons, etc.

Its almost like random ass people with zero adjudicated value to the Canadian economy shouldnt be fastracked to be able to enter or stay in the country and whoever allowed that by loosening standards to enable that kind of outcome absent any prolonged supervision should be also held accountable.

Almost like they should have to prove on an objecitvely provable basis that nobody but Canada would accept them. It shouldnt matter that their relatives are all Canadian, that never should have been a fastpass for people objectively unable to understand there are laws and systems to try and prevent what they on their unscrutinized entry have immediately caused despite the best of legal intentions.

Why are we so willing to eagerly accept new potential competing wage slaves that legally and practically destroy existing standards of living and also standards of conduct that make everyone already here less safe?

At the end of the day, he should be unarguably bound bsck for Syria after his sentence concludes if not before then and just be inadmissable on reentry attempt. Whoever allowed for this should be held legally just as liable for any of his damages. This case, like the random indian truck driver who killed the Humbold kids, should be just as much attributed to whoever politically enabked such outrageous entries.

The fact that someone who never should have even been here despite all common sense (how many safe areas ajacent to Syria were available for him to immediately flee to prior to the literal ocean-away Canada) managed to be unconditionally accepted and unsupervised to the point he literally murdered several native canadian citizens thru no fault of their own) is beyond aggregious. Whoever allowed him to enter should be co-serving a lifetime murder sentence for allowing the potential of unmitigated harm he was allowed to faciley enter despite the basis of

Sounds like he could have been psychologically evaluated before he was allowed entry. Fucking weird as fuck how this never happens until they’ve caused untold damage and some private citizen or defense group has to cough up the expert evaluation+testimony that instead cements the harm and even gets them off their charges.

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he suffered from (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) PTSD on the evening of September 25, 2022,

that the PTSD led to a dissociative state triggered by Mr. Al Jalmoud’s encounter with the police officers in the white minivan [after the fact]

, and that Mr. Al Jalmoud was in a dissociative state until he woke up in the hospital hours later.

So the police triggered his PTSD after the fact of him driving knowing he had no license or skills to drive?

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Alredy there, bruh. Logikly, its gotta be at least nominally better than orally yeeting it into the open air


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