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Seems they can get the necessary 2/3 of the 199 seats to start righting the changes done by Orban
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Because he finds thanking him so important; I want to thank vice president jdvance for his visit to Hungary to help make sure the opposition would win.
Fucking finally.
Eat shit, fascists.
Just reading the title gave me a huge smile.
I thought they rigged everything so this wouldn’t be remotely possible. It gives me some hope.
To be clear, Magyar is also a fascist but a bit less mask-off about his corruption. It’s a (slight) improvement but not some progressive victory it’s touted to be.
How so? Hes aligned with the EU, aligned with Ukraine, and wants Russia to kick rocks. Hes also talked about unfucking hungary’s courts, media consolidation and electrion rules that the outgoing facist rigged.
He’s also extremely nationalist, anti-immigration, and his attitude to LGBT is silence (which is only marginally better than hatred)
Hes aligned with the EU
EU is a trading bloc and fascists love money. More extreme ones hate others more than they love money, but it’s not universal.
aligned with Ukraine, and wants Russia to kick rocks
There’s nothing stopping fascists from supporting Ukraine, there are plenty of nazis there too. It’s not as bad as russian propaganda makes it out to be but it is a reason why some on the right/far-right support it.
Hes also talked about unfucking hungary’s courts, media consolidation and electrion rules that the outgoing facist rigged.
This would be good overall. Whether he follows through with it or just re-fucks the institutions in his favor remains to be seen
Overall I’d say he’s like a Hungarian Meloni - a fascist (or close to one) willing to cooperate with liberals to make money together.
He’s against continuing Hungary’s further path to a dictatorship without due process or real elections, which is the best Hungary can get at the moment.
He’s also extremely nationalist, anti-immigration, and his attitude to LGBT is silence (which is only marginally better than hatred)
Can we stop the idpol a bit? He is also campaigning on wealth taxes, fighting back against oligarchs and corporations, anti-corruption, strong social safety nets paid by reclaimed wealth and so on.
What do you expect a politician to be if not nationalistic? He was running for national office. If anything, he supports international collaboration with pro-EU forces in the V4. He is not even staunchly anti-immigration, the whole thing with that was just pointing out hipocrisy in the government. Same with LGBT rights, in an ideal society it should just be normal and nobody should care, especially not the government.
If he tells Putler to pound sand, take the W.
perfect is the enemy of the good.
Excuse, what the fuck? No, Magyar is no fascist unless you’re one of these guys who just make a joke out of this word.
He’s a Christian democrat, not alt-right. Think CDU, not AFD.
Sorry, but not really, the Christian Democrats were in the govt coalition.
He ran on wealth taxes and going after the rich as well as corporations. He’s kind of a centrist populist, very much not like the CDU.
So the people that gave Hitler power?
Totally not fascist, just historically the only people to willingly allow fascists to take over in order to fight any kind of socioeconomic progress.
He just kicked the fascist out, try and keep up.
No, he kicked out a figure head fascist. I guarantee for six months after they take office they’ll come up with excuses for why Orban’s cronies shouldn’t be removed from their appointed positions, how they’re victims in all this taken in by said fascist, and why nothing of substance should change.
Like liberals always do.
The ratchet once again finds a resting position before the next crank.
Not every country’s politics is like the US. Please read up on Hungary in the past 2 years and you might get less cynical.
There is no “ratchet” in Hungary. It literally could not get worse save for going full-on Belarus. And the people, the party and even the electorate behind Magyar are people who mostly haven’t been in politics yet. The “ratchet” liberal party has been kicked out of politics this election along with the government. Explicitly because they were the do-nothing party.
Tisza can’t afford to be that.
It must be so exhausting being a tankie, always coming up with reasons why nothing is ever a good thing, no matter how severely they need to twist their logic, and smugly blaming it all on the liberals whom they call fascists while glossing over the actual fascists…
Couldn’t be me…
I did not ‘gloss over’ actual fascists, I’m simply not a naive optimist that believes repeating history is going to result in a different outcome.
The fact you think a single person runs a movement or ideology shows you have no possible inkling of an idea of what you’re talking about. The Nazis didn’t die off because Hitler (appointed by a liberal btw) killed himself. They didn’t die off period. Regardless of their furher.
When trump dies or loses favor, his movement will 100% still be active and a domineering force in the US.
When Orban gets out of office, if he leaves peacefully, his movement will still be in office across the country and still have outsized political influence resulting it being ‘politically unsafe’ to undo most of his damage.
This is true no matter the fascist. For fuck’s sake Italy elected a fascist party candidate relative of Mussolini – specifically because it’s not ‘hero worship’ that defines fascism.
Until you understand the mechanisms and causes of fascism you will be doomed to repeat the cycle of liberalism -> fascism -> liberalism. Forever, or at least until a strong enough communist uprising happens and kicks out the fascists.
You’re drifting away, son. Pay attention, we’re talking about modern day Hungary.
What’s the quote about people that refuse to learn history.
Is he more or less fascist than Orban 16 years ago?
Hard to say honestly. It feels about the same, Orban also started out as a pro-democracy and even somewhat liberal politician.
The party around him seems very different.
he’s a wife beater!
I CAN’T BELIEVE IT!!
AFTER J.D. VANCE TRAVELLED ALL THE WAY OVER TO CONVINCE EVERYONE TO VOTE FOR HIM!!??
Nobody expected that to backfire. What a crazy world we live in.
Pope Francis should have warned him.
Vance: Demolishing Papacies, Presidencies and Pleather
This is a pretty big deal for Europe. Finally some good news!
Get fucked!
No matter how you look at it. It’s a clear improvement for Europe.
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Fixed. Had my language set to Norwegian so I did not see the error.
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centre-right challenger Peter Magyar
Would that make his policy positions about on-par with the Democratic leadership in the USA?
I don’t know this case specifically, but usually USA Democrats are similar to Europe Right-far right, not center-right. Republicans are what we could say mad-right to most Europeans.
As bad as the Democratic leadership can be sometimes, I don’t see them as bad as Le Pen or the AfD, which I’d both consider far-right. I also don’t see the USA Democrats being cozy with Putin. Those positions would be where the USA Republicans are, and hence they are far-right.
Maybe using a one-dimensional scale to identify policy isn’t all that adequate?
I don’t disagree. I’d say a majority of policy positions should generally be the go-to definition. What, in your opinion, are all the policy positions of the Democratic leadership that would represent the majority of their policies to arrive at calling them far-right?
Disingenuous nonsense.
I used to know a guy in the UK Conservative Party (nice guy actually) and he told me that there was an expectation of them to maintain good relations with the US Republican Party, even though they had far more in common with the Democrats.
Not really. The equivalent of Dem leadership in Hungary has been the DK, which was extremely successful in the past 16 years of destroying any hope of a third option.
Tisza is the “third party” way done right. His policy positions include both nationalistic stuff like stronger representation of the Hungarian diaspora and socialistic stuff like wealth taxes.
He just beat Hungarian Hillary out of parliament completely.
