• Big_Boss_77@fedinsfw.app
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    11
    ·
    1 hour ago

    Imagine being such a world class fuck up that you fucking torpedo a 16 year long dictatorship by stumping for it for a week… that’s so incompetent it’s almost impressive.

  • JustTheWind@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    72
    ·
    3 hours ago

    Viktor fucking POS Orban steps down with more dignity after 16 years than our own home grown dictator wannabe did after 4. What a timeline to be alive in.

    • Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      14
      ·
      1 hour ago

      Probably because Orban actually fears backlash from his population. The US doesn’t seem to have to worry about that for some strange reason…

    • slaacaa@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      52 minutes ago

      Tbh that was a big surprise, nobody predicted that. Still, happy he did, it will make cleaning house much easier

  • fun_times@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    77
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    4 hours ago

    On the one hand, his ideology is more or less identical to Orban’s (he used to be a Fidesz party member until two tears ago).

    On the other hand, he is somewhat EU friendly, supports Ukraine and, most importantly, is the head of a different party. 16 years of Fidesz rule is over. That’s not nothing.

    • stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 hour ago

      Oh fucking please. Fidesz got hammered by corruption scandals in 2024, Magyar dramatically breaks from the party over corruption, and somehow builds a massive nationwide coalition in a matter of months? The Hungarian opposition somehow abandons all its beliefs and rallies around a politician who holds all Orban’s political views?

      The term for this is “planned opposition”.

      Magyar isn’t Orban’s rival. He’s Orban’s chosen successor.

      It’s easy to win an election if you own all the candidates.

      And y’all fell for it.

    • Derpgon@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      23
      ·
      3 hours ago

      He was known in the party as someone who disagreed on many decisions made by Orbán. He also stated it was not easy to leave and/or cut ties due to mafia-like behavior, fear of his or his family’s life. His wife was head of Ministry of Justice, which she was kicked out due to also going against Orbán’s wishes.

      You have to understand that Orbán is literally an oligarch with tons of money, ties to Russia and the underworld. Magyar only quite recently collected enough support (about 2 years ago I think) to start his own political movement.

      • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        3 hours ago

        Sure seems like a roundabout way of just… being in the EU.

        Are you British, by chance? What’s the mood on Brexit these days?

        • cynar@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          13
          ·
          3 hours ago

          The Brexit crowd have gone conspicuously silent about it. Their lack of crowing says a lot about it.

          Even before Brexit, the tide had turned, and that’s only gotten stronger. Unfortunately, the government had their vote and hammered it through. (The fact there was an EU rule change, on tax transparency, the next day, and would have embarrassed a lot of rich UK toffs had NOTHING to do with the timing)

          Unfortunately, the reform party is far too strong, and trying to drag us to the extreme right. Our “left wing” primary party (Labour) is now further right than the conservatives (center right party) traditionally sit.

          It’s… frustrating.

          • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            3 hours ago

            That sounds… British. Frustrating, in a frustratingly orderly way.

            Outside far-right politics must be making reform look bad in the UK though. Right? Like Hungary, Turkey, whatever’s going in Germany…

            • cynar@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              9
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              3 hours ago

              We are in a media bubble. Basically all our media is owned by a few rich arseholes and they bury a lot of anti right messages.

              The BBC used to be remarkably honest and independent from government. The conservatives getting their claws into it was the beginning of the real problems. Even worse, the BBC’s impartiality has been so sacrosanct that a lot of older people just believe it.

              A mild bit of light. The green party seems to also be making significant advances. Labour have often played the “don’t split the left vote” card on them. Now it looks like green is overtaking them in some areas. It just doesn’t show up well in a FPTP voting system.

              • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                3 hours ago

                Ah, moguls + FPTP strike again.

                Yeah, I can see Green gaining traction as climate/environmental problems start to grow. The British Isles are relatively sensitive. Though it seems Green has had its own controversy (kinda like the small parties here in the US have).

                • cynar@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  ·
                  3 hours ago

                  The UK is still a lot more multi party at the lower levels of government, compared to the US. Unfortunately it’s erring towards the US system, rather than away from it.

    • marx@piefed.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      62
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 hours ago

      Still a lot of work to do. His cronies still hold a ton of power and control much of the media.

      Magyar winning will get the headlines but Tisza getting a supermajority in parliament (which they seem on track to do but I don’t think is official yet) will be the much more important win. That’s where durable reform can be made.

      • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        4 hours ago

        Are there good signs these guys would make such reforms instead of holding onto the power given by changes made by Orban?

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          8
          ·
          3 hours ago

          They campaigned on wealth taxes, term limits for every member of parliament, an independent prosecutor’s office, joining the EPPO and so on.

          They have unlimited power right now, but are dependent on an extremely heterogenous voter base that would implode if they look the wrong way.

          Nothing is certain, but it could not look much better right now.

  • tirateimas@lemmy.pt
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    3 hours ago

    Great, lets see what changes now. It would be good to have Hungary “back” in the European Union. But it is too soon to tell.