Here's the context thread the quote is from: https://hexbear.net/post/4475762 (the line is from a comment, please don't bother the person who wrote the line).

I'm thinking, fascism has probably been stopped internally far more times than not? This quote is probably survivorship bias regarding a small number of particularly happenings. For the sake of the question, we'll define "fascism" to exclude things like Imperialism or lite-fascist things like liberalism, only because then the context thread would have been about leaving fascist countries for other fascist countries.

IDK I just felt like "fascism hasn't been stopped internally" needed some fact checking and revolutionary optimism.

  • Jabril [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    The reality is that we don't have any examples of fascism being stopped internally that are at all applicable to the US. If there are any examples to pull from, the conditions aren't very similar to the US, a nation which is already fascist and has no organized resistance to fascism. Not to mention the treat economy, settler colonial mindset, and technological advantage that fascists are in control of.

    It's important to have this analysis because it shifts what the purpose of organizing is. Most of the US left is still organizing within the concept of "we can beat fascism through ballot boxes and unions" which is just wrong and an utter waste of time and resources.

    Understanding that fascism is already here and supported by a significant portion of the citizens means the purpose of organizing is for survival of marginalized people during the looming collapse of the nation and the extreme repression that comes with it. Preparing for a hot civil war instead of midterms. Preparing to provide people's necessities when the economy falls apart. Preparing to protect people from being put into the camps.

    Revolutionary optimism lies in the global south, where imperialism is weakest. As the US cannibalizes itself, it will be forced to retreat from those places, opening up opportunity for revolution.

  • plinky [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    it required space program in spain/greece though. Or widespread protests in case of portugal/greece, with small possibility cause treat delivery system broke (due to oil shocks, although i haven't seen direct connections traced)

  • NewDark [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Hey, that's me! Absolutely if my perspective is flawed in some way I'm all ears. Interesting answers here already.