I saw this on another platform.
It continues to baffle me that people spend all this time consuming streamers and podcasters who are openly racist imperialist running dogs.
Why is this supposed to be bad? Hasan just had a nationwide spat with centrists over fact he won't vote for Newsom, it's not like Hasan won't ask hard-hitting questions and he's definitely going to bring up Palestine
Let the ghoul platform a pro-Palestinian voice; it only benefits the left
well you see i'm an ultra and i think that talking about electoralism as a political commentator because you accept that it is currently the entity that the masses still think of as the sole locus of political possibility is actually why people are electoralists and not because this is the most propagandized population on earth. i am very smart. hasan is bad for not forming a PSL cadre or telling gavin newsome he should get the wall. /s
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The idea that a twitch streamer is capable of promoting a current State governor of one of the largest states is delusional. That statement is comparable to the Establishment Democrats who believe Trump won because of the Joe Rogan podcast. Democrats lose because they have dogshit policies and because they support genocide, not because they don't have enough promotion. You can't "promote" Gavin Newsom, everyone already knows who he is.
If you believe that Gavin Newsom has a better chance at winning elections after appearing on a twitch stream, you would also have to be foolish enough to believe that Kamala lost because Trump went on Joe Rogan Experience.
He promotes him to his audience of kids which is unreachable otherwise to newscam. Or you think those kids are religiously watching msnbc? Why do you think he would go otherwise?
Of course different audiences are reachable through different people, trump appearing personable on right wing man channels did help him, not those channels. Now the margins was so big it didn’t matter, but it did do something.
I don’t think they know who he is, namely charming anti-interventionist guy loving transkids and lgbt rights
And that’s all ignoring semi-obvious before interview bullshitting of “oh, you trying to get small businesses license i can put you in touch” and then surprisingly maybe just so happens hasan attacks are not as vicious as they should be in next years
He promotes him to his audience of kids
- over half of Hasan:s audience is over 30
- over 80% is over 22 years old
Why do you think he would go otherwise?
Gavin wants to access the left audience, doesn't mean anyone is going to bite.
I don’t think they know who he is, namely charming anti-interventionist guy loving transkids and lgbt rights
Hasan has been shitting on Gavin any time he comes up and created a Twitter struggle session that spilled over on to this site just two weeks ago when he denounced him on another liberal podcast and said he'd vote third party.
I'm not saying the interview will be as incisive as Hexbear at large would like it to be, but there's no illusion or expectation of a friendly relationship, and I'm sure Gavin would prefer to not go on his stream at all if he felt like it was an option.
He and his consultants know where the wind is blowing, though. He blew some smoke about possibly halting funding to the entity this week (even though he jumped in a plane to get there for a photo op on Oct 8th). He and his consultants know that the left is growing, and will grow leading up to 2028. Hasan's prominence as a media figure will follow this trend, so he doesn't have a choice.
so much hasan hate is a combination of ignorance about using different rhetoric in different contexts, an ignorance that needing a popular leftist that talks at length about u.s. imperial violence, and an ignorance where they imagine that he could have formed a successfully revolutionary PSL supercadre had he not chosen to be a wealthy political commentator. he's not an organizer. i don't know why hexbear ultras want him to be one so bad when he's clearly much better at this.
Ive been vocally critical of our community for years for the failure to develop ourselves into a proper component of the propaganda pipeline. The Twitter brainworms run deep.
Its unfortunate because I think the site is just about on its last leg unless people want to figure this out. It wouldn't even be so crazy to position ourselves just to Hasan's left in the pipeline, but there is no room for ungrounded Hasan hate in that (grounded Hasan criticism is perfectly fine, and even necessary).
I think its beyond our capabilities, and probably not what people even want anyway, which is a more internationalist bent (which I appreciate about the site ofc). We would probably want to pipeline people off of somewhere on left-reddit for that but idk I haven't used reddit since we got banned.
i agree entirely. i like the site partly because it's effectively a hidey-hole from the most brain-poisoned liberals, but that isn't conducive to actually moving people further towards class consciousness and revolutionary organizing. i have my own grounded criticisms of hasan's work that i've articulated before here, but a lot of the ungrounded hate has reminded me that there are limitations to anti-sectarian spaces. we're not organizing here. there are people here who organize. with the more international stance of this site in general, i agree that more actively trying to organize u.s. americans into class consciousness would probably cause tension. it can't be a safe space for international comrades and an educational space for emotionally ill-adjusted imperial citizens.
i don't hate him, i distrust him, i don't want him to be an organizer, why on earth would i want a semi-famous person being an organizer? organizing works locally and without media attention (because all local journalism is dead) until victory, not clown car of national media during building.
i don't like that despite whatever profile, during interaction with mainstream world you will never get completely opposing (refreshing (tm)) framing from that ilk. why not ask probing questions of bernie panders time in kibbutz? why not ask about myriads of polls showing that pisraelis are fascists through and through? why not talk about nazis in ukraine with aocia or matt duffus? or bernie panders love for f35? or immigrant policies? this wise code switching works only in one direction - moderation (tm) with increased exposure, same as it was.
i don't like that despite whatever profile, during interaction with mainstream world you will never get completely opposing (refreshing (tm)) framing from that ilk. why not ask probing questions of bernie panders time in kibbutz? why not ask about myriads of polls showing that pisraelis are fascists through and through? why not talk about nazis in ukraine with aocia or matt duffus?
he's talked about all of that through and through myriad times, and bernie has given him five minutes of time twice. genuinely, how do you think they would have had time for that? i'm not asking you to trust him or something, don't trust anyone that you don't organize with in your area that you have an actual relationship with, but this is not exactly a reasonable criticism of the guy or the project. it's not that he's not oppositional in longer form interviews or something. are you mad at his tone?
Which kid is watching Hasan without knowing who the fuck Gavin Newsom is?
... but Joe Rogan helped Trump a lot by turning out first-time voters.
Hasan isnt your friend. Hasan isnt going to have Newsom on and then afterwards be like "What a fucking alien freak right chat? Fuck that monster." As any normal person would.
Its going to be civil discussion where Newsom over emotes every thing he says and try to be relatable while Hasan is respectable and polite to the DNC choice candidate. A spicy question might come in, but it will be unanswered in any meaningful way and then it will end. Newsom will still be infront of all you and scare a few of you into voting for him because Trump bad.
I know that Hasan is not my friend which why I'm treating him as a regular news reporter. If you turn on the TV and watch the news anchor interviewing the Foreign Minister of Iran, do you immediately think NBC is promoting Iran? Of course not. NBC hates Iran. If don't treat Hasan as any other news reporter, then you are the one who has the weird relationship with him.
Within the past year, Gavin Newsom has already been interviewed by Charlie Kirk (rest in piss) and Ben Shapiro. In both interviews, Gavin Newsom agreed with the right wing policies. In the Ben Shapiro interview, Gavin Newsom talked about how much he loves Israel and said that he supported Trump's illegal strikes on Iran in the summer of 2025.
Hasan has said that he's been trying to get an interview with Gavin, probably for over a year now, likely for the purpose of having a hostile interview. Gavin has been dodging his interview requests.
I just doubt the interview is going to be hostile and regardless of what happens his zealots are going to be like "oh bro hasan absolutely epically owned newsom" even if its the mildest criticism on the planet
Of course not. Did you see him begging newsom to come on stream? Pathetic
No i dont watch that stuff, just watch wolff. He says like the same five things over and over again, hes never wrong about them and you dont feel like a big baby watching a twitch streamer
likely for the purpose of having a hostile interview
Has Hasan ever done a hostile interview?
Hasan got kicked out the 2024 DNC for being hostile. He's been on Pod Save America twice, not agreeing with the hosts. Last year he interviewed Ross Douthat, right wing writer of NYT, the guy who wrote the article against women in the workplace. Hasan interviewed Grimes years ago. Hasan's most hostile interview ever was probably with Christian Walker, right wing tiktoker, son of Herschel Walker. There's probably more that I don't remember.
Douthat was actually the one giving Hasan a hostile interview in that instance, not the other way around.
In dystopian country, the biggest voice of resistance is a guy that plays videogames for an audience. He is going to have a friendly chat with the next president, Guy "Whitey" Killdeath
Throwing an apparent leftist voice under the bus because… he’s interviewing a piece of shit?
It's also very funny Adam Friedland had him on. Like one, its very deliberate of Newsom to get on this left-leaning circuit, please don't be mistaken. He knows he's there by choice and who he is talking to.
What I think is funny though is what I perceive as what Newsom missed. It's how he does his shtick, his charismatic performance and sucks up to a literal black hole of coolness, Adam is not cool. The inauthenticity lies there and watching the spectacle is the interesting part. A man chasing clout from someone who has a following, but is not cool or respected.
Looking into the comments is where the true beauty of that episode lies, viewers overwhelmingly hate Newsom. Newsom thinks he's appearing infront of a left voice and that he has command over his viewers. When in reality, most of us don't find him appealing in that way even if we agree with his political views. Many of us are watching an untalented, unfunny guy that we don't hate, emphasis on don't, make a fool of himself infront of celebrities who don't get it.
That is what the Adam Friedland show is often times, not always.
The only Adam Friedland interview I've watched is the Ritchie Torres one and I thought it was very effective, I would imagine the Newsom interview was similar. He's just... a guy, and that really works to highlight the lack of humanity that these freaks have.
Trying to be charismatic and chill on TAFS is the same as trying to take an interview on the Eric Andre show seriously.
I want to see what he says to his ghoul takes before I judge.
If he doesn't tear him apart then fair enough.
Make Gavin try some whacky snacks from overseas and film his reactions, right?
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Give him a fun gift from Japan while the interviewee supports an ethnostate
abusing the soundboard for every sentence would be extremely funny, this is true
ITT: A bunch of libs cope
Watch as he doesn't tear Newsome down for the obvious shit that Newsome should be torn down over and instead asks softball questions and then offers tepid resistance when Newsome says heinous shit.
And then watch as the libs in this thread defend him anyway.
When will you learn
The Hasan love here is insane. Bro does no organizing in la but has a legion of cultists who will say it’s based when he softballs active Zionists during a genocide
The Deprogram crew (Hakim, Second Thought, Yugopnik), Luna Oi, Non Compete,
, Status CoupIt often pushes people into IRL spaces like DSA. It wouldn't be bad to have an online space in addition, but it doesn't exist atp, maaaybe TrueAnon since he hangs our with Brace. IRL is more important anyway.
The only streamer I watch consistently is a union organizer in LA whose channel name is Deculturation. He’s extremely critical of the left lib media sphere (Hasan, majority report, breaking points), and only streams wed-fri, so he’s not a replacement for the daily 10-hr news feed.
Yeah that guy is awesome (and better than Hasan, needless to say), I wish he put more clips out on YouTube so I don't have to watch the full stream.
I think he’s working on it eventually for the live channel, but yeah it can be a lot to sift though with the ADHD tangents lol
If he doesn't spend literally the entire interview on the fact that Newsom denies the genocide in Palestine, every single person who supports him should be banned.
Pick your poison really. Grill him on that, or his record on police, or his record on trans rights, or his record on criminalizing homelessness, or his record on anti worker issues, or or or. It's a veritable smorgasbord of bullshit positions to choose from and if Hasan doesn't tear him apart over every single one of them I won't be the least bit surprised because Hasan is an access seeking grifter
I don't give a shit about what his domestic policies are. Sorry.
Then why do you give a fuck about what Gavin Newsom has to say? He’s a governor. His stance on ICE is more important than his opinion on foreign policy
I agree with the spirit of your post, but he is positioning himself as a leading 2028 presidential candidate (hopefully it doesn't work out!) so foreign policy is pretty important rn.
You don't care about how he hates trans people and the homeless? That's ....weird.
I think it's worth shitting on Hasan for a lot of things, but interviewing a politician who he specifically harshly criticizes on a daily basis is not an indictment in itself, as he has been very vocal about opposing this guy specifically. We'll see how he actually conducts the interview and can judge from that.
Ive been telling you guys that streamers are not your friends. If they make lots of money, they are not your friend. It is that black and white.
Not defending streamers in particular here, but you need money to accomplish just about anything.
Doesn't that type of thinking just heighten divisiveness among the left before we even have the momentum to actually organize? I'm not claiming that people shouldn't be critical of anyone claiming to be left, or that those types of people should be in charge. However, I don't think the left in general can really afford to be engaging in "no true leftist" schisms before we even have any kind of organizational representation.
I just want people to stop being so naive and distance themselves from forming parasocial relationships. You can watch Hasan still but you should know he makes a lot of money from streaming and has done things at the very least should make you question his intentions.
When he pulls AOC or Newsom on board to interview or hang out with, that should be your cue to become skeptical.
People get so defensive over streamers and youtubers, over really obvious common sense stuff. It's the same reason why people get tricked with Bernie and AOC, people aren't exercising skepticism correctly.
Of all people, Hasan should be the one telling you this because he would know first hand that he is not your friend. But I don't think he ever would because that skepticism is damaging to his bottom line.
He literally screams everything you said at his own chat every day. Like word for word at maximum volume.
I'm not saying you have to watch Hasan but you should at least listen to Mao
No investigation, no right to speak
just want people to stop being so naive and distance themselves from forming parasocial relationships. You can watch Hasan still but you should know he makes a lot of money from streaming and has done things at the very least should make you question his intentions.
While I agree parasocial relationships can be damaging to people's emotional health, I think it's naive to believe people don't understand that people like Hasan aren't making a lot of money from it.
When he pulls AOC or Newsom on board to interview or hang out with, that should be your cue to become skeptical.
I don't watch Hasan so I don't really know for sure, but I don't think a political commentator having politicians on their stream is inherently damning. I think the context of the interview and how it's conducted is really the determining factor.
In the end, I don't really know enough about Hasan to make an objective determination about his character. What I will say is that he is very influential in introducing young people to leftist theory, and I think that's incredibly important.
In my opinion the left needs to be a big tent movement that is a lot more welcoming, even characters like aoc or Bernie. Not because that's what I want American socialism to be defined as, but because that could be a great stepping stone on someone's journey further left.
Yeah, all of Hasan's interviews go the same way, he never pressures anyone because he says they'll not give him future opportunities, and when some chatter asks why he yells at them for 30 minutes about reaching out to people who aren't on the left, of course this strategy can backfire like how he dickrode Platner lmao, I don't expect anything good from him interviewing
either, he never grilled AOC or Bernie as well, I appreciate his work but he really is custom made for clueless soon-to-be baby leftist Americans.Maybe it's a fame seeking ego thing, he always says he has an addictive personality, idk I've been following him for a year or two now and his flaws are pretty glaring, don't expect miracles from this guy.
but he really is custom made for clueless soon-to-be baby leftist Americans.
This is exactly the point though, he says this himself. That's one of the two main reasons I'll follow what he is up to, because as a more developed socialist, I am a role model for other baby leftist friends and members of my org. Many of these people already follow Hasan, I sometimes suggest to others that they should.
If they can follow along with somebody who says "I don't care if its October 8the 2023, fuck Israel" and "I've been saying for years Iran needs to build a nuke, and I obviously was right the whole time, also fuck Israel" it gives me a lot to work with. I don't have to be the one doing all the education by myself, I can pick up where Hasan falls short (like emphasizing Democratic party electoralism, and so on)
I wish he could just do more, but wishing doesn't get you anything and he's unlikely to change, he doesn't have a reason to, it's just how things are.
I agree, I'm glad he mentions and works with PSL and I wish he would do more to platform them, as one example of a small change that wouldn't even be a big deal.
There is also an issue that the left in the US is tiny and disempowered (although i think the next couple of years are going to be a growth spurt). There should be at least three lefty streamers, meaning Hasan and two more to his left that he could collab with and pipeline to.
There isn't , though. All he can do for the moment is hold the course as the most prominent left-of-liberal chinamaxxer in media until the left-sphere expands to make that a reality.
I appreciate his work but he really is custom made for clueless soon-to-be baby leftist Americans.
Bingo! Hasan knows his audience, and he is the biggest funnel for a Left pipeline. If he became more dogmatic the funnel would narrow. Leftism is like vegetables for somebody that only ever ate corporate junk food. All the arguments about health or being natural do not work with picky eaters. Forcing them to eat their vegetables is a straight road to failure. Sometimes you need to cover their veggies up with cheese mornay or salad dressing to make it more palatable.
I literally have to embody this meme to get any traction.
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In my experience you need to babywalk liberals into Leftist positions, inch by painful inch, and let me tell you it takes a while for things to sink in. If they feel you are being dogmatic they stop listening :wall-talk: It happened to me during the George Floyd protests where I was too hot too quickly about the police and it turned off the people I was reaching out to. I have since softened up my delivery so when the :amerikkka: state goons executed Good and Pretti those ideas landed far better.
Hasan is the softball leftist that baby liberals can swallow without immediately throwing up, and from that crack I can trojan even more leftist theory. I do the same thing with Trump using the liberal anger at him and Democracts as a breach in the defenses for more radical ideas. I am using war against Iran right now as a vehicle for introducing historical US foreign policy. I do it with people like John Oliver or Jon Stewart, despite both being absolute libs, because they are just palatable enough to form a crack that I can use, especially against the police. Same with NPR or PBS despite being literally funded by the State.
I am not arguing for anybody to abandon their position. Let that be your anchor as you are slowly guide others towards your position. Drip feed some counter-arguments as they come up.
'ultras stand down, we are discussing electoralism strategy right now'
- we don't know if it will "normalize" him because it hasn't happened yet. What if Hasan does double tap him with his AR like 5 seconds in? We don't even have anything to discuss yet.
- Hasan is predominantly anti-imperialist in his rhetoric. He softens many of the corners for a variety of reasons and that's worthy of criticism and discussion. Interviewing a presidential candidate in the future is not an example of this.
- he is a media figure, not a politician. "Support" isn't very meaningful, I think that commentary on his commentary is valuable. We are barely doing that in this thread though because we are mostly discussing something that hasn't happened yet.
If we want to get into it, I think we should post, watch, dissect, and criticize his interview with the billionaire socdem governor candidate Tom Steyer from earlier this week. I think that would be far more interesting, and I just might post it myself this afternoon.
As a preview, I think his interview with Steyer was fairly soft because hes interested in preserving his access to candidates. What are the consequences of that? Steyer hardly looked good to Hasan's audience even if it was a bit soft.
Only in your wildest dreams, Hasan is going to give him a firm handshake and have a lukewarm conversation over the finest mayonnaise available.
Ah yes because that comment was completely serious and not an obvious joke
The comment was literally about him murdering an interview guest. Of course it was a joke.
Careful, you're gonna have a bunch of liberals whining about how Hasan platforming bloodthirsty, evil, transphobic, performatively cruel ghouls is good, actually, and is actually a pipeline to the left... Rather than acknowledge that by trying to convince his audience to vote for fucking democrats he is actively hurting the left.
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