Being a lib with no political theory must be so confusing reading the news these days
Nothing ironic here; Russia planned for the consequences of their war while we thought we'd just roll the Iranians, just like we thought we'd roll the houthis.
It seems like Russia has actually gained from its invasion of Ukraine while the US stands to lose (some of) its military bases and influence in gulf states. So I don’t see the necessity for irony.
It's funny that Ukraine is exposing their own hypocrisy here too. They are defending their own sovereignty against Russia's aggression yet they support US and Israel aggression over Iran defending their own sovereignty.
The waters are a little muddier than that, since Iranian weapons have been hitting Ukraine for ages. There's not much hypocrisy to be had there, it's just sad.
Honestly a better place to point out the hypocrisy would be Ukraine complaining about being invaded after helping invade Iraq; they'd need to endure being pounded for twenty years before they could complain about being invaded.
I mean yeah, we're none of us pro-invasion here. Glad I'm not Zelensky right now, I'll be damned if I would know how to walk the knife edge between public support, effective war strategy, domestic policy, and how to stay on Trump's good side all at once. Nobody's going to come out of this situation looking heroic, I think.
It's wild that the man used to be a comedian.
It makes me feel less silly about wishing John Stewart would run for political office.
Nothing is muddy about sovereignty. You either respect it or not. Everything else is just excuses to justify violating it.
It's funny how we all delegate the use of heavy weapons to people who are barely able to communicate
Do they support it or just not criticize them for it due to being so reliant on US weaponry?
They are actively supporting the attacks by US and Israel. They praised the attacks, met with the exiled monarch and no word about Iran sovereignty.
They also offered to send drones and drone specialists to the region to shoot down Iranian drones. Which is no different than Iran supplying Russia with drones. If you have issue with that, why are you doing the same?
Also they are not reliant on US anymore, Europe is almost entirely supplying Ukraine now from weapons to intelligence.
Which is no different than Iran supplying Russia with drones.
Well that's just disingenuous and you know it. There's a big difference between offensive and defensive drones. Iran is helping Russia kill Ukrainians. Ukraine is helping Gulf nations (who didn't start this war) defend themselves from attacks from Iran. No Iranians are dying from Ukrainian drones.
There's a big difference between offensive and defensive drones.
What a joke. There isn't such a thing as defensive weapon. Weapons are effensive by their fucking nature.
Ukraine is helping Gulf nations (who didn't start this war) defend themselves from attacks from Iran.
The same Gulf countries that allow US bases from which attacks are conducted? Do you even believe the shit you say?
Seems to be a touchy subject for you so I'll just leave it at this. Take care.
It should be for everyone. We lived through live genocide streamed to the world to see and heard excuse after excuse that nothing could be done because US only supplies defensive weapons to war criminals.
There's a big difference between offensive and defensive drones.
They are actively supporting the attacks by US and Israel.
The funny thing is that nobody even asked Ukraine for help, Zelenskyy just volunteered it. Very odd timing, as one would expect Ukraine to need all the resources it has, and more, at this moment.
Found AOCs account lol.
My bulletproof Armor and riot Shield is for defensive purposes only, don't worry.
Russia is honestly the last nation that should talk about anything with regards to this. They have had numerous high profile military failures in Ukraine (a country they promised never to invade beforehand), are stuck in WW1 with drones and an almost frozen frontline for over 4 years now, and suffered hundreds of thousands of casualties and tens of thousands of losses of high value equipment. A bombing campaign in Iran and subsequent Iranian retaliation (for now) pales in comparison to that, though the situation could always escalate in Iran.
If Russia could carry out a bombing campaign in Ukraine like the US and Israel are doing in Iran, they absolutely would. If Russia could do anything materially to hinder the US and Israeli bombing campaign in Iran such as supplying air defence systems to Iran, it would. It's a question of capability, not of will.
Nah, it's pretty basic for hexbear.
Most of you guys just shut your eyes and cover your ears if analysis of world events are any deeper than "russian man bad".
The vast majority of what I see from hexbear is "Russia/China is good because the US is bad," like it's some sort of zero sum game where both can't be bad.
See that's what I mean by "shut your ears when analysis is any deeper than russian man bad."
You see people do something other than mindlessly regurgitate state department propaganda and instead of engaging with what they write, your eyes glaze over and reduce it to a simplistic fascimile that you can understand and disregard.No, what I mean is I see people from hexbear mindlessly regurgitating propaganda instead of engaging with what they write.
You know, like what you're doing now.
You know, like what you're doing now.
Sad comeback, stopped working in kindergarten. What propaganda have you seen me put out in this thread?
That wasn't a comeback, it was pointing out hypocrisy.
And the way you speak about your instance and how everyone else is dumb and brainwashed screams authoritarian and/or fascist propaganda.
Which is funny because what you're accusing me of doing is exactly the behavior people from hexbear and lemmygrad are infamous for.
That's why I said that a nuanced take from hexbear is surprising, because it's rare for any of them to actually admit that Russia has issues.
Regardless of what the current consensus is the fact remains that the US, through NATO, choked Russia until they had to attack Ukraine.
I just want to point that out.
Ukraine joining NATO has been Russia's clearly stated red line for decades, guarantees for the non-expansion of NATO into the former Eastern Bloc, Ukraine chief among them, was even a major condition for the Soviet Union to agree to dissolve. Then NATO and the US organized the Maidan coup, and Ukraine started ethnically cleansing Eastern Ukraine of Russian speakers to the point that Ukraine was in a civil war with the breakaway republics.
Russia tried to deal with this diplomatically for many years through every channel at their disposal, but as it turned out NATO, the US, and Ukraine were negotiating entirely in bad faith to give Ukraine time to militarize. This war was several decades in the making and Russia was not at all the aggressor, even if they severely miscalculated what the cost of the war would be.
If the US wanted the war, then why are they fickle with Ukraine support? Also, why does Russia care what the Ukraine does. How is NATO bothering them? [Serious, am dumb]
What's the expansion interest about? He has a whole country already.
Russia's border with Ukraine is its most vulnerable land border, and Ukraine in NATO means a hostile military alliance with direct access to said border with the ability to militarize it with nuclear capable cruise missiles: https://www.eurasiantimes.com/analysis-us-withdrawal-from-anti-ballistic-missile-treaty-continues-to-haunt-world-20-years-later/
This was not a revanchist land grab nor was it resource motivated, the regions Russia annexed were for the most part already in a several years long civil war against the post Maidan coup government which was carrying out a campaign to ethnically cleanse eastern Ukraine of Russian speakers. By 2022 Ukraine had broken both Minsk treaties in which it promised to cease these ethnic cleansing campaigns. https://orinocotribune.com/former-german-chancellor-merkel-admits-that-minsk-peace-agreements-were-part-of-scheme-for-ukraine-to-buy-time-to-prepare-for-war-with-russia/
As for why the US is fickle with military support, I imagine it's because the US is very aware by now Ukraine will lose this war and simply does not see a reason to continue wasting weaponry when the war has already served its purpose in destroying Russian relations with Europe and putting a newly minted failed state on Russia's border for it to deal with in perpetuity.
irans war greatly benefited RUSSia, IN THAT THEY CAN recover the money they lost on the ukraine invasion since the oil prices are so high right now.
Russia didn't stop selling its oil, it even kept selling it to Europe through middle-men.
- This took 5 seconds to find, im not going to actually go through my bookmarks, because I know you'll dismiss everything as propaganda or whatever. https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-vladimir-putin-russia-fuel-imports-india-war-in-ukraine-price-cap-sanction/
I mean relevant quantities, of course.
And barring slovakia and hungary, we know about those aholes. Still, we're so low on any russian energy import comparing to 2022 it's just crumbles left.
because I know you'll dismiss everything as propaganda or whatever.
Called it
The people in power who lie about every war are probably also lying about every war btw
