Update: It seems they are blocking it themselves now⸘?

  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    19 小时前

    Well, uh… so… about that.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/12/trump-announces-strait-of-hormuz-blockade-after-us-iran-peace-talks-end

    Trump announces Strait of Hormuz blockade after US-Iran peace talks end

    US Navy to enforce blockade, Trump says after condemning Iran for blocking waterway and complaining no agreement reached in Islamabad.

    So uh… apparently we are just … blocking… the Strait.

    Which will of course, open automatically.

    Mhm.

    Yeeep.

    • Eheran@lemmy.world
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      16 小时前

      Makes sense, since otherwise Iran sells passage. So this is one is the few logical things to do in that situation.

      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        16 小时前

        Well, Iran can still just blow up any ship that doesn’t pay the toll.

        As they have been doing.

        Just because “I declare BLOCKADE” doesn’t mean that Iran can now somehow not do that.

        So no, this is insane to do, because now you just have a double blockade, and nothing at all can get through.

        The thing that would make sense to do at this point is just fucking leave, and maybe uh, apologize, for doing a bunch of war crimes?

        Itan stated in their earlier ceasefire proposal that they wanted to have the tolling thing be shared with Oman, have it voted on and ratfied in the UN as international law, and the main point of it was to recoup the costs of the damage that’s been done to them via the tolls, instead of demanding outright reparations.

        • Eheran@lemmy.world
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          12 小时前

          That is the point, nothing should get through…? Instead of Iran having a monopoly via large payments.

          • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            11 小时前

            This will result in literally millions of people starving to death.

            About a third of the world’s supply fertilizer supply goes through the Strait.

            Or well, it did.

            So us in wealthier countries will get dramatically more food price inflation, (yes, dramatically more than what we’ve experienced in the last few years in the US), those in poorer countries will just starve to death.

            That will destabilize the governments 9f those places, and cause more people to try and immigrate to parts of the world that do have food, which will cause even more tensions and bigotry between ethnic groups in multicultural societies.

            … Extremely horrifically bad plan.

        • marcos@lemmy.world
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          15 小时前

          Well, they know that the UN won’t ever accept it. That part is not honest.

          The idea that it is to recover the loses is also not fully honest. If it was to recover the loses, the tool would have an expiration date.

          Currently, the US destroyed the international law, so there’s no reason for Iran to obey it alone. But pretending the toll satisfies it isn’t honest.

          • TrippingBalls@lemmy.world
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            14 小时前

            How do you even begin to estimate the losses Iran incurred, cost of rebuilding and opportunity cost lost

            • MinnesotaGoddam@lemmy.world
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              9 小时前

              you hire very good econometrists who make very bad models because the best macroeconomic model (that doesn’t venture into woo immeasurable bullshit) is only 60% accurate.

            • real_squids@sopuli.xyz
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              13 小时前

              You can ask Ukraine. They’ll tell Iran to go fuck themselves but there are outside agencies who specialize in that sort of thing too

              edit: ofc they can estimate it themselves, too

          • real_squids@sopuli.xyz
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            13 小时前

            the US destroyed the international law

            Stolen valor. That shit has been destroyed so many times by many other actors

            • Estiar@sh.itjust.worksM
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              10 小时前

              I think it could have been resurrected sometime between 2022 and now, but not at this point. It’s been cremated

    • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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      12 小时前

      THIS IS WORLD EXTORTION

      I’ve never seen so much projection.

      Also, he’s crying about Iran’s supposed nuclear ambitions, but he’s the dumbass who pulled out of the nuclear agreement in his first term!

      Oh, and are we going to start seeing the US blow up fishing vessels like in the Caribbean?

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      So just so everyone has this clear:

      Trump is saying that no ship that has paid a fee to Iran will be allowed to transit.

      So, now, even the ships that Iran was letting through, will not get through.

      Before WW2, the US embargoed a whole ton of oil exports to Japan, and this is widely seen as forcing the hand of their expansionist aims into attacking the Phillipenes and Pear Harbor at the same time.

      We are now effectively blockading the entire world of ~20% of its oil, about ~35% of its fetrilizer, etc.

      So this is uh… immensely stupid, as it is a lrgitimate causus belli against the US for the entire world.

      Also, its a very good way to have a hypersonic missile take out an aircraft carrier.

      • MinnesotaGoddam@lemmy.world
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        9 小时前

        Before WW2, the US embargoed a whole ton of oil exports to Japan, and this is widely seen as forcing the hand of their expansionist aims into attacking the Phillipenes and Pear Harbor at the same time.

        eeee someone was listening to my rants (or their history professor’s rants) i am so happy

        • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          8 小时前

          I think we both at one point, roughly a week ago, in the same thread, were going on about how the pre WW2 US oil embargo of Japan was a big fucking deal

          Yeah, I got a 5 in AP US History, and all I have to show for it is a massive and terrifying sense of historical irony.

          hooray

    • fibojoly@sh.itjust.works
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      16 小时前

      Imagine paying the toll and now Trump says you can’t go because you shouldn’t have to pay a toll… This surely will go well.

      • marcos@lemmy.world
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        15 小时前

        Will China make protective convoys for their ships? Will the US attack those?

    • qaz@lemmy.worldOPM
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      16 小时前

      Man is playing chess on more dimensions than I can think of

      But are any of those dimensions ours?

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      19 小时前

      Wild!!!

      I was just in Lebanese restaurant wondering why the news guy was drawing a big red line off the coast of Oman.

      Just assumed it was related to whatever Iran was doing.

    • lurch (he/him)@sh.itjust.works
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      20 小时前

      i saw a video yesterday, about the endgame would be a pipeline hub in israel, so israel can control all oil flow in the region. another alternative would be oman.

  • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
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    1 天前

    Yes but, at least Iran now has fewer missiles and drones to fire at the surrounding countries to cause lots of damage, because they fired lots of missiles and drones at the surrounding countries causing lots of damage.