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Dang, am I about to become an Arch user?
It’s a lot easier to use than one would guessed it at first. Much easier, than wrestling with getting the right cmake/gcc versions every time on Debian the moment you don’t want to use not a 2+ years old version of something.
If youre not picky and want to use the default setups, arch install is so easy now. The script is very easy to follow and takes like 10 mins to install depending on your network speed. The only “hard” part during the install is connect to the internet. But iwctl takes care of that
I already got BSD on a spare laptop. Granted it was freeBSD and I think I might switch to OpenBSD since the latter’s foundation is Canadian and not US based.
But yeah if they go through with this I will be uninstalling it off my gaming machine and switching to Arch 100%. I really appreciated that line about it “not being April fools” when it was introduced in their github thread.
Theres also artix which is basically arch without systemd.
Why do some people just have the worst fucking ideas…and why is “some” starting to feel like “most”
Because media propaganda makes it seem as if the majority have certain views. People don’t like to be on the outside so if the media can trick people into conforming then they will try that.
happy fediverse birthday!
Oh, thanks! I hadn’t noticed actually!
bro… wtf should i use now??
Back to Arch??
Back to Debian??
or fuck it go TempleOS…
Ok well I suggest Fedora Project leader get fucked. Plenty of other good distros bub.
However… ive read the associated analysis of the California bill that reads directly on legislative intent:
quoting he Cali Senate Judiciary Committee analysis : file:///home/jspaleta/Downloads/202520260AB1043_Senate%20Judiciary.pdf
Why are we listening to a person who tried to link a file directly from their downloads folder?
Also the original post that the article is referencing on the fedora forums is suggesting that we remove all networking support from baseline linux as some way to comply/circumvent the law.
I’m sorry, but I just can’t take anything said in that forum post seriously.
As long as I have root, I’m as old as I wanna be.
I have a feeling that a lot of those who replied have not really read the article, that contains some nuances. I do not like the idea of age verification, but the project leader’s proposal is apparently not even official (and more like a hypothetical in a discussion thread on their forums.
Please read more than headlines, lol.
But it’s boring and won’t give you the feelingn of being right.
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What problem does this even solve? On Linux, what app would even be asking how old you are? Web browsers for sure, and maybe electron apps like Discord? But what else is there?
I’m on Bazzite (based on Fedora). I’m comfy with it, moving distros is a significant effort, so I’m very unlikely to ever jump ship. If I have to make a workflow that mirrors the official Bazzite images and neuters this age check, so be it. Not that complicated.
But I’m willing to bet the community will step up and maintain browsers/apps that don’t have these age checks in the first place. Firefox has many forks that definitely won’t, and Vesktop will probably stub this out when it inevitably comes to Discord. If there’s nothing to ask for age verification, it doesn’t matter what the OS can do.
I really don’t see a need to burn a distro I’m comfortable with, even if the upstream maintainers are a little dumb. There a ton of ways to bend a Linux distro to your will without throwing your hands up.
What problem does this even solve? On Linux, what app would even be asking how old you are? Web browsers for sure, and maybe electron apps like Discord? But what else is there?
I’m on Bazzite (based on Fedora). I’m comfy
well, the app catalog, steam, certain games, …
tbh parental controls would be useful to have. you can’t be watching every minute if they are doing something inappropriate. usage time limits are also useful.
why are people so much against tools? we are so afraid of the slippery slope that we don’t even consider to accept legitimately useful optional tools
can we acknowledge that what happens on the internet today is harmful to children? now, you either properly set up limits for them, or cut their access, if you want any good.
All Linux distros either come with parental controls or have a way of installing them. This age verification shit was never about protecting the children.
when I was looking I have found exactly zero parental controls for linux. which ones do you know?
Gnome has parental control https://help.gnome.org/gnome-help/parental-controls.html
But it has some serious limitations: for example, you cannot block individual website reliably. Parents can consider piholes, but DNS sink hole on local network are often trivial to bypass.
this is just limiting what apps can be opened, and it only works for flatpak apps. how will you disable all the other apps that are installed? how do you disable the shell which could be used to download a non-flatpak browser?
and as you said it does not even try to limit which websites are allowed to be visited, or for how much time can the computer be used. a pihole can be circumvented with DoH, for which there is an easy toggle in firefox, probably chrome too
Don’t give your kids root permission so they can’t install non-flatpak apps.
of course, but no root permission is needed for that. flatpak packages can be installed on the user level, but even if you somehow disable that, they could still just download firefox (or anything else) as a tarball, unpack it and run it traditionally
We’re not legally required to have age verification here so if they try that shit here we’re just Gina nice to Arch/arch like :/
Yeahhhh
We use Debian and ripped out systemd (replaced it with openrc) a bit before all this happened. Feeling really good about that choice now.
(unrelated: plural gang! :3)
– Frost
We’re still relatively new to Linux even after a year of switching. Started learning more about the terminal just to get comfortable with it and it’s not hard at all, just got to remember ask the commands haha (did make a cheat sheet lol)
(Unrelated: Yoooo plural gang!!! :D) -PJ & Sam
(*wags tail at both PJ and Sam!!* =^.^=)
yeah! Terminal’s super useful but also kind of daunting.
If y’all haven’t seen the man pages, they make an excellent reference. Honestly, they’re basically written more as reference than as tutorial type stuff most of the time. So that’s there whenever your cheatsheet doesn’t cover something.
Also we use zsh (without plugins, you don’t need plugins) and it’s got really fancy autocomplete. We can just type
-and hit tab and get a list of all the options for that command (that zsh knows about; I don’t think it goes and reads man pages for you or anything like that). I can’t remember how you turn that on but I think it’s something you can do from zsh’s initial setup wizard. I don’t know if bash can do the same thing or not, I think probably not (but we’re not super up to date on bash).(I’d avoid fish, which you might also run into if you go looking for fancy features. It’s known for really fancy features but it’s also not compatible with normal shell scripts, which’ll screw you up if you ever want to get into scripting. zsh does normal shell script syntax (with the exception of protecting you if you forget to quote your variables) and also has really nice fancy features like the autocomplete.)
– Frost
Got ya, will look into the zhs!! Sounds super useful. And yush found out about the man from a tutorial for useful commands in terminal. 90% of the time we’re converting files with ffmpeg and running yt-dlp lol -PJ
Does Fedora has a Code of Conduct? Time to update it to either be
- the meaningless “Be excellent to each other!” (as seen in any open source Elon Musk project),
- or to include “protecting diverse opinions” (which is always a code word for “protecting bigotry”) instead of throwing out bigots who often don’t even meaningfully contribute to the project,
- or to the Ten Commandments,
if they really like the taste of the boot. Maybe they could remove “woke” elements altogether for that sweet fascist-controlled US money.
Please don’t mix Bill&Ted with that asshole
Elon was who mixed Bill&Ted into his garbage products.
I hope OpenSuse doesn’t follow, or I will have to switch to a fully community distro that have already said the f word to age verification
The antix linux call gets stronger and stronger for me everyday. I have it on a 23 year old laptop and it runs quite well, although it isn’t as clean as a using a full DE. While I do like running an enterprise grade OS, I’m happy to ditch any weak-willed organization that won’t stand up for itself or it’s users and become a radical antifascist communist cypherpunk hippie anarchist (on the outside).
Welp… There goes Fedora!..
