• Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk
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    I mean, sure, but I think it’s understandable that they assume that. Not many white Welsh people speak welsh, let alone POC. Surely you can just speak Welsh at them and surprise and delight them?

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    People assume I can’t speak Chinese because I’m a white American. They are correct.

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      Invalid comparison. It would be more like you being born and raised in China and people defaulting to English all the time.

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        It was a joke, not a real comparison. I just happen to not be able to speak any other language.

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          The ‘it’s just a joke’ defence doesn’t really work when the context it’s posted in changes its meaning entirely.

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            There’s no defense here. You didn’t get the joke, that’s okay, move on.

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              I understood it was a joke. I was commenting on how it lands in context, not missing the humor. We’re just reading it differently.

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    I feel like this attitude is bigoted in more than one way:

    • it’s anti-POC for obvious reasons
    • it’s anti-Welsh because it implicitly assumes nobody who isn’t ethnically Welsh would have a reason to learn the language (because it’s dying or whatever).
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      Is it bigoted to think: no people assume you don’t speak welsh because why the fuck would you?

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    Actress Mali Ann Rees said inclusivity was key to encouraging more people to speak Welsh, with “no excuse” for unconscious bias.

    There’s a huge irony here for me. I called out such unconscious bias once, which was actually perpetrated by a black Welsh speaker against an Asian from South Wales. She called me a racist for calling her out! And Reddit being Reddit, she was then upvoted and I down

    I won’t forget that. It still intensely annoys me. So thanks Mali for taking my side here.

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        Serious question. Why was the first thought that came to your mind “Gee I think that person is being serious what a stupid analogy let me tell them”. Like, why does your mind go there?

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          Because “it was just a joke” is a classic tactic.

          I’m wondering what the point of posting it would be in your mind? How could it even be considered a joke?

          What am I supposed to do with a comment that is nothing but an analogy, other than to try to figure out what it means?

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            Imagine how cynical you have to be to think the worst of everything you read online. There’s no tactics. It was a joke. If you don’t think it’s funny that’s cool. But to concoct the narrative in your mind that you have speaks more about your own insecurities than anything else.

            Maybe next time you read something online try not to assume the worst when you don’t understand the context or the words. Hint: in the UK saying “innit” isn’t meant to evoke seriousness. Have you ever seen Ali G? Probably not I’m guessing.

            Now that I’ve had to explain the joke to you (regardless of whether you find it funny or not) are you able to answer my question? Why does your mind race to assume the worst?

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              What do you mean “think the worst”? there is literally no other way to interpret it… Making a bad analogy isn’t funny, that’s not a joke it’s just bad logic. You didn’t explain anything because there is no joke.

              I know what “innit” means. Yes I’ve seen Ali G. There still is no joke here. Or is “bad analogy” followed by “innit” some new joke format that I’ve missed?

              It’s fine to make a bad analogy and just admit to it when someone says its bad and you rethink it. Doubling down and calling it a joke is just absurd.

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                there is literally no other way to interpret it

                There’s literally another way that I’ve explained to you. 😅

                I know what “innit” means.

                Oh good so you can then at least understand the tone or contextual background for what I wrote in the first place wasn’t meant to even be serious.

                Not really sure why you’re arguing about this. Sounds like you just want to pick a fight where there is none. Quite sad.

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    Doesn’t seem like an unreasonable assumption, Wales is mostly white and almost all white outside of Cardiff, Swansea, and maybe Newport and Wrexham. And I have heard they only push it in schools to the west of Caerdydd