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Okay, what is this bill actually saying?
That soon, you won’t even be able to own most computers without registering it under a government ID?
Because that’s fucking nuts.
Meta, etc pushing this so that they don’t have to.
Yup, from the party of pedophiles
Now do you see why I don’t trust government?
Because it does things like this. And it’s not just our US government doing it. The entire world is getting more and more authoritarian.
Government seeks power. Always. Which is why it must always be restrained.
unrelated but I just want to say theres like 4 separate comments using the word “TrumpID” to describe this age verification, and i think this would be a great way to mock it just like how conservatives called the aca “ObamaCare”
Except it’s more ZuckID, since Meta was behind the “grassroots” campaigns and wrote the script “representatives” are using globally.
well neither did Obama personally write the affordable care act, but here we are
You misunderstand, TrumpID is the company that will soon be created that will be the mandatory provider for all OS to use (and pay licence fees to).
palintir, meta, google are all behind it. it serves 2 purposes; silencing dissidents and TRACKING women/potential mothers as brood mares.
And pushes the onus of implementation onto others.
It’s time to start neutering the tech bros.
- identifying new blood boys for Thiel
Don’t worry, with all these data centers going up, they’ll have enough hardware power to track the rest of us, too, not just the women.
Since all TV’s are smart TV’s with an OS this means age verification to watch TV? I think that’s a message that will resonate with the average consumer on what is wrong with this bill
Since all TV’s are smart TV’s with an OS this means age verification to watch TV?
Lollll
Some people fridges will need age verification
Imagine the government remote-locking your fridge because they found out you voted wrong.
They cant even define an OS. Do i need a fucking login for my wifi fridge and toaster. Such a stupid ffucking law.
You can’t open your fridge for beer until you verify your age.
Like everything on shodan basically? FFS
Why does a fridge need to connect to the Internet? Or a toaster? Why does my toothbrush need Bluetooth?
No no, tell me more about the smart toaster actually…
Can it warm up a jelly donut and play Maroon 5? lol
OK, how about my surveillance cam? NAS appliance? My WiFi light controller? Network switch? They all run Linux.
Well now you have to provide ID to use any of those.
This is just another form of control and a potential verified data stream for governments/corporations/marketers.
How can you prove that internet traffic is a human and not a bot? ID verification.
How can you generate more user data? Force them to provide ID for every device that is connected.
Want to control piracy? Easy with OS level ID requirements.
Good luck, enterprise admins! Best wishes for the future
They will repurpose the same security chips that make digital payments and OS verification soon enough. Then you cannot bypass digital ID because it is on the hardware level.
Seems they are starting with software compliance to see who will voluntarily do their dirty work for them. Assume that M$ and App£€ will comply while making it difficult for smaller independent developers to comply thus removing any privacy options.
Same with Win11, force people to upgrade working tech because it lack hardware security chip support. Call it “anti-piracy” or “security updates” and force people to comply.
ms, google(android) and apple have already implemented this. it’s waiting to go live. there was a discussion about it quite a while ago.
that’s what this infrastructure is for. all of these bills are written with google/ms/apple accounts with subusers in mind.
California one doesn’t even have language to let adults have a user legally…
ultimately I think it’s apple/ms working with meta hoping to force people to use Thier software
Fuck everything’s my about this.
Primary Josh Gottheimer. Write in anyone else against him. Vote against him or withhold voting at all in the general.
Do not signal that this is tolerated.
Don’t want to compete with a potentially capable Linux? Pay the government to make it illegal!
There’s already being work done to add an optional age-attestation in systemd.
And note that none of the laws proposed so far are actually verifying age, they’re only requiring someone to enter it. That’s attestation, not verification. Verification will be the next tightening of the screw.
They reverted the change and the Dev who made merge request got death threats.
There’s NOTHING Safer than having the Epstein Class KNOW where Kids are and WHEN they’re Home Alone!
-US Politicians!
Remember folks, age verification is personal identity verification.
Well they could do it the right way where, for example, you go to your city hall to get a certificate of age where they check your ID. Then some cryptography happens so you only enter a public key from that certificate on a website or OS to verify your age.
The website or OS doesn’t check your ID. City hall doesn’t know your browsing history.
But I’m not fooling myself, that’s not the point of such a law.
💯 don’t call it age verification - that’s just what the unmasked scooby-doo villain is still hiding behind.
“Key questions remain unanswered, such as the definition of “operating system provider,” the type of verification required, the focus on major commercial platforms, and the potential scope beyond them.”
I guarantee this bill is unenforceable. Cars, phones, traffic lights all have have computers with operating systems. All modern tech has an operating system of some sort. Also how do you even verify age? If my laptop is offline can I just not use it because it can’t confirm my id? What about tech that never goes online but has an OS, like a calculator? I can’t believe microsoft and apple are not lobbying against this. Who becomes liable if an “underage” person is accidentally given access or if access is denied to an “of age” person. I can just imagine an emt frantically looking for their driver’s license so they can use the computerized defibrillator.
What is this argument? You and I both know they want this age verification at the OS level for personal computing devices: phones, tablets and computers, maybe watches.
Is this really what’s going to kill this law? Semantics?
Yeah, that’s kind of what laws are all about
Offline computing?!
But
Microsoft is probably salivating at the idea of being the only legal OS provider.
Microsoft and Apple. The internet will only allow OSs from large American corporations.
I’d like to see the rest of the world say “fuck it” and carry on as before, leaving the Americans to censor themselves. But governments around the world are suddenly rushing to implement very similar terrible laws. It smells very coordinated.
Yeah, governments all over are trying to implement the same shit, and I agree it’s coordinated. Many governments are also looking seriously at stepping back from reliance on US big tech firms though. Not that homegrown oppression and surveillance is any better.
Meta is funding a lot of the lobbyists pushing for age verification laws. Uncoincidentally, Meta both owns a stake in a company providing identity verification as a service, and serves to benefit from not having to moderate its own platforms.
And meta had a pretty big chance of just getting banned from being used by minors in places around the world, so it might not work out as hoped.
But don’t some of these larger orgs fund Linux distros? Like Red Hat with Fedora?
It’s like Secure Boot, but without any of those pesky self-signing workarounds.
It feels like a Mr. Smith Goes to Washington display would solve this.
Just bring everything that has an operating system in it into the room. Cars, boats, planes, construction equipment, tractors, factories, knock off game consoles, literally every server on the internet.
Show them the ridiculousness of this and maybe we’ll get dragged out by police and charged with contempt of congress
Don’t give them even better ideas. To you it sounds ridiculous, to them it sounds like “we can ban people we don’t like from using modern technology by invalidating their age verification”
Go ahead and ban the people who are literally running the infrastructure they’re using
Will the sysadmins in Congress need to verify their age to use a server?
Will the sysadmins in Congress need to verify their age to use a server?
Yes. Yes, they will.
“Sorry, no email for your octogenarian Senator. TrumpID is down”
If my laptop is offline can I just not use it because it can’t confirm my id?
Yes. The powers at be will stop at nothing to take more, and more, and more power away from you. This is human nature.
The problem comes when a public school’s IT department is deciding whether to go with a FOSS option, or a commercial OS. As the IT team has full control over the FOSS OS, the school will be held liable as the OS provider. They will select a commercial OS to avoid liability under these idiot laws.
I’m having a hard time understanding how this is going to keep kids safe.
The same way the next laws will keep kids safe. When you leave your front door, you will have to drop your pants so the TSA can check your asshole. It’s necessary. You know. To keep kids safe.
/s
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Assprints are as unique as irises or fingerprints, and are bigger.
Reposted to death, but in case anyone new hasn’t seen Smart Pipe yet:
That’s because it is never about the children.
This is about protecting the entrenched players in the OS games; Microsoft, Google and Apple. The likely end play for all this is the erosion of personal computing so they can rent (and therefore control) all the compute available to you, so you don’t get uppity and think of running your own AI, which they believe will be as integral to everyday life as the internet is today.
Safe? Never. But it will help the pedophiles find more children online. Sickos!
Why would corporate billionaires and pedophile politicians want to keep kids safe? This has nothing to do with that.
I don’t even understand safe from what? Seeing titties? That is not bad and needs to be part of any growing up human, we’ve been all thru this, and we clearly see what happens to people who don’t/were banned from normal childhood. All sorts of freaks.
