NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said on Wednesday he believes that some NATO ‌countries were tested and failed amid Washington’s criticism over European allies not getting involved in the U.S. and Israel’s war against Iran.

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    I don’t think that matters all that much. It didn’t matter back when NATO members backed up the US in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    The difference between then and now is that America wants Europe to back them up militarily, but in turn does not want to provide the security guarantees that are fundamental to the alliance.

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      Afghanistan was due to 9/11, which happened very obviously in North America.

      Iraq had nothing to do with NATO, besides a lot of NATO countries fighting in the war. However France, Germany, Canada and a few others did not join.

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        It is true that Afghanistan was a direct consequence of the US triggering Article 5 following 9/11, so it makes sense that that would be considered a NATO mission.

        Iraq is not a NATO mission on paper, but NATO allies backing up the US in Iraq is still an example of NATO allies backing up the US militarily as part of the unspoken agreement of NATO.

        The US provides security guarantees for Europe, and in exchange Europe backs up the US in their escapades.

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      None of the other nato countries put anything more than a perfunctionary effort into helping the US in Afghanistan though, except the UK sort of but they still were half assed. Most sent non lethal aid. I know the Danes and the UK sent actual troops, but not many. Idk who else.

      They all just did it to say they did, to appease the US.

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            NATO’s troop presence peaked in 2011, with more than 130,000 foreign troops from 51 allied and partner countries in Afghanistan. Since 2003, NATO has trained hundreds of thousands of Afghan troops and police officers, including establishing an Afghan air force.

            The international military coalition has suffered over 3,500 fatalities since 2001, among them around 2,400 Americans, according to U.S. Congress data. More than 20,000 U.S. troops were wounded in action. The website www.icasulaties.org, puts the total number of fatalities at 3,577. Tens of thousands of Afghan police and soldiers were killed.

            From your own source…

            Stop pretending America’s allies did not do anything in Afghanistan. It is disrespectful to the veterans and those that lost their lives there.

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              News articles listing the number of foreign troops in Afghanistan were very small amounts, and that $130,000 figure seems to directly contradict what was directly in front of it which is what I cited and is as follows

              '. In 2015, the mission, known as ISAF, was replaced by a training operation, Resolute Support. As of April, it numbered around 10,000 troops from 36 nations.

              • The international military coalition has suffered over 3,500 fatalities since 2001, among them around 2,400 Americans, according to U.S. Congress data. More than 20,000 U.S. troops were wounded in action. The website www.icasulaties.org, opens new tab puts the total number of fatalities at 3,577. Tens of thousands of Afghan police and soldiers were killed.’

              Furthermore, the more you were involved the more you suck as far as I’m concerned. Bunch of fucking whores to the United States Empire that has such bad fucking leadership they can’t do anything right. I knew it but you didn’t know it? So maybe you were more involved in sucking my bad.

              Numbers I saw were like several hundred from a European country, at least of combat troops, the UK may be several thousand. Those were numbers that I saw at the time in the newspapers. 130,000 foreign troops does not seem accurate, are you trying to tell me there were 130,000 NATO allies in Afghanistan at that time? Bullshit.

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          Yeah I said they sent troops, most of them were not in combat, and were paltry numbers. Perfunctionary support.

          Which is a good thing Afghanistan was bullshit from the start and we all should all know it by now.