• wpb@lemmy.world
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    The entire country is sick to its core. Death to pissrael. All of it.

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    The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran, and Israeli society agrees. The reason, to put it simply, is that Israelis are war junkies.

    Misinformation. There’s literally Israeli Kinesset members that oppose the genocide in Gaza and the war with Iran. They are the minority, but they do exist.

    Not to mention the Israeli citizens refusing to enlist in the military, who are sent to prison.

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      The fact that it’s a minority means that the article is barely exaggerating. If they slapped the word majority or major majority infront of their statements and it made it accurate then you can’t even call them a liar.

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          “The entire political spectrum” doesn’t mean “every single person ever,” or even “every single politician ever.” The implication is only that the statement applies to all political segments of the population. If the left, right and center (and any other significant political blocs) mostly agree on something, then the whole political spectrum supports it, even if some people don’t.

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            That’s literally not what it means.

            There is people that oppose it. there is politicians that oppose it. The entire political spectrum isn’t discrete. It’s a spectrum. That’s literally what a spectrum means.

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              I was inclined to agree with you but he has a point. The entire spectrum supports it, not everybody in said spectrum needs to support it for the statement to be true.

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    Wasn’t it just a few weeks ago that these same people were praising their soldiers for raping captured civilians?

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    The poll they cite only polled 500 people and the “Israel Democracy Institute” who conducted the poll was founded by a Trump mega donor.

    Mondoweiss loses credibility by releasing this article without pointing out the obvious polling issue.

    They also failed to shout out the organizations that have been protesting daily against the war! Standing Together עומדים ביחד has been organizing protests since day one of the operation.

    Mondoweiss is showing itself as an unfair propagandist publication who is more interested in clicks and spicy headlines than actually giving a real picture.

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      The poll they cite only polled 500 people

      Which is more than enough. Statistically, you only need 30 or so samples to get a normal distribution, at which case the error varies with 1/sqrt(n) for sample size n. This means that if a sample size of 8000 would only have 4 times less error (so from 4% to 2%) compared to one of 500. The mathematics of the thing is ironclad: Provided the sample is representative (i.e. doesn’t unfairly over or underrepresent a particular group) and exceeds the mid-double digits*, any issues with sample size would manifest as a large calculated error.

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        Founded and funded by people and orgs that have a vested interest in this conflict. Like the heritage foundation polling for gay marriage.

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          Sure that’s a fair point, but then we’d expect other polls to produce similar results. It’s not like we have to take their word for it.

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      Israel really blows my mind. Pro or Anti Netanyanhu supporters still want to kill Arabs. Seeing interviews and social media pics of just regular Israelis casually wishing death is still so jarring to me.

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    The entire Israeli political spectrum is united in blasting Netanyahu for not continuing to attack Iran

    An Israeli poll in early March showed that a whopping 93% of Jewish Israelis supported the war of aggression on Iran.

    Wow, did this not get passed by an editor?

    93% is an overwhelmingly majority. It literally is not the entire Israeli political spectrum.

    This article is factually inaccurate from the first few sentences

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      Entire political spectrum means people from the far left, left, centre, right and far right support it (entire spectrum)… not that every single person does.

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      93% with a 5% error margin is overwhelmingly close to 100%.

      I’d say the editor was pretty fair in the phrasing.

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      and the institute that did the polling was founded and funded by a Trump mega donor.

      “Trump Institute Finds Broad Support For Trump’s War Exactly Where They Left It” fixed the headline.

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    Damn. I expected better reporting from Mondoweiss.

    Is this an opinion piece? Because it’s clearly not factual.

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      Most Zionists that are responsible for the genocide in Palestine and the war crimes in Iran are Christian.

      Conflating Zionism with Judaism is anti Semitic.

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        What do you mean. The people doing the actual colonization are the israelis which are majoritarly jews . It doesn’t mean jews as a whole is responsible for the actions of the israeli jews so there is no conflation between judaism and zionism

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      I was once quite a fierce supporter of israel. Maybe because I was trying too hard to not be antisemitic.

      But this shit man… It’s getting ridiculous.

      They’ve lost all my sympathy

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      It’s the same with minorities who are racist.

      There are assholes in every society.

      Just because they are marginalized by someone else doesn’t make them any less of an asshole.

      It makes them conservatives.

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      It’s not all of them, but the lack of people speaking up over there is chilling. I hope it’s just media suppression, and the numbers aren’t as bad as it seems.

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      There are a handful of decent humans there who oppose it all. They have protested and been beaten up.

      Mostly young people. Not very many of them. But I think that’s pretty courageous considering they are literally surrounded by wolves.

      What must it be like to live in a country surrounded by insane fascist. ?

      Oh… Nevermind I guess I know.

      Well.

      But at least most of my fellow U.S citizens aren’t in support of it.

      I think Israel must feel like literally everyone is maga except like 2 people you know.

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        It’s a good time to recommend the Discworld book Jingo, which remains just as relevant as when it was written.

        It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone’s fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I’m one of Us. I must be. I’ve certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. *No one* ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We’re always one of Us. It’s Them that do the bad things.

        And another quote from Feet of Clay:

        Just because someone’s a member of an ethnic minority doesn’t mean they’re not a nasty small-minded little jerk

        (And then there’s The Fifth Elephant that’s so painfully spot-on that I’d rather not spoil a single moment of it. Terry Pratchett was amazing and I wish he was still around to share his humor and wisdom. We could use a few laughs right now.)

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        But at least most of my fellow U.S citizens aren’t in support of it.

        Only 60% oppose an unprovoked attack targeting schools and hospitals?!

        And their reasons:

        • I am from the other side of the uniparty so I dogmatically am against anything the other side does.

        • The gas prices are going up!

        • We are sending our poor little innocent baby killers to die for israel!


        No, your country isn’t better.
        Also at best a handful of decent people, the US should be nuked just as hard AFAIC.

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          It’s a little better. I honestly feel that most of my community is not insane. That’s something.

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                Like I haven’t heard that feeble argument from an americunt when he looked up Belgium to try some whataboutism.
                Bravo you’ve found ONE straw to grasp at from a long time ago where the circumstances are in no way comparable.
                We’re talking about support of the people.
                For one, what did people know back then about the private endeavour of a royal or about anything remotely distant from where they lived?
                Yes that definitely is the same as the people of the US removed supporting nearly all their violent imperialism and terrorism while they have every opportunity to know they’re wrong.
                Oh, and BTW, it’s your cancer removed that took over in Congo and about everywhere they could in Africa.
                So you can fuck right off with your ridiculous gotcha attempt.

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      Even the Nazis weren’t “a whole nation of genocidal maniacs.” In both Israel and Nazi Germany there is/was opposition to the atrocities committed by their leadership, just not enough. In Israel in particular “do you support comically evil thing” polls tend to get 60-80% support, except the Iran war which at its outset had 93% support. That’s not a whole nation of genocidal maniacs; that’s a nation of mostly genocidal maniacs.