Why do you believe Communism isn’t achievable as envisioned? Is it possible that you don’t actually know what is envisioned in Communism, just a few slogans and buzzwords?
Every attempt we’ve seen at communism either has a ruling class (or rather individual) or is still sitting in the “dictatorship of the proletariat” stage of Marxism–Lenninism (ie. not true communism) with no signs of changing.
There’s never be a full communist or capitalist society. What wears arguing over how far towards either we should go. Also, FYI for those that don’t know The USSR and China are not communist. Both are/were dictatorships that call themselves communist.
Look up dialectical Materialism. China is ‘communist’ as they are progressing along the roadmap Dialectical Materialism provides towards achieving communism.
Are they making actual progress on that path, though? They have tons of billionaires, lots of people go bankrupt there from medical bills or are homeless (unlike some other communist countries). The state owns a lot of businesses, but then so does Norway. All their initiatives seem to be related to hurting gay people or making it harder for kids to play video games. They’ve arrested some rich people and cracked down on some corruption, but that also sounds like it could come from a capitalist country. I can’t really find any sort of long-term plan.
The problem is that you won’t ever get a full communist country, at least not for a very, VERY long time, because you always get those few fartweasels who end up hijacking it and turning it into a dictatorship. You need to eliminate that problem first, and with how the world is sliding into fascism, it doesn’t look like we’re any where near close to solving that dilemma
Even when they don’t turn it into a dictatorship, they may just turn it back into capitalism, like Russia did. And when that happens, they just sell all the old estates to the highest bidder, making them richer and turning them into oligarchs. And that becomes functionally equivalent to a dictatorship of the bourgeois.
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Bruh i see people starving in the streets of America every damn day.
Did I make propaganda in the form of meme hand waving it away? Yes capitalism has problems, fully acknowledged. Take your strawman elsewhere.
Did he ever say people didnt starve? No? But youre implying that everyone who ever suffered in a communist state deserved it. And thats fucling wrong.
Ukraine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Russia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921–1922
China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine
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You could do that with any country that’s had famines and disasters.
United States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl
Ireland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)
India https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
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Why do you believe Communism isn’t achievable as envisioned? Is it possible that you don’t actually know what is envisioned in Communism, just a few slogans and buzzwords?
Every attempt we’ve seen at communism either has a ruling class (or rather individual) or is still sitting in the “dictatorship of the proletariat” stage of Marxism–Lenninism (ie. not true communism) with no signs of changing.
Nobody starves under capitalism /s
I’ve already addressed this insane strawman that every communist seems to love to do the second you point out the glaring flaws in their propaganda.
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There’s never be a full communist or capitalist society. What wears arguing over how far towards either we should go. Also, FYI for those that don’t know The USSR and China are not communist. Both are/were dictatorships that call themselves communist.
Look up dialectical Materialism. China is ‘communist’ as they are progressing along the roadmap Dialectical Materialism provides towards achieving communism.
Are they making actual progress on that path, though? They have tons of billionaires, lots of people go bankrupt there from medical bills or are homeless (unlike some other communist countries). The state owns a lot of businesses, but then so does Norway. All their initiatives seem to be related to hurting gay people or making it harder for kids to play video games. They’ve arrested some rich people and cracked down on some corruption, but that also sounds like it could come from a capitalist country. I can’t really find any sort of long-term plan.
I don’t disagree at all. I’ve just grown tired of nuance with most folks so I respond in full sarcasm mode in many cases.
The problem is that you won’t ever get a full communist country, at least not for a very, VERY long time, because you always get those few fartweasels who end up hijacking it and turning it into a dictatorship. You need to eliminate that problem first, and with how the world is sliding into fascism, it doesn’t look like we’re any where near close to solving that dilemma
Read ‘State and Revolution’ by Lenin. It’s quite short and not that bad a read. Addresses exactly what you are talking about.
I thought I was still on Lemmy.world and was wondering why this thread was going so hard on theory. Carry on.
Upvote for fartweasel.
Even when they don’t turn it into a dictatorship, they may just turn it back into capitalism, like Russia did. And when that happens, they just sell all the old estates to the highest bidder, making them richer and turning them into oligarchs. And that becomes functionally equivalent to a dictatorship of the bourgeois.