• Vespair@lemmy.zip
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    Painting the whole of reddit based on the actions of a single non-admin moderator on a religious subreddit of all things feels dishonest as hell, tbh.

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      Well, an admin not stepping in also speaks volumes. They were more than happy to step in when we complained about API changes.

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        Yes, reddit admins are famously shit and famously have the most skewed priorities in history, but that still doesn’t make this cherry-picked example a good representation of reddit as a whole.

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          The post is not trying to explain what reddit is. The post title says “Reddit is now allowing advocacy of Child Marrige because they don’t want to be seen as islamophobes”.

          This is a true statement, since admins not stepping in means they are allowing it. The image is good evidence of that.

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            What do you want? Total censorship of every unacceptable position held by an individual user? I say let the child marriage advocates identify themselves.

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              I wouldn’t even mind them not censoring it. I am a fan of 4chan for it being such an unrestrained place, even if I rarely visit it.

              But one, reddit does heavily moderate it’s content. You can’t remove content you dislike and then claim not deleting something doesn’t mean you approve.

              Second, this is not just letting a user post what he wants, this is letting a mod use the power you gave him to force this shit through and delete, ban, and/or censor opposing views.

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        to be fair the vast majority of administration on reddit is now automated by bots. If you’ve ever been admin banned it tells you as much. So the real issue should be what filters/flags have been applied and why would the bot ignore something like this post/mod?

      • CryptagionismisogynistBanned
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        Reddit deleted my NSFW subreddit for no reason except it was competition for the girls they personally pimp out. They 100% take an active role and could deal wirh this if they wanted to.

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      Yeah, I walked away from reddit a couple of years ago now. I’ve been over there occasionally searching for something in particular and niche community this is definitely not the vibe for most of it.

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      Let’s be honest here, the United States aren’t the standard they claim to be.

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            Ah! 16 across the board. I assume that’s national not provincial law?

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            Mostly the same in the US, most of the states that are 18 below require parental consent. Still not awesome but it’s not like a bunch of teenagers are getting married willy nilly.

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              Allowing children to be sold off as child brides with parents consent is not an improvement. Especially since they cannot legally get divorced until they are 18

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          That’s not accurate. In France it’s 18 , has been for a couple of decades actually. A judge can waive it in the interests of the couple but that’s super rare.

          It’s also not like you can marry a 15 year old to an adult. Statutory laws still apply, obviously.

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            That is how it is in many places in the US. People who want to marry off their child find the most regressive, backwards judge in the area who is happy to do it just to keep up traditional values.

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          This country is littered with pedophiles and 48 year olds who say “age is just a number!” Just before they marry a 14 yr old.

          Anyone who knows anything about the US

          Knows this.

          You are the one who is mislead my friend

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            I think you’re arguing with someone who completely agrees with you.

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      One ex of mine got married at 17, another at 18 (Appalachian milfs and I have a thing for each other). Neither decision was good, and people may think it’s only a year, but the difference is drastic. At 18 you’re legally an adult, but at 17 you aren’t. At 17 you lack rights that your adult spouse has, like to file for divorce and to open bank accounts independently.

      The minimum marriage age should be the age of majority and I don’t care if your culture dislikes it. If you don’t trust someone is old enough to sign a contract, why are you letting someone sign that contract? If they aren’t old enough to purchase pornography, why are you letting them enter into a legal commitment with a sexual component? If they can’t legally independently demand divorce why are you letting them marry at all?

      We had to put a line between child and adult somewhere and 18 seems a pretty good place, but crossing that line grants an immense amount of freedom and independence.

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        Appalachian milfs and I have a thing for each other

        Thanks, I blew air out of my nose harder than usual.

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          Glad to be of assistance lol. I used to joke that I don’t have a type but a type has me

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        Too immature to be allowed to drink. Mature enough to raise children.

        Yeah, no. Marriage should be 21 and up.

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            I used to be. But when I turned 30 I realized that I wasn’t properly sane until I was in my late 20s.

            We’ve figured out that brains don’t finish maturing until around 25. So to me, 21 is a compromise.

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              I wasn’t properly sane until I was experienced. Ive seen sheltering make for stupid 30 year olds snd I’ve seen a 21 year old on her second kid who seemed to have it shockingly together. But I also come back to the stance of freedom for adults.

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                Indeed. But the question to me is, when are they an adult? We have to pick some fairly arbitrary age, and to me 18 seems young.

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        If you’re going to allow marriage below the age of majority, emancipation should be included. It makes a terrible idea just slightly better.

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          I’m generally cool with that. I hope they can sign contracts at that age too if they’re allowed to marry

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        Surprised at your comment. Just last month I read a review of all variations of milfs in the US. Top rated milfs were the Appalachian milfs. And it makes sense. They marry young and have kids when they are young. They have much less mileage on them compared to the overwhelming amount of milfs.

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          That’s a weird think to rank. I was just near where left wing queer hillbillies wound up

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      That Wikipedia article is very poorly written and seems to contradict itself in the same paragraph multiple times. But I’m not surprised that the main locations for child marriages are Appalachia and the Jello-Belt. Backwoods hicks and ultra rural Mormons are the two main demographics i correlate with child marriage.

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      Check age of consent laws for American states. Find that outrageous? LOL, next have a look at Europe.

      If it’s legal to have sex with a 16 or 17 year old, it’s legally consistent to allow marriage.

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        You are working under the assumption that the consequences of sex and marriage are the same. Much of the world doesn’t agree, as per your list.

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          I’m thinking we agree? In any case, the age of majority, marriage and consent are all over the place on this Earth, and almost all are under 18. Again, if you can fuck you should be able to marry, to be legally consistent.

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        You both need to check Aisha’s age before even comparing US or Europe to it

        Classical Islamic sources state that Aisha was six at the time of her marriage with Muhammad and nine at the time of its consummation.

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          I’m well aware, just commenting on modern age laws perhaps being crazier than most people know.

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            I guess being from Europe I don’t find the numbers particularly crazy, at least considering the context

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      So a random mod speaks for Reddit? What kind of BS is this post

      As long as Reddit allows this mod to continue his job, they implicitly support his cause. It’s why they had to ban all the subreddits that were being creepy.

      edit: Time for OP to make a stink on Reddit about it. Not sure why they’re posting it here. It doesn’t concern me, IMO.

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      Dude, Mary was between 12 and 16 when she gave birth to Jesus. And don’t get me started on the story of Lot and his daughters in the Old Testament.

      Between OP and the comments, what a stupid fucking post…

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        Yeah, and? Almost like christianity sucks too, who would have thought

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          At the very least, their extremist adherents are certainly responsible for some of the worst atrocities of the modern age.

          This post is still garbage though

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            I mean according to the story told to the followers. It’s a lot better imo than in Islam where Aisha was six at the time of the marriage and nine when they had sex…

            Then again Mary is a character in both religions’ stories

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          Exactly. Racist Americans love to act like they’re so much more civilized than everyone in the Middle East and it’s like - I’m sorry have you been to Alabama? The President himself was best friends with the most notorious child rapist in modern history.

          Oh but the brown people are so uncivilized!

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    I know we all hate Reddit, but you don’t have to sink as low as this. This is a single post, hardly reddit’s stance.

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      The point being made is that reddit Admins have zero problem banning anything that does not fit their “narrative”. And that narrative has a hierarchy not based on basic morality and common sense. Ask yourself this question, even if there was a single post, would reddit Admins allow the promotion of child marriage by a Christian religious group that was mostly comprised of White people?

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        How is that the point being made? This isn’t an admin.

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      cuck seems like a weird word to use here

      consider what you’re accusing them of being, what the post says they’re doing, and what cuck means happens to their victim

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        I’m in favour of using cuck non-literally to express scorn, derision, disgust, etc. I think it’s a good replacement for all the homophobic words that were used that way decades ago (more recently for some).

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    This is a stupid, dishonest and embarrassing post.

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    Don’t be duped by fairy tale stories of any variety that seek to shackle your mind.

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    Religion. Leave it and open your eyes to the real world. Stop believing in fairy tales.

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      Being a child diddler has no religion. Even with Islam the people who advocate for child marriage still hold the same morals.

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    Let’s not pretend that this problem is somehow isolated to Islam.

    Child marriage is legal in the US with a majority of states allowing it in some form and four states literally having no minimum age of marriage.

    This is a religious people problem. The more of them you have the more of this problem you have. Religious people have all kinds of excuses for pedophilia and other things that rob people of consent and agency.

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    This seems like a subreddit rule. Has Reddit ever ruled specifically for or against this?