- cross-posted to:
- luigimangione
- cross-posted to:
- luigimangione
cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/8223000
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I mean… There are better ways to disrupt a business without endangering human lives. That fire could have gotten someone killed.
“Working class hero” more like a lone adventurist who’s completely disconnected from the working class pointlessly throwing their life away (in prison) for a spectacle and possibly fucking over actual working class organization if the state uses it as an excuse to crack down on them (see: Reichstag)
Ive been to the area. There is no organized left for hours in any direction. There is no organization, just aesthetics. The only option is undividual action.
Doesn’t change the fact that it would still hurt organizing in the future, likely on a federal level if the spectacle is used in such a way, and that this shit doesn’t weaken capital at all.
Individual action in the absence of a movement isn’t “the only option” in a sense that there isn’t an option other than to organize, as change can only be achieved through unified mass action. It at best achieves nothing (like with Kirk or Luigi), or at worst fucks the “revolutionary object” (i.e. the working class) over like in the case of Reichstag fire.
So youre saying: if The Party cant help you, just suffer quietly until you die in terrible squalor?
Can… Can i get a tankie ‘fuck you thats insane’ for some left unity here?
Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m saying if you read my comment while being blackout drunk, with a blindfold on, doubled with an immediate hate boner from my lemmy user name and all the bad faith stemming from it…
But yeah, the concept that only organized mass action can produce change is so tankie man - what we really need is pointless individual-driven spectacles that have historically been proven to lead nowhere or be actively detrimental to organization attempts that “The Party” has nothing to do with (i.e. independent union organization)!!
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Oh no! Action i didnt get to approve/disapprove! How terrible!
Go outside. Talk with random people on a train. Tell me this shit again.
Are you okay?
Disagreeing with you is not a symptom of mental illness.
Good on him.
Damn. If there were leftists of any kind in los angeles, i would suggest they try to organize a prison break. Sucks there arent.
for an arsonist? you don’t understand california.
That would admittedly make it a harder sell, but there isnt anyone to sell to, so
This is actually a dumb comment on several levels…
The hero California needs.
Calling arson heroic is embarrassing. Nothing about what he did helped anyone. It hurt the people who worked there and shut down any chance of actual organizing.
He could’ve put that energy into unionizing and building real leverage with the people around him. Instead he chose something that put others at risk and killed the one tool that actually works.
I get that people are angry and impatient, but cheering for this isn’t radical. It’s lazy. It hands critics exactly the narrative they want and drags attention away from the work that actually changes conditions. If people want real power, it starts with organizing, not celebrating a stunt that sets everyone back.
Please don’t burn down Sam Altman’s house with Molotov cocktails please it hurts the poor house slaves who live there. It’s much more effective to go sit there with your reflective vest and sign that says you’re mildly upset
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You can burn down Sam Altman’s home with him inside, and what happens after? His wealth goes to his family or relatives, the CEO gets replaced in like a week because there’s no shortage of them (be it from Linkedin or other positions), your ass goes to spend their entire life in jail, the state now has a narrative to use in order to crack down on organization of present and the future…
But sure, by all means go and become a great man of epic radical resistance who treats the working class as the object of revolution and not the subject.
