It’s interesting that the pro circumcision crowd who rant about hygiene don’t support girls having their labia cut off to prevent grime from accumulating between the folds.
Circumcision should be reserved for actual medical reasons, like phimosis, and if possible at age of consent.
If you don’t wash behind your ears, bacteria will grow and cause it to smell. By their logic, they should be chopping off ears as well.
The purpose of circumcision is to make maturation and sex less pleasurable as it removes about 1/3 of sensory nerves and meant to make it more difficult to masturbate because you can’t just pull on tight skin. You can still perform the basic acts of sex and masturbation, but it’s not as pleasurable. Likewise, one can still hear without ears even if it’s not as good as those with intact ears.
Jeez, if you make masturbation MORE pleasurable, teenage boys will never get anything done. It would single-handedly (pun not intended, but I’ll take it) crash the gaming industry.
While I agree with the majority of the argument, I don’t agree with this point. Age of consent is mainly a political thing, disregarding the actualities involved with teenagers and sexual life, and discrediting those who have problems before that set age.
Biologically, pubescence which is around 13 is where this decision should be undertaken, as this is the point where the individual is sexually mature.
Medical problems start before the age of consent so the individuals which are sexually mature should have the option to treat this condition.
The age of consent is not the age of sexual maturity for a reason. Girls as young as 6 can start their periods and can get pregnant, but they’re not mature enough to make informed decisions about their reproductive health, or really anything in general.
Yes that is correct, but you’re misinterpreting my initial argument. As by sexual maturity I mean the average age of sexual maturity which as implied within my statement was 13.
But, alas. It is a problem on my end with my argument not being clear enough on that - I can thank you on pointing that error out.
I still think you have a misunderstanding of what the age of consent is. It’s simply the age where a person is deemed mature enough to consent to having sex with an adult.
It’s not disregarding teen sexualities as it doesn’t punish two people under the age of consent for having sex, and it has nothing to do with reproductive health issues a child might experience. It is to punish adults for taking advantage of a child.
No one is saying that parents shouldn’t be able to approve medically necessary circumcision. They’re saying that parents shouldn’t be able to approve it for cosmetic reasons, and that the child should be the ones making that decision when they’re old enough to do.
The age of consent just happens to be when we deem children old enough to make their own decisions about sex, so it makes sense to restrict cosmetics circumcision until at least then.
I still think you have a misunderstanding of what the age of consent is. It’s simply the age where a person is deemed mature enough to consent to having sex with an adult.
I am aware of that fact. The point here is that people below the age of consent shall be able to decide what they want to do as opposed to waiting till the age of consent, as stated within my first argument.
In essence, teenagers should have a degree of say, because they are capable of understanding medical decisions and shouldn’t be restricted towards the age of consent - which usually is used for sexual consent with another person. In addition, age of consent already does one thing, which is sexual consent to others. It shouldnt dictate what you do to yourself.
Well I do respect your opinion; however, teenagers should have more autonomy in terms of their own body. Age of consent should remain just that - the age of consent to sex, not anything else.
In addition, I don’t think we should rely on arguments grounded on opinions - just as its the case with it matching the age of consent, without further clarification. There are also publications such as WHO which further exemplify the point I’m trying to make.
Also, according to this Neuroscience article which is related to gender affirming care:
adolescents possess the capabilities required to engage in adult-like cognitive control and decision-making
To conclude, the original argument had unclear motives and objectives - of course feedback had enabled to see this problem. Further evidence has been provided to reinforce the position of decision making to not be based on age of consent. Additionally, within research, age of consent has no influence on personal decision making - in terms of your own self.
It’s interesting that the pro circumcision crowd who rant about hygiene don’t support girls having their labia cut off to prevent grime from accumulating between the folds. Circumcision should be reserved for actual medical reasons, like phimosis, and if possible at age of consent.
The “hygiene” argument just shows me how backwards Americans are
Have the stupid cunts not heard of soap?
More like everyone’s too socially awkward to want to discuss any form of hygiene directly. Kinda wild really.
As a young child I didn’t know I had to wash between my toes, and I got athletes foot.
If only a kind doctor had cut all my toes off when I was born.
What is this “soap” you speak of?
You are meant to wash under the foreskin obviously but only with water. Soap is generally considered too harsh for that area
But obviously there are times one uses soap. It’s part inside, part outside. You have to keep outside out of inside.
If you don’t wash behind your ears, bacteria will grow and cause it to smell. By their logic, they should be chopping off ears as well.
The purpose of circumcision is to make maturation and sex less pleasurable as it removes about 1/3 of sensory nerves and meant to make it more difficult to masturbate because you can’t just pull on tight skin. You can still perform the basic acts of sex and masturbation, but it’s not as pleasurable. Likewise, one can still hear without ears even if it’s not as good as those with intact ears.
Just goes to show how insane these people are.
Jeez, if you make masturbation MORE pleasurable, teenage boys will never get anything done. It would single-handedly (pun not intended, but I’ll take it) crash the gaming industry.
While I agree with the majority of the argument, I don’t agree with this point. Age of consent is mainly a political thing, disregarding the actualities involved with teenagers and sexual life, and discrediting those who have problems before that set age.
Biologically, pubescence which is around 13 is where this decision should be undertaken, as this is the point where the individual is sexually mature.
Medical problems start before the age of consent so the individuals which are sexually mature should have the option to treat this condition.
The age of consent is not the age of sexual maturity for a reason. Girls as young as 6 can start their periods and can get pregnant, but they’re not mature enough to make informed decisions about their reproductive health, or really anything in general.
Yes that is correct, but you’re misinterpreting my initial argument. As by sexual maturity I mean the average age of sexual maturity which as implied within my statement was 13.
But, alas. It is a problem on my end with my argument not being clear enough on that - I can thank you on pointing that error out.
I still think you have a misunderstanding of what the age of consent is. It’s simply the age where a person is deemed mature enough to consent to having sex with an adult.
It’s not disregarding teen sexualities as it doesn’t punish two people under the age of consent for having sex, and it has nothing to do with reproductive health issues a child might experience. It is to punish adults for taking advantage of a child.
No one is saying that parents shouldn’t be able to approve medically necessary circumcision. They’re saying that parents shouldn’t be able to approve it for cosmetic reasons, and that the child should be the ones making that decision when they’re old enough to do.
The age of consent just happens to be when we deem children old enough to make their own decisions about sex, so it makes sense to restrict cosmetics circumcision until at least then.
I am aware of that fact. The point here is that people below the age of consent shall be able to decide what they want to do as opposed to waiting till the age of consent, as stated within my first argument.
In essence, teenagers should have a degree of say, because they are capable of understanding medical decisions and shouldn’t be restricted towards the age of consent - which usually is used for sexual consent with another person. In addition, age of consent already does one thing, which is sexual consent to others. It shouldnt dictate what you do to yourself.
The age of consent in most of the US is 16, which I think is a reasonable age to allow the decision.
Well I do respect your opinion; however, teenagers should have more autonomy in terms of their own body. Age of consent should remain just that - the age of consent to sex, not anything else.
In addition, I don’t think we should rely on arguments grounded on opinions - just as its the case with it matching the age of consent, without further clarification. There are also publications such as WHO which further exemplify the point I’m trying to make.
Also, according to this Neuroscience article which is related to gender affirming care:
To conclude, the original argument had unclear motives and objectives - of course feedback had enabled to see this problem. Further evidence has been provided to reinforce the position of decision making to not be based on age of consent. Additionally, within research, age of consent has no influence on personal decision making - in terms of your own self.