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Friend if mine was like “I’ve been sick for weeks and I can’t fucking taste anything!” And I was like, yeah that’s called COVID bro lol
He was one of the non-believers so I find it cathartic
It can be generally said that many (most) viruses evolve to be non-lethal, as lethality reduces their ability to successfully reproduce and thrive. This was the most probable outcome, although epidemiologists warned that “most” doesn’t mean all. Mutations are not predictable. Some viruses are horribly lethal.
Number 5 killer in 2025, and that’s 5 years after killing off the most vulnerable.
Where did you get that info? Source? It was already not even in the top 10 in 2024. Is your claim that it magically jumped to #5 in 2025, when the numbers for 2025 are not officially even out yet?
You would think if that were true, it would be making world headlines.
“Covid-19 fell out of the top 10 causes of death in the United States in 2024, according to new data released Wednesday, and the estimated overall mortality rate declined to its lowest level since 2020.”
https://www.statnews.com/2025/09/10/leading-cause-death-heart-disease-cancer-suicide/
Data Source:
Yeah the problem is they mutate in either direction, the “evolve to be non-lethal” part is essentially just natural selection doing its thing after the fact. But from time to time endemic viruses may just become way more lethal, as can be seen with the Spanish Flu in 1918-1920 and the Manchurian Plague in 1910-1911 (the latter having a death rate of close to 100% and being the reason face masks are widely used today). And while that could be controlled back then, it would be much harder today, given all the global traffic.
But from time to time endemic viruses may just become way more lethal, as can be seen with the Spanish Flu in 1918-1920 and the Manchurian Plague in 1910-1911
That’s not correct. The influenza pandemic was not a new strain of influenza, it was a strain introduced to a naive population of soldiers taken from remote farm areas worldwide and concentrated into one small region of Europe. Then, the soldiers left the war and spread flu all across the remote areas of the US. The flu pandemics are more about naive populations. Same thing happened when Europeans first came to North America and wiped out indigenous populations with influenza.
Very true. Additioally, younger people had not been affected by any major outbreak. There were documented cases that older people, who had survived different previous outbreaks from were not hit as badly in the Spanish flu due to ore-existing natural immunity.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22148/table/a2000c209ttt00007/?report=objectonly
If interested this is a good read. Interesting bit:
"The New York City data also demonstrate that mortality among people aged 45 and older during the 1918–1919 pandemic influenza season was no worse than in surrounding years. For people under age 45, however, the 1918–1919 influenza season was very bad—people in this age group were far more likely to die of influenza than in previous years. Indeed, the age groups at highest absolute risk of dying during the 1918–1919 A(H1N1) pandemic were young children and young and middle-aged adults (Table 1-6).
These findings suggest that the early 1918 pandemic herald wave was spreading as early as February 1918, 6–7 months before the beginning of the explosive 1918–1919 pandemic. Relative to preceding influenza epidemic seasons, both the herald and pandemic waves caused proportionally more mortality in younger age groups but less mortality among those over 45 years of age, possibly as the result of recycling of an H1-like antigen from half a century earlier (Olson et al., 2004). "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22148/#a2000c209rrr00209
Then, the soldiers left the war and spread flu all across the remote areas of the US.
Nah you are missing the point here. There was an already bad influenza strain, and millions of soldiers moving home on densely populated ships for weeks was a perfect environment for it to rapidly mutate and select for virulence and lethality. These soldiers making landfall then spread several strains of the virus, which led to vastly different mortality rates across the US. Much like we saw with Corona viruses rapidly mutating into different strains among the lockdowns.
It as only a “bad” strain because there was a massively immunologically naive population exposed to it.
Again, when Europeans brought over flu, it was minor to them, but killed off the natives. Similarly, native American and Inuit populations were killed at much higher rates in 1918. The Spanish Flu was not some kind of super flu, it was a typical influenza but there was a coincidental world war to spread it around from the US to Europe and back, likely from large US pig farms.
You can read about this here, or not.
It as only a “bad” strain because there was a massively immunologically naive population exposed to it.
Yeah no it don’t think it was, maybe “strain” was the wrong word here. Death rates in Europe were also much higher than usual, so there was definitely some major mutation going on. Naive populations will certainly have played a part, but I still think the virus gaining a captive host population to mutate in for several generations on each of those troop transporters, before those incubated populations were then spread all over the country, had an effect on it being more deadly in America than it was in Europe. I mean even the article you linked seems to suggest as much:
Military transport ships were the likely vector of influenza which was well-established around the world by August of 1918. As the pandemic grew and matured its virulence apparently increased. Mortality rates on the eastern coast of America climbed in newspaper reports, the epidemic seeming to emanate from military bases there. Thus, what had been called the “three day flu” at Camp Funston in March, with a mortality rate of perhaps two-percent, evolved into a much more severe illness in India where mortality rates in some places may have reached ten-percent.
yes, it was expected to turn endemic. the vaccines and lockdowns back then were done to avoid the death waves associated with it’s lethality.
i’d be curious to know the lethality rates in the current strains, certainly not as dramatic as before. or i could watch the damn video before wondering.
It all would come to focusing on age groups. For most young people, say under 40, if you were healthy you are at essentially no risk. If you were over 80, or even over 65 with 2-3 cobormidities then yeah, it was a big concern.
Issue that I have is that most data sets use Relative Risk Reduction over Absolute Risk Reduction which would give a better picture.
This was the percentage of risk out of death, as per the break down of actual cases @ June 2020 from 13 different countries, so 6-7 months before the shot were avaiable for different age groups. Not all countries locked down like the USA or Canada did.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935120307854
Would like to see it compared to today, true.
i mean for every infection a person loses literal braincells and loses some of their total lifespan for the infected organ- like ten years or something from being sick three days.
source: Lola Germs, the researcher publishing to youtube mentioned in the video.
Correct.
Good video. Sad as hell though. I think COVID will be with us forever at this point.
Sad as hell though
Sad as hell was the disaster caused by politicizing the vaccine. The deaths that could have been avoided mostly in '21/22. By now most people are vaccinated and not very much affected, and the virus has mutated towards less dangerous.*
And yes, it’ll be with us forever just like the common cold. Eradicating it was never the plan.
* sorry I should’ve watched the video first. Of course it’s about the USA, things are probably worse there. Around here also Long Covid is being studied and medication is available.
The next round will be much worse, unlike 2019, this time there will be no researchers to study the next pandemic virus and there will be no vaccine. Anyone doing virus research in the US under NIH is shut down.
mRNAs saved millions, won’t happen next time.
Again: in the USA.
still take the vaccine once a year 👌🏻
Unfortunately the latest COVID strain evades vaccines. I’ve had a COVID shot every year since it was available and I caught COVID for the first time (to my knowledge) while traveling 2 weeks ago. I even wore masks, although I was lax about it and didn’t wear a mask in every public place. Still, yes, absolutely keep being vaccinated. But you could still catch it.
Well, yeah, the Covid vaccines do not stop you from getting Covid. Thought this was well stablished back in 2021. In that regard, nothing has changed.
The media and by proxy people blamed it on the unvaccinated. The fact is that the Covid shots do not elicit a strong and in most people even barely measurable IgA antibody response. Only an IgG in, that is want the product does, hence the claim that it will lower side effects when you do catch it, which is what you heard in the news. In the case of Covid, a strong IgA response would grant sterlizing immunity, when was the last rime you even heard that term used in the media after all these years? There is a reason.
And even if the vaccinated person gets a small response of IgA, it will be start dropping after about 2 weeks, so you will catch it then. Only short fix is ro get another shot. Up here in Canada, back then, they were telling high risk patients to think about getting another shot every 60-90 days.
You will always catch Covid if it is around, whether the people around you are vaccinated or unvaccinated. Sorry to say but this claim that this strain gets around the shot was nonsense even back then. Vaccinated people were always going to catch Covid. Symptoms should be lessen though. Pfizer, Moderna, Aztra Seneca et al, never actually claimed their products would provde sterilizing immunity in their legalese, only lessen symptoms.
The Covid 19 vaccines are twice a year.
Depends on where you live, because science is different depending on geography apparently.
Considering I live in the US, I keep waiting to get turned away because mr brainworm at the FDA says so. I wonder if we’re even going to see them approve the updated vaccines for new strains.
Is t that basically the trajectory of most colds/flus? They end up mutating to the point they gimp themselves for most people? For some they still fuck people up, but for most it lessens over time.
The problem is that covid still carries a significantly higher risk of causing chronic fatigue, other chronic illness, and life-altering disability and the risk is cumulative.
For now. Basically my point is that it’s 1) going to be around forever and 2) will lessen in potency for more and more people as time goes on.
Unfortunately right now we’re in the “can fuck with a small but still statistically significant portion of the population, but majority of people are fine” part of the curve.
over time most people get immunity and we get a herd effect of protection, which we can speed up with vaccines.
I haven’t taken a deep breath since 2020.
When our time comes, we will make no excuses.
I might have it right now (╥﹏╥)
See if you can get a script for paxlovid. It reduces the chances of long-term sequelae. The zerocovid subreddit has some resources in cheap/free ways to get it
same. help yourself by atleast eating and excercising and sleeping sufficiently.
i can yap on abt what i am considering for myself if wanted
Exercising a lot when you have Covid can be risky and is bad advice.
We’re so thoroughly vaccinated that we aren’t even encouraged to test for it anymore. So I don’t even know if I have a regular flu or Covid. I think I can feel a difference though.
Coronavirus infection is very different than influenza. Most people who say they have flu just have a rhinovirus or coronavirus.
Covid is a corona virus. 🤔
