Nord.redThe FCC Just Banned the Sale of New Wi-Router Models Made Outside US
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The surprising order means any new Wi-Fi router models sold in the country must be US-made, or receive an exemption from the Pentagon or Homeland Security Department.
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They’re gonna tell you this is the only way to be sure that routers don’t contain a backdoor. They’re gonna tell themselves this is the only way to be sure that routers do contain a backdoor.
It can be both.
Domestic spying good foreign spying bad
Obvious move toward even more of a surveillance state. My current router is not US made and my next one definitely won’t be. Buying American made is buying a little piece of fascism.
Very little is American made.
I have some insight for the average joe.
When you buy an American made product its a sham 99% of the time.
I used to run an injection molding machine for a job. And made parts for a well known brand.
The parts where made from LG plastics from china, on a Japanese injection molding machine ran by me. That got paid $16.40 an hour, with no benefits.
The parts said “made in America” on the mold.
Utter sham, im all for american jobs. But its bullshit to say its made in america. When all the parts that make it are not American.
There should be some legal president that if it says “made in america” it must be 98% american resources.
Not some dog eggs, of well i bought some plastic from china and the machine from japan. And had the american press the button to make the part. Therefore its an american made product.
Now im not saying all company’s are like that but majority of them are.
We get parts from Japan, unassembled. They already have made in america stamped into the side. They get put together by a couple robots and sent out the door with a huge markup for the locally manufactured parts. Local heroes keeping the community employed since 1986!
Exemptions will be sold by Trump to major manufacturers outside of the US. They will also come with mandatory back doors.
Welp, time to stock up on some older routers or make my own. This country is looking more Orwellian by the day.
curious (well not really) that it is only consumer grade. nothing about business grade, of even a deliniation as to where “pro-sumer” falls. if this is a big brother situation then the consumer only thing makes perfect sense. it also drives users back to isp supplied hardware which means more rental fees, so more money CEOs.
Won’t be surprised if the ISP provided hardware is going to be the only allowed stuff. For you and me, not for the gov’t or companies though. They specifically only mentioned “consumer grade” and also specifically state that products sold to or used by the federal gov’t are not restricted at all. Seems like that carve-out is backwards if these things are such big “security risks”…
Oh no. What will we do.
Oh yeah. just build one in a white box.
https://www.computernetworkingnotes.com/linux-tutorials/how-to-configure-and-use-linux-as-a-router.html
Put it before the white box, then wireguard or ygg out to a vps. Fuck ‘em.
I did this 20 years ago, I can do it again…
does this support wireless, aka Wi-Fi? I can’t tell from a ~1 minute skim
Yes. Linux can (usually though not always) drive a wifi card as an access point.
If there are drivers for your card, yes.
not reading it either, but if they don’t say how, you just configure hostapd
Just to remind you as the surveillance state crawls further up between your kidneys that Epstein used a free gmail account hosted on US servers and nobody did dick about him.
Bro was dead ass talking about diddling kids on main in plaintext and they say they need to ban encryption to catch criminals.
Yeah but I’m poor. All the laws apply to me no matter how stupid and hypocritical.
When filing for an exemption, the company needs to submit a specific plan for how they’re going to move manufacturing to the US 💀
Make up shit and backtrack once trump is out of office, just like they did during the first administration.
Same goes for EV’s, mobile phones etc. The US is one of the most limited countries in the world with regards to choice.
So much freedom
So the spyware will be built into American-made routers. Got it.
OH BOY! State sanctioned surveillance because backdoors are necessary.
Interesting addition to the “free market” system we all just love so, so much.
Its obvious its for spying. Until there is a telescope stuck up every non rich citizens ass the US government will not give up.
People should rewatch that interview with the creator of Lavabit and how the feds forced him into a shutdown because he wouldn’t play their spy games.
He is still not allowed to talk about all the details of it either. “What about my first amendment rights” he said in the interview.
You know, just things in the land of the free™
Do you have a link to it? I don’t think I’ve ever seen it, so idk what to look for.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=spW0q-g2BxU&pp=ygUZTGF2YWJpdCBmb3VuZGVyIGludGVydmlldw%3D%3D
I’m sorry its a YouTube link I would link invidious or something similar but man I can’t ever seem to get the links to those to reliably work consistently.
No worries, those services are pretty hit or miss for me as well.
Thanks for the link, I’ll watch this later today :)
No way tech companies won’t manipulate this to their benefit right? Gonna be having routers shipped in decoy packages. I’m not buying backdoor infested mess they’re gonna peddle at an unreasonable price cause there can be no outside competition.
I’m in Ohio. I wonder how hard it’d be to drive to Canada, pick up a router, and drive back?
Or hell……maybe just drive to Canada. I’m sure I can find a job and a place to live, right? Just go to a Tim Hortons and say “Hey, I’m gonna work hete now, because fuck America!” and Canadians are like, legally obligated to be nice. I’m sure it’ll all work out, as long as I share some donuts.
The hardest part will be getting used to pink money.
I mean, seriously Canada? You a big fan of monopoly money?
You jest, but I suspect this is going to be a Thing. I mean, people were willing to do it for eggs (and getting caught at the border), and a router’s a rather larger purchase.
what if th government prohibits your ISP from initilizing your routers MAC address because its not one on an approved list?
So the FCC won’t let me be, or let me be me, so let me see…they try to shut down the internet on my pc, but it would be so empty without me!
Made me chuckle in these dark times. Cheers!
Then make it lie. Spoofing is a thing that sometimes works!
Routers are not modems.
Put your router behind the company issued modem and then VPN out.
Every broadband connection I’ve had looks at the mac address of whatever is behind the modem, the modem essentially passes it through.
No it doesn’t. Go learn about networking, the OSI model, and ARP tables if you believe that.
Be less of an asshole, it’s free. I’ve been sniffing packets from cable modems since the 90s. I even remember the mac address of my first network card - 00a0cc52cac7, because mediaone gave out persistent hostnames based on your mac address before they were bought by at&t. I once putty’d into my machine from Katmandu just because I could. Incidentally, when I called at&t support to find out if this would continue, their support rep had no idea what I was talking about, and after I mentioned mac addresses, he suggested I call apple.
So ship all the parts here and assemble them here… foreign companies have been doing this for decades.
I’m sure some moron thinks this will “create jobs”. I’ll let you guess who the moron is.
This is about surveillance, not jobs.
I’m guessing to receive an exemption they just need to pay a relatively cheap bribe
*Unless you pay tribute to the authoritarian government.
This will not stand. Remember, TACO.
as far as I know, a similar ban on new models of drones still stands after several months.
Does anyone have any suggestions on a router I should buy before this comes into effect? Would prefer one that is open source or can run an open OS.
Can a raspberry pi be used to make a router?
A pi can definitely be used, but you may get much better performance for a similar price getting a refurbished pc, adding a second nic, and installing something like opnsense.
this isn’t for everyone. if you don’t know what a subnet or gateway are then this isn’t for you.
get yourself a micro firewall appliance. something with an N100 Intel. should have around 5 network ports, you’ll only really need 2 if you’re just hooking up internet.
you’ll also want to get an unmanaged network switch. this will take your one port on your router and split it into 8,12,24,48, etc.
you’ll also want to install opnsense or pfsense on your router, configure it correctly, and maintain updates going forward.
Why do I need the network switch?
think of the network switch like a coax splitter on a TV antenna. it takes one port and allows many devices to connect.
in opnsense each port on the router can be setup as a completely different network subnet. this is actually the default and the easiest to configure.
for me personally, I have one port for regular network access. one for secure no internet access (things like cameras, IOT, smart devices). and one for a work network so all my work devices connect directly to the internet and bypass all my other infrastructure.
this gives me flexibility for all the devices on my network, but for most people is overkill.
you can set opnsense up to use all ports under one network, but it’s kind of a PITA from my experience.
Look into banana pi r3 or r4. Both should be on openwrt stable now.
This will benefit a few specific big brands that have the lawyers to figure out the spaghetti mess of free trade agreements and origin rules.
Brendan Carr is such a dummy!
So just buy in a commerce site in Europe and import it
I wonder if this has anything to do with them clawing back WiFi7 spectrum for resale.
Given Ubiquiti’s Russian connections, and TP Link’s Chinese connections, this honestly isn’t surprising.
Ubiquity doesn’t have Russian connections, Russians just use them as they can’t be remotely disabled and they are decent hardware.