- cross-posted to:
- mop@quokk.au
- cross-posted to:
- mop@quokk.au
cross-posted from: https://pawb.social/post/42620143
Their lives are blissful… free from the burden of self doubt.
Revolutionary Spain represents an example of extremely effective armed resistance to the rise of fascist forces backed by Hitler and Mussolini, surviving for years. By contrast, many established democracies collapsed relatively quickly when invaded.
For more information, you can check out an anarchist FAQ’s answer to the question, “Does revolutionary Spain show that libertarian socialism can work in practice?”. For a more current example of an anarchist society working in practice, you could also check out the Zapatista movement, an anarchist society which today consists of at least 300,000 people.
If you’re unfamiliar with anarchism, you probably have some misconceptions about it, so I encourage you to watch the Q&Anarchy video series by Thought Slime or have a look through an Anarchist FAQ, because it’s almost definitely nothing like what you think.
Why don’t we compare to some other nations, to see how long they lasted before falling to fascism?
Greece: 7-8 months
Norway: 2 months
France: 6 weeks
Poland: 5 weeks
Belgium: 18 days
Netherlands: 5 days
Denmark: 6 hours
Revolutionary Spain: 2 years, 9 months
That implies that the Anarchists ever took control of the nation away from the Nationalist party which knelt down to the Nazis IMMEDIATELY. So not only was it a failed state, but a failed revolution which never controlled the state.
the point of anarchism is not to control the state, but rather to stop having one. for the territory that made up anarchist Spain, that was successfully achieved. it’s no weakness of anarchism itself to be defeated militarily; all kinds of societies have been defeated militarily.
That’s kind of my point. They didn’t manage to do that. Spain still existed, and even stamped out the anarchists.
they did it for years in a significant territory. the state had no power there during that time. that was a success, even if it was rolled back by a nationalist military (supported by nazi Germany) and undermined by authoritarian communists. also, again, there’s rojava & zapatista Mexico currently, plus other historical examples.
why are you demanding an impossible standard of perfection before you are willing to fight for a better life for yourself and everyone else? that’s just doomerism and it serves the capitalists.
it’s hard to keep your brand new society when the tanks show up immediately. this is not a weakness of anarchism or any political system.
you can look to rojava and the zapatistas for an example of defense that has worked for years despite long odds.
It’s not an “impossible standard” to expect a movement to create any lasting changes, or even at a bare minimum oppose fascism, to be considered a success.
You’ve had multiple examples of things pointed out to you that meet that standard. It just doesn’t look like anything to you.
Liberalism embraces fascism. Liberalism becomes fascism.
You are a fascist.
Lmfao
The Nationalists were the fucking nazis, my guy, the clue is right there in the name. They were backed by Hitler and Mussolini.
Clearly, unless the anarchists somehow defeated the German Reich and Italy pretty much single-handedly, you view it as a failure. Yet, while neoliberalism is failing now, you don’t see the failures of liberalism.