- cross-posted to:
- mop@quokk.au
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- mop@quokk.au
cross-posted from: https://pawb.social/post/42620143
Their lives are blissful… free from the burden of self doubt.
Revolutionary Spain represents an example of extremely effective armed resistance to the rise of fascist forces backed by Hitler and Mussolini, surviving for years. By contrast, many established democracies collapsed relatively quickly when invaded.
For more information, you can check out an anarchist FAQ’s answer to the question, “Does revolutionary Spain show that libertarian socialism can work in practice?”. For a more current example of an anarchist society working in practice, you could also check out the Zapatista movement, an anarchist society which today consists of at least 300,000 people.
If you’re unfamiliar with anarchism, you probably have some misconceptions about it, so I encourage you to watch the Q&Anarchy video series by Thought Slime or have a look through an Anarchist FAQ, because it’s almost definitely nothing like what you think.
Anarchism is completely compatible with individuals acting according to their self interest - indeed, egoist anarchism is entirely centered around that concept, but other anarchist traditions are fully compatible with self-interest. An incredible amount of optimism in human co-operation and selflessness is not necessary.
You’ve unintentionally touched on what makes anarchism so stable - by its very nature because it is built by the people who live and work in an area, it can be perfectly attuned to meet their needs! An anarchist society formed in a city would be completely different from one formed in the rural countryside. It is not an imposed blueprint for society that follows some dogma, it’s an approach where everyone involved in the society has a say in how it’s run, and no one has power over others. That’s all!
So stable*
*for a couple of years
Put some respect on your elders.
Nobody sane wants to live like the Zapatistas.
Speak for yourself, because that sounds fucking awesome, to me.
There are signs and magazines in North Korea declaring it the happiest and most prosperous nation on earth, would you not rather live in the happiest place?
North Korea is an oppressive, totalitarian state, with limited freedoms, so no, I would prefer not to live there, even if everyone there truly was happy, because I believe in freedom.
That is why I oppose liberal ideology, because it enables the wage slavery of the working class for the benefit of the ruling class.
Do you have any actual objections to life under the Zapatistas, or are you just going to continue vagueposting about how it must be bad because you decided it must be?
That’s not what their sign says, though. You posted a Zapatistas sign that says it’s free and uncorrupt, and the DPRK has the same sign.
The Zapatistas live in isolation surrounded by a bunch of men with guns, it sounds less like freedom and more like constant threat of violence to keep people in line.
The people have armed themselves to protect themselves from people like you. They are more free than you can possibly imagine, and that idea terrifies you.
You do realize that the Zapatistas, before this recent trouble with “Blaming the government (that they don’t need) for not controlling the cartels” tightly restricted entry to and interaction with their territory from outsiders, with journalists only allowed to ask questions when accompanied by EZLN guards?
There’s a long laundry-list of problems with how the Zapatistas have ‘settled in’ to their role since the turn of the century.
Oh no, they protect themselves, how terrible. Is this the best you got? The US is executing their own people in the street and has one of the largest imprisoned populations in the world, but anarchists have a border and rules that were collectively decided by the residents to protect people?
They’ve literally hosted international conferences this year. I literally cannot with you people.
Please disengage, I’m sick of the bad faith bullshit.
It is not a nationwide example of anarchy, so no
that is a really weird bar to have to clear. “well, your anarchy doesn’t conform to our borders, so it doesn’t count” ???
challenging something that has never worked long term, yeah really weird (a community is a nice example if thats all the proof you think you need). If you think it works, go for it mate. Teach your neighbour how to make bread and trade in seashells but youll have to cross your fingers each day that everyone in your community continues to think like you do.
You’re a perfect example of the original meme, just moving the goalposts constantly.
I haven’t forgotten the time you refused to accept that a society without homelessness would be good so I have no doubt you’re arguing in bad faith at this point.
I hope one day you’ll figure things out and join us, but until then, we’ll fight for you. Much love and solidarity forever!
Oh yeah lol you’re the person posting about ideologies in a shitpost thread.
Also my issue was with how you were wording things, just like the other person you were agruing with, but we were in agreement.
Nah its ok, you can leave me out if it. Cheers.
Yes, the word “good” is so inscrutable and mysterious, whatever could it mean.
The other guy making that argument literally self-identified as a narcissist, by the way.
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anarchism rejects nations, so why should its success be judged based on national borders? a successful society is av successful society
You’re right, i guess that’s why it’s been so successful.