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As an American, I also don’t trust the US firms with my data.
I don’t trust anyone with my data. Regardless of their nationality.
Me either, but I also have zero faith in Europe to guard human rights. There are no good guys here.
I don’t trust Europeans with anything. I’ve lived there twice. The tyranny of the majority will destroy Europe very soon.
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Don’t kid yourselves. Once Europe develops its own big tech, it’s going to be just as untrustworthy. But at least it will be your untrustworthy.
It’s the EU trying to read everyone’s chat messages because .001% of the population might use the technology for sending CSAM.
It’s the EU trying to read everyone’s chat messages because .001% of the population might use the technology for sending CSAM.
That’s only the excuse the politicians are using. In reality there’s a combination of intelligence services and datamining operations pushing for scanning ordinary law-abiding citizens communications.
Europe tech often times are open source with commercial service.
At least it’s better than whatever Google, Microsoft, or Tencent.
For now, the EU has strong data protection laws that the US and China don’t have. Although it is true that stupid ideas like Chat Control keep popping up every couple of years.
Ideally, though, you put them in countries close to the EU but not part of it, like Switzerland.
Boy do I have some news for you. ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
https://youtu.be/Kw96Qh0-rs0 (Gotta use auto-subs)Data control laws to prevent the sale of data not the government use of data.
governments often buy data instead of obtaining the necessary warrants, because its easier and more effective. if they can’t buy it, they have to do it the harder way, and the harder way can be made even harder with legislation
The us isn’t fond of other countries spying on you either. The state has not relinquished any amount of power or control in my lifetime. Europe caring about privacy is a facade.
Its one step better at least
I honestly feel safer with my data in a foreign authorities hands than domestic.
China can’t do dick to me nor should they want to. I’m just a lil guy! The US does nasty things to its citizens on the reg, I don’t wanna be caught up in that!
they can do plenty enough to be worried. maybe they can not harm you physically (for now), but by having access to details of the private lives of people, their conversations, and being able to see how they form their opinions, they can use that information to determine how can they reshape public opinion on topics of their interests. this information can be used by themselves, or they can pass it to an ally, and it could be used to change almost anything, like interfere with elections, or further erode the need for privacy so that people are willingly giving up even more data to them
Yeah just don’t travel to China. Imagine how awkward it’ll be in the airport when they tell you, “sorry, we have all your porn history and we don’t admit folks with poop fetishes.”
I’d like to think they’d be more accommodating.
“Ahhh Mr. Albatross, we’ve seen your social media traffic and we’ve been expecting you! In anticipation of your arrival, we’ve prepared some lovely poop, if you would just step this way…”
Or America, who will reject your Visa for having a meme on JD Vance on your phone
I dont trust the US with my data … or anything. This place is run by literal idiots and/or criminals.
Elon Musk is the middle of that Venn Diagram.
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Seems like 2 out of 10 Europeans need to get their head checked.
If we’re being real I don’t really trust anyone with my data.
Don’t trust anyone, not even yourself.
Full time ass job to keep up with every single security bulletin.
What’s an ass job? Like, butt stuff?
Yes. It’s a shit job. But it’s honest work
Full time ass job
Sounds exhausting.
Leaves you utterly pooped.
Send it to me. I’ll keep it safe. I promise not to share it.
TIL I’m European.
Joke is on you, I trust no one with my data.
Me neither, not even myself.
I forgot my own name. Can somebody tell me where my home is?
Try Google it, I’m sure they’ll know.
I’m currently in the process of degoogling. There’s a lot to consider.
It can be tough to do, I finally just got off Google photos backing up my pictures and videos maybe 2 weeks ago.
I already had them also being sent to my PC with resilio sync, but since I moved to Linux I didn’t have backblaze anymore (B2 is too expensive for me and their “unlimited” cloud backup is mac and windows only) and didn’t know of any affordable alternatives so I wasn’t willing to drop my only cloud backup even if it’s Google.
Eventually I canceled the annual storage plan and said “I’ll figure it out by then”, didn’t figure it out, found jottacloud after that and am now using that.
Congratulations, you’ve come to your senses.
I don’t trust politico with my news articles
I trust Chinese firms more than American ones…
If I’m going to ask for ai help because I don’t know how to do basic coding, I’m asking deepseek instead of clammy sam Altman bot
I trust that Chinese Firms won’t directly lead to my door being kicked in by ICE.
That is more than I can say about American firms.
This applies only if you’re american. Which is a small part of the world.
Outside Cuba which part of the world are you more concerned with China kicking in the door instead of ICE.
Chinese firms are more worthy of your trust than american ones, but its still not a positive number.
I can unterstand that but it still sound like copeing to me.
It is definitely a ‘there is bad guy so alternative to bad guy is good guy’ without understanding what kind of setting theure talking about sorta problem.
True
Or straight up tribalism. Which is nope.
To be fair, I don’t trust European companies with it either. As the saying goes: “Where there’s a trough, there will be pigs.” Want to keep your data safe? Keep it.
Yes, bit wary of these current trends that try to paint Europe as this holier than thou place where everyone only thinks about the polar bears and UBI, when the truth is we have plenty of capitalist sharks in our ranks that would be happy burning it all down for the next quarterly results.
To be fair, we have the GDPR in Europe, which puts people at ease. However, this could be weakened or rid of entirely in order for the EU to become more “competitive” some day. Even the climate change goals of the EU has already been weakened so that we could catch up to the AI race. As sad as it is, it’s just the realpolitik influencing decisions.
The EU keeps coming within inches of voting for making secure encryption impossible. Chat Control would have been worse for privacy than anything the US has.
Don’t pretend like Chat Control is ever going to get through.
Each time they are going to vote it down, it gets retracted and changed slightly so they can try again. And every time it gets voted down again.
Politicians know that they would get out-voted in the next election if they go through with it.
Iirc they just passed something that enforced the opposite to chat control to stop the constant reintroduction of the same over reaching law
And every year new open mass surveillance worse than the UK and US attempts to be passed and barely fails.
GDPR also doesn’t mean shit if it is barely enforced against large companies or the fines aren’t revenue-proportional… Then it is just a cost of doing business.
Let me assure you that in the large companies I’ve worked with, GDPR is taken very seriously.
The Chinese can do less harm with my data than the US and it’s allies.
For now.
The problem is that once it’s out there, you can’t take it back.
Of course.
Personally I have given up on that. I try to either use false information when they don’t need the real data or throwaway" emails and SEPA and one time credit card numbers for banking stuff.
I don’t trust any company with my data ever, so I’m constantly paranoid in a way.
Okay but what’s the risk if the cccp will find out I can’t write a fucking yaml for the life of me?
They can hold it against you if they take over whatever country you are from.
Your job chip implant will make you a delivery boy instead of a programmer.
Let me put things this way: after my last AliExpress purchase I was targetted for the first time in my life by a PayPal fishing phone call from India (starting with a pre-recorded message in my native language but then switching to some guy speaking English with an Indian accent).
Somebody I know has been targetted twice by “you package is awaiting at customs” phishing messages after making purchases at AliExpress.
Maybe coincidence, maybe AliExpress is having their trade payment processing ops outsourced to somebody that sells it to people that will use it to fraudulently pass themselves as a natural entity involved in the purchase process (like PayPal or the destination country’s Customs) or maybe AliExpress themselves sell that data. Judging by the amount of outright fraudulent sales claims there (the capacity of any power storage devices is at times hilarious, as is the output wattage of solar panels and storage capacity of external SSDs), my bet is the latter, though if it’s not that totally not giving a shit about the risk of the second possibility is almost a certainty.
That kind of “why should I care” bullshit you’re peddling is exactly the same kind of bullshit that was peddled a decade and a half ago about having one’s e-mail with Google, and look at were we are now.
Unless you’re stupidly isolated from it (not even giving them your e-mail), you’re going to leak stuff that can be used against you, even if only by criminals (and the authorities in China couldn’t give a rat’s arse about their people swindling or stealing from laowai).
Like in the US, it’s going to be “Free Enterprise” abusing data about even if the local authorities don’t really care about you.
The real question is why did you give your phone number to AlliExpress?
Secondly, why answer an unknown number?
It’s used by the delivery people to contact me if they can’t find the delivery place or I’m not there. Also some of the local delivery companies will, for more expensive things, send the recipient an SMS with a code that you then give to the delivery person so that they know for sure they’re delivering to the right person (or somebody authorized by them).
It’s actually a pretty good way to solve a lot of problems with delivery, but it does mean I need to have a mobile phone number which ends up in the hands of at least two entities.
You should just contact the carrier to give them your number after the order is placed. Preferably you could just include your actual number as instructions for the delivery driver (if they have that. ) Doing that cuts out even more middle men and your number isn’t officially logged.
That would require for me to know which carrier would be doing the final leg of the delivery when the package is in my country, which often I don’t and it over time there’s even new carriers popping up.
A much simpler solution is to have a second mobile number which I give out for these things which is actually quite easy since I can just use a Pay As You Go SIM.
Might be worth changing the number AliExpress has on archive for me, though by now if the sold or leaked that info, it can’t be undone.
In this case, you use common sense and be suspicious of anyone with a foreign accent making unsolicited phone calls…especially those with Indian accents. The ones you should look out for are the scams that involve AI spoofing a family member’s voice.
The less info about you is out there, the less handles they have to pass themselves for those who can legitimatelly ask money from you or which control access to your money, be they family, friends, your bank, the government and so on.
They can’t spoof a family member’s voice if they don’t know who is your family or have access to samples of their voice - both things often obtainable via Facebook and would also be obtainable via a Chinese equivalent one might be tempted to use instead.
Anyways, my point is that Chinese companies are inherently no more trustworthy than American ones, they’re just not as bad yet because they don’t yet have the same access to masses and masses of personal information for people all over the World - once they do, they’ll be just as bad because regulations in China are also shit and they don’t give a damn about foreigners.
