Blåhaj PieFedSUVs are making Britain’s potholes worse, say scientists
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/apr/11/suv-bri…
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Pretty sure it transport trucks and lorries that do most of the damage, but sure blame SUVs everyone hates those right?
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I don’t own a SUV I own an EV which is another type of vehicle that gets blamed for wrecking roads due their weight. Roads are designed around the largest vehicle that commonly use them. For example in suburban neighbourhoods that would be a garbage truck. Would SUVs increase road wear sure, but Increased traffic and less road maintenance would be bigger factors then SUVs.
forty tonners rarely turn up in your cul-de-sac with shagged roads, but nobody has a front garden because everyone has two crossovers.
MrScottyTayPor que no los dos.
Plus the lorries and HGVs have a actual purpose and use, whereas 95% of all SUVs could be replaced by a smaller car with their owner still being able to do what they need to do.
SUVs are small, lifted cars with a ridiculous amount of padding. They are such useless vehicles. Truly one of the dumbest things to hit the automobile market. I can’t take people seriously in these things.
It is experimentally measured that road damage is proportional to fourth power of weight on an axle. And most of the trucks have multiple axles that distribute the weight. But SUVs while being lighter only have 2 axles, so the road damage done isn’t that much smaller. So I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the damage was done by SUVs, since there are much more od them.
They’re necessary though (unless we’re going to spend a lot of money improving freight train and waterway freight infrastructure) SUV’s aren’t necessary
BaŝtoYes, it is about weight. It would generally be good to reduce the amount of heavy vehicles on roads or to let heavy vehicles pay more. There are countries who have issues with more freight traffic being on the road than it should be. (Freight trains have cheaper infrastructure for long-distance stuff)
Increasing number of heavier vehicles
EV’s are the heavyweights so we collectively need to decide whether we’re going to improve roads or reduce car traffic
Depends, some that don’t have oversized batteries aren’t too bad compared to any other modern car…
A large part of the weight of modern cars is crash protection structures, regardless of if it’s an EV or not…
The overall size of the vehicle is the biggest determining factor in its weight though…
IllecorsWhile the primary reason for pothole formation remained the freezing and thawing of rainwater over wet winters, and the heaviest vehicles, such as lorries, were likely to cause immediate damage, the growing weight of cars was worsening road surfaces.
Yeah. Clickbait.
mannycalaveraYou can’t stop boomers buying SUVs. It’s as much as a status symbol to them as Adidas trainers are to kids (I might be showing my age here do kids still care about Adidas?).
Tax the fuck out of heavier vehicles. Put that money back into the roads. Why most of the inner city streets needs a mini tractor riding up and down them is beyond me. But it’s not going to stop. So deal with the problem better.
Good thing I have a new bike. Off road suspension can take all the craters in the road pretty well.
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Egoist mentality : “I’m scared of others, I need a car that looks like a tank so that at least I’m safe, even it means other are less so.”
Arguably capitalism is fostering “optimizations” but unfortunately it does so entirely amorally. When the only metric is profit then everything else becomes a negative externality to ignore.
TL;DR: yep.
Of course but fuel taxes increase because their mileage is better (more pounds per km). SUVs should pay more taxes proportional to their weight and height. I now see SUV-like vans that could ram twenty children before noticing anything
See also https://xkcd.com/3167/
Road wear is ~n^4 where n is vehicle weight. Of course it’s because of SUVs.
So if if a 400 lb motorbike costs 1 penny per mile in road damage, the 4000 lb SUV should be paying 60 bucks and the 40,000 lb tractor trailer 1 million dollars?
Or is it divided by contact area?
First line of the linked wikipedia article.
Good, sell your car and ride the bus/train. If you live somewhere that isn’t feasible, move somewhere it is.
Every pothole that makes keeping a car untenable is actually the hero every traffic cop thinks he’ll be someday.
The group that’s most at risk due to bad road conditions, motorcycles, did nothing to deserve this.
They’re still using an internal combustion engine in a personal vehicle. They’re still destroying the ecosystem for their own minor convenience.
Fuck em, I hope they crash.
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I really hope you are a troll lobbying for the car industry … because a rando questioning the credential of an Oxford professor which we can verify with a single DuckDuckGo query reading “Professor Christian Brand is an interdisciplinary environmental scientist, physicist and geographer with over 25 years research experience in academic and consultancy environments.” from the page of one of the most prestigious university in the World, for centuries, is really weird.
It doesn’t mean though that appeal to authority is right and thus that whatever Prof Christian Brand writes is correct. It’s not because he’s a professor researching in the area of expertise of the paper that he’s right… but his credentials are definitely on point.
You are incorrect.
First, all three are scientists with active research interests: - https://eps.leeds.ac.uk/faculty-engineering-physical-sciences/staff/11618/dr-ali-rahman - https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/aboutus/people/goodman.anna - https://www.kellogg.ox.ac.uk/our-people/christian-brand/ (where you can see he does in fact hold a Masters and a Doctorate)
Secondly, you appear to be comparing a “crossover” SUV against one of the worst EVs, one that was released in 2019. As a point of comparison, my Leaf has a minimum kerb weight of about fifteen hundred and something.
Pretty sure they are scientists. It’s a broad term as far as I know, and anyways these are (probably) smart people (judging by their titles/jobs) and what they are saying or concluding from data is just common sense: heavier car = more wear and tear on road surfaces.
Anyways: Are you saying it could be EVs too? That’s probably likely to be causing some of this too, I think they are generally 500kg heavier than gas cars.
Another reason to add to the “EVS ARENT THE SOLUTION” pile?
Why target SUVs when EVs are even heavier.
because suvs are unnecessarily heavy and evs are not.
They’re actually very similar weights.
Because they aren’t.
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