Let’s start with a smartphone. A user creates an account with a passkey for a service, that passkey gets stored on their smartphone, and they can use biometrics to sign in from then on. The private key is stored on the smartphone. Great.
But then how do you sign into that same service from a different device?
If it’s by using a password manager, some third party piece of software, How do you sign in on a device where you’re not allowed to install third party software?
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How do you sign in on a device where you’re not allowed to install third party software?
You don’t. Passkeys are very ecosystem-centric right now. If you are in apple, google, or Microsoft entirely, they will all allow you to move your passkeys around to different systems using the same basic mechanism they used for password keeping. Moving across ecosystems is absolutely broken - or rather - has never worked.
I think there are mechanisms to allow passkeys to work via Bluetooth or even via camera, as an external authenticator essentially, but I’ve never personally tried them.
Some password managers support passkeys, such as one password and proton pass, which will allow you to use multiple different devices. Personally, I am waiting for key pass to have proper support before starting to migrate to them.
Is keepass actually going to have support for passphrases? The author works in archaic ways and I have a feeling he’s never going to truly support it.
Keepass or keepassxc? Xc i think is a community fork.
I mean regular keepass, I feel like XC is more likely to implement passkeys
Okay, I see I have never used a regular one. I think I read to use XC by default. Somewhere. And so that’s the one I’ve always used. I’ve never even downloaded the original one.
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I use sync on android but I believe it’s a bug in the API so it should be everywhere
Just try to reply to the comment and you’ll see it
this has been a thing for a few months now
Good to know
Service shows you a code that you scan with your device. This code transfers some challenge and information where to send a response. Your device checks if you’re you and then sends a response telling the server you try to log in that hey this guys is indeed the guy, here’s the problem I solved using my private key (asynchronous encryption).
I use 1Password as my Passkey holder so it’s device agnostic. But if 1Password ever pulls a LastPass, it won’t seem like a clever solution anymore.
1Password can’t fail that hard easily. They’ve done great write-ups to compare their architecture to that of LastPass. Long story short: it’s the secret key that protects you: https://blog.1password.com/what-the-secret-key-does/
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We’re in the process of adopting BitWarden at my job. I’m liking it so far. Not enough to convince my family to switch (yet), but enough that I wouldn’t hesitate to jump over there if I needed to.
I would suggest to move to KeepassXC, which already shown that even when KeepassX was too slow to implement features the community was healthy enough to fork it and make it the main fork.
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I’ve used it on a iPhome once with a Syncthing alternative client and some alternative Keepass app. It worked very well but it was only for a month or two and I don’t change passwords often so I might not realized that syncing doesn’t work well.
Depending on the site, you can use one device to login to another without installing additional software. For instance, if you have an iPhone with a passkey for microsoft.com stored on it, you can login to Microsoft.com using the iPhone.
Here is a webpage that has some screenshots to show you what I mean. You can probably google some other examples.
It is possible to sync passkeys across devices but at this point is mainly within a single ecosystem.
Passkeys should display a QR Code for you to scan with a trusted device if you try to use them on a device that doesn’t have your passkey stored.
Short answer: they don’t very well yet.
I would really recommend never using bio metrics on your phone regardless of the context. It is easier to fake that you would want it to be. Also you are legally allowed to not tell the law your password. But they can take your biometrics by force.
Edit people really love their biometrics lol
I’ve got a pair of YubiKeys that I use to back my passkeys. Works great; I’ve got passkeys that work within the Apple, Microsoft and Google ecosystems and don’t have to worry about password prompts for the most part — but I DO need a YubiKey handy to validate that it’s actually me at the device.
My keys use both NFC and USB-C and work across all my passkeys supported devices when I add in a USB adapter.
One spends most of its time in a safe deposit box, and the other lives on my physical keychain.
To use it, the person would need to be logged in on a device I own (that’s password protected) AND have one of the keys (which also requires a PIN).
Sounds much safer than biometrics.
Definitely. Costs extra, has an extra step to set up, and has an extra step to use, but is so much more secure.
That said, biometrics are better than “1234”. I have no issues with people who have bad password hygiene moving to biometrics, which at least add an extra barrier for account compromise.
But for the rest of us, physical security tokens are definitely the way to go.
