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  • Archr@lemmy.worldtoLinux@lemmy.mlsystemd(ont)
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    2 days ago

    Strange I guess I am not aware of any distros that come with network drives pre-configured. But either way that would be a configuration error on the distro’s side then. Waiting for a network share to be available is actually a feature to many.

    Say for instance you had critical data on the network share then you might not want to boot if that is not available. And if you don’t then you might mark the share as nobootwait.

    Without knowing what the configuration on this specific drive you are having trouble with I really could not say what is wrong.


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    3 days ago

    If you are having those issues with booting maybe it is because you configured your network share incorrectly? If you are waiting on shutdown timeouts for something then just go edit the timeout. systemctl edit <stuck thing>.

    Typically when I crawl through journald it is to diagnose a problem with a specific application. Actually, the fact that those logs are easily accessible in a centralized place with easy to understand commands to access them is a reason why systemd (or more specifically systemd-journald) is so great.

    The only times that I have had major issues like that was either because (A) I misconfigured something or (B) a package came misconfigured.








  • No. I am more referring to how we left parents to let their children have free reign of the internet and they got injured. It is exactly because we cannot trust parents to moderate what their children do online that these laws are coming up. Do you think we would still get these laws if there were no children on the internet (maybe still for pron but that is because people are prudes).

    I see that you edited your comment to take this part out but I do want to talk about it anyways.

    You compared this to having automatic roads that shift risky drivers to their own space and how that would be ridiculous. Which it would be. But comparing a law like this to driving is an awful comparison.

    Until recently there were very few laws regulating what a child is allowed to access online. But that is just not the same as driving. States require that you get a license, take a test, follow road rules, get your vehicle inspected, and many more requirements. We have these requirements because we know that we should not let an untrained driver on the road.


  • So fucking true. Once you get more than a hundred systems or so it feels like something new to resolve every day. Especially when your work let’s people with no idea what they are doing have root on “their” servers.

    I have dealt with issues ranging from someone uninstalling subscription manager (RHEL) and then clearing the package cache to people replacing chronyd with ntpd for… Reasons? I guess?

    I have thought about using bazzite but I prefer debian based as well as using more general purposed distros. So I am just on basic debian.


  • I just want to make sure that we do agree on a few things.

    1. Requiring actual ID verification and/or face scans is bad and cannot be effectively anonymized.
    2. That many of the current bills do not require ID verification or face scans. This includes the California one that the systemd merge request cites as well as the Colorado one that it mostly identical.
    3. The laws in their current form are poorly written and clearly misunderstand how modern general purpose computers work and are referred to.

    Given that, I think we can ultimately agree that the NY, UK, Germany, and I think also the Brazil laws are bad and cannot be fixed with simple updates to language.

    So let’s focus on the law’s that do not require actual verification since that is what the systemd change cites.

    What issues do you have outside of that they are poorly written and ineffective or that they are a slippery slope/frog in a pot/tip of the spear?

    This is not about my comfort this is about what these laws actually require rather than some imaginary law that has not even been written yet.

    I figured that someone might latch onto that “necessarily” and that’s the great thing about open-source. If that distro/application/os does misuse your data then don’t use it or fork it.


  • However… ive read the associated analysis of the California bill that reads directly on legislative intent:

    quoting he Cali Senate Judiciary Committee analysis : file:///home/jspaleta/Downloads/202520260AB1043_Senate%20Judiciary.pdf

    Why are we listening to a person who tried to link a file directly from their downloads folder?

    Also the original post that the article is referencing on the fedora forums is suggesting that we remove all networking support from baseline linux as some way to comply/circumvent the law.

    I’m sorry, but I just can’t take anything said in that forum post seriously.


  • Sure I can chime in here.

    You did actually read the post correct? Not just the title? The original poster, Jef, is talking about implementing a Unix socket or a dbus protocol similar to what apple already has. They are literally just referencing their definition for a struct.

    So no this will not be ID verification, it won’t ask for face scans, and it won’t necessarily send the data anywhere.

    The article is just using the big A word as some boogeyman to generate clicks and further rile up the community.

    The systemd change is benign and this is not proof of your slippery slope theory.

    Edit: I swear literacy rates in the linux community must be dropping.




  • Usually when I need to do something like this I use python and BeautifulSoup4. You basically get the content of the web page and use bs4 to parse it and pull out the correct link. You will need to look at the source of the page to understand their page format.

    If python requests isn’t able to get the right data then you might need to use selenium to use a full web browser to render the page and run any Javascript that might populate the page. Then you send that page content to bs4.

    Edit: I know someone posted a link to archive but I figured some instructions would also be useful.


  • I’m not sure that I would recommend a newer user use sysrq. It is a very powerful tool that you definitely should not be blindly following from a random internet post without knowing what each command does.

    In a truly frozen system then it can be good, but only as a final last resort. If the system can be unfrozen by other methods then that should be preferred instead.