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I guess I’m one of “them” who believe in the actual and no further.
Do you believe money is just worthless paper?
Money is a social construct, but it has real measurable effects. You can physically go into a real-life shop and exchange it for tangible goods. Others can believe what they want, but I agree with the above commenter that the real is all there is.
Ah, so you believe social constructs can have physical effects on the world!
That’s not the gotcha you think it is. Spiritual woo and real-life social constructs are two totally different things.
Yes, but you would agree that the gods are social constructs? And that in the same way that money affects the world, the gods affect the world. Deus ordered the Crusaders to ransack the Holy Land, for example. Now, you can say it was just the followers deciding on all of this, and the social construct of Deus had no agency. But the same is equally true of money, so Deus is as real as money is. Of course, I use Deus as an example of a well known god for convenience, I am no Christian.
The Pope ordered the crusades, not a deity. In the same way, organized religions are social constructs, not the characters they’re based on. I don’t think anyone would argue that religions aren’t real, it’s just that the claims they make are untrue.
That’s a double standard. Money is to gods as capitalism is to religion. You said money is real, you didn’t specify that money is fake and only capitalism is real. But now you’re saying gods are fake and only religions are real. You said money has effects on the world despite being a mere idea, but now you’re saying Deus can’t have effects on the world because She’s a mere idea.
Your beliefs aren’t consistent, you didn’t think this all the way through. Fortunately, My goal with this gotcha is to encourage you towards deeper reflection, not to dismiss you. I will be satisfied with your logical consistency if you either say that money isn’t real, or that gods are real.
No. Rules based on gods are social constructs.
The gods themselves were never constructed and do not exist.
Deus is not as real as money is. I can touch money, I can exchange money for goods and services.
I cannot touch or interact with Deus, only the rules it’s devotees impose on me.You can’t touch money. You can touch a physical representation of money. Bills and coins are as much money as a wooden statuette of a man being crucified is Jesus. You can’t touch the numbers in your bank account.
this feels a bit petersonian, i bet “spiritual” is basically everything, therefore life is spiritual
what does it mean?It’s not that deep, it’s just a meme
Replace spiritual with poetic perhaps?
It describes the feelings associated with spiritualism and doesn’t conjure up all the luggage that the word spirituality has. Edit: that some may have.
