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Cake day: July 10th, 2023

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  • The major flaw in this argument is that the size increase of clothing is compared between 1995 and 2021.

    If you look at the distributions comparing women’s sizes between the ages of 15 and under, 20-30 years, and 30+ years old, you’ll notice that women naturally gain weight as they age.

    At the same time, the market share of fast fashion has grown by over $100 billion in this time span. Currently, women in the 30+ cohort have the most purchasing power. This means that older women are able to buy more clothes, and older women tend to weigh more.

    Clothing sizes for women are not standardized like they are for men. You don’t get to walk in and pick a 33x34 and leave. Women have to try a spread of 3-5 sizes, because every company has its own size, and women’s waistlines can vary up to 5"+ because frequently bloat due to periods. Add in the fact that women’s waist lines naturally slowly go up as they age, and you get the impossible task of knowing exactly what your size is when everything is conspiring to make is as difficult as possible.

    The first comment assumes that women are choosing smaller sizes out of vanity, when in reality it’s because it’s impossible to know what your size is due to non-standard sizing and the fact that you need to estimate how your fit will be when you’re not bloating, and your size on an average day creeps up as you age.

    Companies are quietly taking advantage of this because a woman will not suspect much if she wore a size 8 in her 20s and wore a size 10 in her 30s, when the reality is that her size 10 is actually a size 12 by former standards.


  • You didn’t read the article and directly went to blaming women for being fat and vain when it’s always been about maximizing profits at the expense of women’s comfort.

    The same phenomenon exists in the bra industry, where women are binned into a narrow distribution of ill-fitting sizes. Bras are a medical necessity for many women and poorly fitted ones often contribute to back pain, sores, inflammation, aggravates HS, and more. Yet scummy companies like Victoria’s secret have pushed as many customers into 36C as they can to cut manuf costs.






  • Let me introduce you to the concept of chronic illness and pain.

    Chronically ill people are in the same boat. Doctors won’t believe them because their symptoms cannot be measured. Friends alienate them because they don’t have the spoons to live up to expectations. Family keeps telling them to just think positive thoughts. Everyone tells them they are sick because they aren’t exercising and dieting enough.

    All while you are in perpetual pain, nausea, fatigue, and overstimulation from so many new ways you learn your body can suffer.


  • I wholly agree that beyond just sustainability, the reduction of suffering for animals is in the heart of veganism.

    That being said, it’s not the most effective argument to sway us meat eaters. When people think of animal suffering, it brings shame and guilt and makes some people defensive. This is why some people hate vegans, because it’s a reflection of their own inadequacies. They revel at finding proselytizing vegans to pull apart because it lets them tell the world ‘See? This is what all vegans are like. I’m not like that and therefore I am a good person.’

    Self-interest is the easiest way to goad people into thinking about veganism without hurting any egos. If you rephrase veganism as a matter of self-preservation and not a moral issue, people are more open to that.

    It’s much easier to make the world eat 10% less meat than make 10% of everyone a vegan. Veganism for all isn’t the answer yet, because human incentives don’t work that way. Instead of promoting veganism, it’s much more achievable to ask people to do things like meatless Mondays.